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Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
September 04 2015 10:25 GMT
#121
On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling


really?

yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers


Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you.

"why would you even play macro vs (T)Maru... I think the only Way to beat (T)Maru is by alling"


Be Rain or Zest?


That works too ;P
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 04 2015 10:25 GMT
#122
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2015 10:25 GMT
#123
On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling


really?

yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers


Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you.

"why would you even play macro vs (T)Maru... I think the only Way to beat (T)Maru is by alling"


Be Rain or Zest?

Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Estancia
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 10:26:27
September 04 2015 10:25 GMT
#124
On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses...


No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc.

The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
September 04 2015 10:26 GMT
#125
The only reason why Terran can even play vs Protoss is the ability to drop, it's an assymetrical advantage, but not one which is imba however fucking frustrating it is to deal with goddamn drops
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
September 04 2015 10:26 GMT
#126
On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling


really?

yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers


Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you.

"why would you even play macro vs (T)Maru... I think the only Way to beat (T)Maru is by alling"


Be Rain or Zest?

Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.

......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style...
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
September 04 2015 10:27 GMT
#127
On September 04 2015 19:25 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi.

Yes coda is kinda good but its not enough, one double drop unspotted reks you anyway, hero defend perfectly until that double drop came unspotted...
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
September 04 2015 10:27 GMT
#128
On September 04 2015 19:25 Estancia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses...


No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc.

The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.

Zest... the guy who always resembles Rain, but never quite the same
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
September 04 2015 10:28 GMT
#129
On September 04 2015 19:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling


really?

yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers


Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you.

"why would you even play macro vs (T)Maru... I think the only Way to beat (T)Maru is by alling"


Be Rain or Zest?

Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.

......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style...

Whilst i agree with you, Bbyong did also lose 2-0 to sOs in GSL not like sOs is a bad player but i don't know. Seems strange how sOs can beat Bbyong 2-0 and then Rain lose to him so easily.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2015 10:28 GMT
#130
Go Classic! Don't fall to $o$ shenanigans
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2015 10:29 GMT
#131
That cheerful flip was hilarious
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 04 2015 10:29 GMT
#132
On September 04 2015 19:27 MorDka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:25 deacon.frost wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi.

Yes coda is kinda good but its not enough, one double drop unspotted reks you anyway, hero defend perfectly until that double drop came unspotted...

An unscouted drop can kill you? That sounds like TvP. Or TvT. Or TvZ
Wow you actually describe any situation where an unscouted attack can do huge damage
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
September 04 2015 10:29 GMT
#133
On September 04 2015 19:25 Estancia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling

No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran.

you can't defend them...

Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses...


No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc.

The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.

I dont think Rain is that good tbh and parting does some weird alliny builds where he wins with his micro.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 10:30:57
September 04 2015 10:30 GMT
#134
On September 04 2015 19:28 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 19:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling


really?

yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers


Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you.

"why would you even play macro vs (T)Maru... I think the only Way to beat (T)Maru is by alling"


Be Rain or Zest?

Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.

......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style...

Whilst i agree with you, Bbyong did also lose 2-0 to sOs in GSL not like sOs is a bad player but i don't know. Seems strange how sOs can beat Bbyong 2-0 and then Rain lose to him so easily.

sOs is cheesy... and crazy, while Bbyong is quite crazy himself, craziness is basically sOs's middle name, so sOs counters Bbyong's playstyle by BEING more crazy himself.
Rain just macro's up and let's Bbyong go to his crazy stage and then Bbyong got a better feel of the game.
Also, Rain was sleepy
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2015 10:30 GMT
#135
The Maka Pylon returns
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
September 04 2015 10:32 GMT
#136
phoenix wars?
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2015 10:33 GMT
#137
I hate phoenix wars. Makes so many build paths less viable for the one opting for less phoenix
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 10:33:43
September 04 2015 10:33 GMT
#138
classic is le dead
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 04 2015 10:34 GMT
#139
So what do you do in Classics situation? Try catch up in phoenixes?
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 10:35:26
September 04 2015 10:34 GMT
#140
2nd stargate? Classic is SOOO dead
Edit: 3rd SG on the way
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