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On August 20 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:56 GumBa wrote: This is the 2nd bo5 where INno threw game 5 vs ByuL this year btw. Little fun fact. Please, g5 of the last Bo5 on EL wasn't a throw but pure tactical genius by ByuL. Taking a bait and losing isn't throwing, it's losing to your opponent.
0 armor in a 50 min game into losing bcs to hydras is clearly a throw
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On August 20 2015 22:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:54 GumBa wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 GumBa wrote: I hope people realise INno gifted that game incredibly fucking hard lmao. Typical shit. he did, wonder what went wrong there At this point I expect it. Rain does this as well, it's weird. Dunno what's weird about some people cracking under pressure and some other people not cracking under pressure. It's how the world goes^^ Seemed more arrogance and or laziness in that game.
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On August 20 2015 22:56 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:54 royalroadweed wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 Blargh wrote: Yeah no ravens, no armor upgrade. I didn't see Innovation winning that game after the big losses. He had a really solid lead for much of that game, but he really never did anything with it. He also could have won pretty easily with +3 armor and keeping at least a COUPLE ravens.
But this is the Innovation way. He had 19 ravens. The he lost 17 of them to fg. Exactly. Obviously that was the biggest turning point for the game, but I still think Innovation would have been fine if he worked towards 3 armor and remade 4-5 ravens (or more?) PDD and seeker are really strong.
I don't even think he needed Ravens. 3 armor would have been enough, imo. I mean, he lost a lot throughout the game because the Hydras did just way more dmg than they're supposed to do against mech, simply because the mech army was insanely fragile due to the missing armor upgrades. And the last few games showed that Ravens aren't really necessary in such a comp.
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On August 20 2015 22:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:54 GumBa wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 GumBa wrote: I hope people realise INno gifted that game incredibly fucking hard lmao. Typical shit. he did, wonder what went wrong there At this point I expect it. Rain does this as well, it's weird. Dunno what's weird about some people cracking under pressure and some other people not cracking under pressure. It's how the world goes^^ I guess, but these two have weird timings for their "crackings". Out of the blue and not necessarily when pressure is highest.
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On August 20 2015 22:58 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:On August 20 2015 22:56 GumBa wrote: This is the 2nd bo5 where INno threw game 5 vs ByuL this year btw. Little fun fact. Please, g5 of the last Bo5 on EL wasn't a throw but pure tactical genius by ByuL. Taking a bait and losing isn't throwing, it's losing to your opponent. 0 armor in a 50 min game into losing bcs to hydras is clearly a throw Yeah because that's clearly the game I'm talking about, please reread -.-"
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On August 20 2015 22:58 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:57 OtherWorld wrote:On August 20 2015 22:56 GumBa wrote: This is the 2nd bo5 where INno threw game 5 vs ByuL this year btw. Little fun fact. Please, g5 of the last Bo5 on EL wasn't a throw but pure tactical genius by ByuL. Taking a bait and losing isn't throwing, it's losing to your opponent. 0 armor in a 50 min game into losing bcs to hydras is clearly a throw He is talking about where INno held the hatch spine backdoor rush. Then moved out with his tanks lol.
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I don't understand the last game at all. It seemed completely won for Innovation, it almost felt like he stopped trying hard and just knew he will kill him anyway ... and then it went to complete shit. The most surprising thing was that ByuL did not really change his style that much, he did basically what failed the previous game.
Guess we can say that ultra-hydra-corruptor is a good counter to 0-3 mech ...
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On August 20 2015 22:59 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:56 OtherWorld wrote:On August 20 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:54 GumBa wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 GumBa wrote: I hope people realise INno gifted that game incredibly fucking hard lmao. Typical shit. he did, wonder what went wrong there At this point I expect it. Rain does this as well, it's weird. Dunno what's weird about some people cracking under pressure and some other people not cracking under pressure. It's how the world goes^^ Seemed more arrogance and or laziness in that game. Yes, that's true too. But I think knowing he had lost to ByuL previously has something to do with it too.
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Innovation is going to be really sad when somebody tells him he was on 3-0 upgrades. Really happy for Byul to win against cancermech.
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On August 20 2015 23:00 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:59 GumBa wrote:On August 20 2015 22:56 OtherWorld wrote:On August 20 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:54 GumBa wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 Penev wrote:On August 20 2015 22:53 GumBa wrote: I hope people realise INno gifted that game incredibly fucking hard lmao. Typical shit. he did, wonder what went wrong there At this point I expect it. Rain does this as well, it's weird. Dunno what's weird about some people cracking under pressure and some other people not cracking under pressure. It's how the world goes^^ Seemed more arrogance and or laziness in that game. Yes, that's true too. But I think knowing he had lost to ByuL previously has something to do with it too. I didnt see it at all. It was pure "I'm so far ahead I dont care" into throwing imo-
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Honestly TvZ mech is extremely boring. I know a lot of people have said this already... but I haven't yet .
I think given the trends (mech OP) and TY's preparation he will take Byul out. If Byul gets him to a match point Byul probably takes it though since TY will do some proxy build and fail (imo.)
Overall I think TY gets to the finals and would like to see some crazy bio drop or map abuse at least once or twice in the series. GL TY!
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So is that what the TvZ meta has become recently?
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On August 20 2015 23:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote: So is that what the TvZ meta has become recently? Pretty much, yes
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On August 20 2015 23:01 RaFox17 wrote: Innovation is going to be really sad when somebody tells him he was on 3-0 upgrades. Really happy for Byul to win against cancermech.
He definitely realized that during the last fight. It was really obvious there. Dunno when he realized it though. I think he could have won the game quite far into the game if he started the upgrades at any time. So I guess he must have found out quite late that there were no upgrades.
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