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On September 10 2015 04:24 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:23 Yorkie wrote:On September 10 2015 04:22 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:
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Well I mean
ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist
MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist
Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players.
Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era
A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin
ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Let's see if JA is going to improve JD next year. That was supposed to be this year lmao idk if it's gonna happen now I don't think anyone knew that Amazon was going to buy EG...
True, but I don't know if JD is still interested in the move at this point
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On September 10 2015 04:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:21 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:
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yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Rain still won GSL though, that's not skill went down That's the thing, he was a better player in terms of pure skill when he was on SKT. But since then he's learned that skill isn't all.
Took him 3 years to realize what Mvp was teaching him all along.
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On September 10 2015 04:23 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:22 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:
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yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Let's see if JA is going to improve JD next year. That was supposed to be this year lmao idk if it's gonna happen now
EG will want to have Jaedong for the increased attention that LotV will bring, even if he doesn't get results he can stream, and his matches will always be on the main stream in the early stages of LANs.
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On September 10 2015 04:25 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:24 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:23 Yorkie wrote:On September 10 2015 04:22 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:
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honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled
and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Let's see if JA is going to improve JD next year. That was supposed to be this year lmao idk if it's gonna happen now I don't think anyone knew that Amazon was going to buy EG... True, but I don't know if JD is still interested in the move at this point
#believe
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Elazer won a game off Polt? o.o
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On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:
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INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level.
I fail a bit to understand your reasoning here. How did Khan improve Solar (assuming we're talking about the period since ByuL joined CJ) or JAGW improved Cure, or KT improve TY, but CJ didn't improve herO, who won his first KR Premier this year and went one map away from GSL finals, or Ragnarok, semi-retired player who did Code S Ro32 (don't remember if it's during S2 or this season), or sKyHigh, who saw improved results, or Bbyong, who never knew individual success like that?
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Austria24417 Posts
Polt studies bio-tech?
That is absurdly fitting
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Twitch giving me problems
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double factory from Polt!?!?
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On September 10 2015 04:27 sharkie wrote:
Elazer won a game off Polt? o.o
He didnt attack when he was far ahead, died to runbys and mutas due to map layout
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On September 10 2015 04:26 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:25 Yorkie wrote:On September 10 2015 04:24 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:23 Yorkie wrote:On September 10 2015 04:22 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:
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Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Let's see if JA is going to improve JD next year. That was supposed to be this year lmao idk if it's gonna happen now I don't think anyone knew that Amazon was going to buy EG... True, but I don't know if JD is still interested in the move at this point #believe
He'd struggle to qualify for GSL/SSL and is still worse than Maru/sOs/Cure/Trap/Rogue. Would still probably get fielded in prologue a lot much like how Flash gets fielded over TY
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On September 10 2015 04:27 sharkie wrote:
Elazer won a game off Polt? o.o
counterattackhead
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On September 10 2015 04:27 NeThZOR wrote:
Twitch giving me problems
Same here. just refresh, worked for me
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On September 10 2015 04:27 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
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Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. I fail a bit to understand your reasoning here. How did Khan improve Solar (assuming we're talking about the period since ByuL joined CJ) or JAGW improved Cure, or KT improve TY, but CJ didn't improve herO, who won his first KR Premier this year and went one map away from GSL finals, or Ragnarok, semi-retired player who did Code S Ro32 (don't remember if it's during S2 or this season), or sKyHigh, who saw improved results, or Bbyong, who never knew individual success like that?
Ragnarok was never semi retired, he just did not want a team, he was still practicing on his own.
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On September 10 2015 04:22 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
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Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ. I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up. Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo." They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno. JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap. Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar. KT improved Stats and TY. Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ. Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level. Let's see if JA is going to improve JD next year.
You already did that to us last year d:
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lol Polt's build is bonkers
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On September 10 2015 04:27 sharkie wrote:
Elazer won a game off Polt? o.o
More impressive than that is him beating Hydra.
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EPT
