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On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling really? yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you. "why would you even play macro vs  Maru... I think the only Way to beat Maru is by alling" Be Rain or Zest?
That works too ;P
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On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them...
Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi.
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On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling really? yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you. "why would you even play macro vs Maru... I think the only Way to beat Maru is by alling" Be Rain or Zest?
Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.
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On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them... Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses...
No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc.
The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.
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The only reason why Terran can even play vs Protoss is the ability to drop, it's an assymetrical advantage, but not one which is imba however fucking frustrating it is to deal with goddamn drops
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On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling really? yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you. "why would you even play macro vs Maru... I think the only Way to beat Maru is by alling" Be Rain or Zest? Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore.
......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style...
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On September 04 2015 19:25 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them... Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi.
Yes coda is kinda good but its not enough, one double drop unspotted reks you anyway, hero defend perfectly until that double drop came unspotted...
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On September 04 2015 19:25 Estancia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them... Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses... No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc. The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.
Zest... the guy who always resembles Rain, but never quite the same
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Pandemona
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On September 04 2015 19:26 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling really? yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you. "why would you even play macro vs Maru... I think the only Way to beat Maru is by alling" Be Rain or Zest? Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore. ......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style...
Whilst i agree with you, Bbyong did also lose 2-0 to sOs in GSL not like sOs is a bad player but i don't know. Seems strange how sOs can beat Bbyong 2-0 and then Rain lose to him so easily.
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Go Classic! Don't fall to $o$ shenanigans
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That cheerful flip was hilarious
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On September 04 2015 19:27 MorDka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:25 deacon.frost wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them... Certainly you can. Coda is good map for turtling Protoss. No dead air space on the edges, you don't need that much observers. If you delay your upgrades a little and save chrono for observers, you are fine and you see every drop miles ahead. Also herO opened with a SG, he could go into phoenix colossi. Yes coda is kinda good but its not enough, one double drop unspotted reks you anyway, hero defend perfectly until that double drop came unspotted...
An unscouted drop can kill you? That sounds like TvP. Or TvT. Or TvZ
Wow you actually describe any situation where an unscouted attack can do huge damage
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On September 04 2015 19:25 Estancia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:24 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:22 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only way to beat top terrans is by alling No way. Protoss late game is favoured if you know how to defend all of your bases and keep yourself from falling to multi-pronged attacks. Both styles can work vs Terran. you can't defend them... Of course you can. Maru's attacks ripped herO apart, it's just that simple. Other tosses may have defended but it just was not the case for herO. He does not represent every toss out there[/In my opinion he has the best macro pvt out of every protoss but he still loses... No the best protoss in PvT would be Parting, but that's not because of his defence but his overall PvT game sense, knowing when to attack, defend, cheese, all-in, etc. The protoss with best defence in PvT would be probably Rain.
I dont think Rain is that good tbh and parting does some weird alliny builds where he wins with his micro.
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On September 04 2015 19:28 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:26 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 04 2015 19:25 NeThZOR wrote:On September 04 2015 19:24 MiniFotToss wrote:On September 04 2015 19:23 Vedeynevin wrote:On September 04 2015 19:20 MorDka wrote:On September 04 2015 19:19 Heartland wrote:On September 04 2015 19:18 MorDka wrote:
why would you even play macro vs terran... I think the only Way to beat Top terrans is by alling really? yes really i feel like Protoss needs maphack to Defend these kind of drops or a ring of observers Oh I see the confusion, let me fix this for you. "why would you even play macro vs Maru... I think the only Way to beat Maru is by alling" Be Rain or Zest? Rain lost to Byyong so I'm not too sure about Rain's ability anymore. ......he lost 1 series lol, come on, it's not like he lost to all terran opponents in a month, also Bbyong was going a mad style... Whilst i agree with you, Bbyong did also lose 2-0 to sOs in GSL not like sOs is a bad player but i don't know. Seems strange how sOs can beat Bbyong 2-0 and then Rain lose to him so easily.
sOs is cheesy... and crazy, while Bbyong is quite crazy himself, craziness is basically sOs's middle name, so sOs counters Bbyong's playstyle by BEING more crazy himself.
Rain just macro's up and let's Bbyong go to his crazy stage and then Bbyong got a better feel of the game.
Also, Rain was sleepy
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I hate phoenix wars. Makes so many build paths less viable for the one opting for less phoenix
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So what do you do in Classics situation? Try catch up in phoenixes?
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2nd stargate? Classic is SOOO dead
Edit: 3rd SG on the way
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EPT
