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(T)Dream < Echo LE > (P)Zest (T)INnoVation < Deadwing LE > (T)Flash (P)Classic < Cactus Valley LE > (Z)Life (Z)Dark < Vaani Research Station > (P)Stats
Zest, I guess... for ace. But want to see life or flash.
On June 02 2015 18:35 Heartland wrote: sometimes I wonder why people are kt fans but I guess it's the same reason why people voted for the nazis
sometimes I wonder why people are SKT fans but I guess it's the same reason why Constantine the Great decreed conversion to Christianity in the Roman Empire.
[SPL] SKT vs. KT Round 3 2015 Dream vs. Zest Game 1: 0-0 Map: Echo
0:00 Dream spawns in the top left Zest spawns in the bottom right
1:00 gateway first for Zest Zest sending out a scouting probe
2:00 gas for Zest CC first on the low ground for Dream pylon at the natural ramp for Zest Zest scouts the building CC and starts harassing with his scouting probe rax for Dream Dream pulls 2 more scvs to work on his CC and chase the harassing probe gas for Dream
3:00 Nexus for Zest Cybernetics core for Zest Zest nearly kills an scv with his scouting probe but Dream repairs it scouting probe is killed by scvs marines started for Dream 2nd gas for Zest bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 stalker for Zest factory for Dream
5:00 MSC for Zest 2nd gas for Dream 3rd gas for Zest Twilight council for Zest Starport for Dream mine production started for Dream reactor on the rax of Dream building ebay for Dream
[SPL] SKT vs. KT Round 3 2015 Dream vs. Zest Game 1: 0-0 Map: Echo
0:00 Dream spawns in the top left Zest spawns in the bottom right
1:00 gateway first for Zest Zest sending out a scouting probe
2:00 gas for Zest CC first on the low ground for Dream pylon at the natural ramp for Zest Zest scouts the building CC and starts harassing with his scouting probe rax for Dream Dream pulls 2 more scvs to work on his CC and chase the harassing probe gas for Dream
3:00 Nexus for Zest Cybernetics core for Zest Zest nearly kills an scv with his scouting probe but Dream repairs it scouting probe is killed by scvs marines started for Dream 2nd gas for Zest bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 stalker for Zest factory for Dream
5:00 MSC for Zest 2nd gas for Dream 3rd gas for Zest Twilight council for Zest Starport for Dream mine production started for Dream reactor on the rax of Dream building ebay for Dream
6:00 blink research started for zest robo for Zest 2 more rax for Dream stalker out on the map scouting medivac started for Dream missile turrets going up in each mineral line for Dream 4th gas for Zest 2 more gates for Zest mines loaded up into medivac
7:00 53 vs 50 observer started for Zest Robo bay for Zest +1 attack started for Dream mine drop at the natural of Zest photon overcharge kills the medivac widow mines kill 1 probe each (2 kills)
8:00 59 vs 57 both widow mines are cleaned up combat shields for dream stim for Dream 2 more rax for Dream Marauder production started for Dream 3rd base for Zest
9:00 78 vs 75 Colossus production started for Zest Extended thermal lance research started for Zest concussive shells for Dream 3rd base started at location for Dream forge for Zest stalkers moving out on the map
10:00 97 vs 91 Dream loads up 3 medivacs but has to back off and unload when he scouts the stalkers moving across the map Zest taking gas at his 3rd !+1 armor started for Dream +1 armor started for Zest Zest breaking down the tower to block his 3rd base ramp
[SPL] SKT vs. KT Round 3 2015 Dream vs. Zest Game 1: 0-0 Map: Echo
0:00 Dream spawns in the top left Zest spawns in the bottom right
1:00 gateway first for Zest Zest sending out a scouting probe
2:00 gas for Zest CC first on the low ground for Dream pylon at the natural ramp for Zest Zest scouts the building CC and starts harassing with his scouting probe rax for Dream Dream pulls 2 more scvs to work on his CC and chase the harassing probe gas for Dream
3:00 Nexus for Zest Cybernetics core for Zest Zest nearly kills an scv with his scouting probe but Dream repairs it scouting probe is killed by scvs marines started for Dream 2nd gas for Zest bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 stalker for Zest factory for Dream
5:00 MSC for Zest 2nd gas for Dream 3rd gas for Zest Twilight council for Zest Starport for Dream mine production started for Dream reactor on the rax of Dream building ebay for Dream
6:00 blink research started for zest robo for Zest 2 more rax for Dream stalker out on the map scouting medivac started for Dream missile turrets going up in each mineral line for Dream 4th gas for Zest 2 more gates for Zest mines loaded up into medivac
7:00 53 vs 50 observer started for Zest Robo bay for Zest +1 attack started for Dream mine drop at the natural of Zest photon overcharge kills the medivac widow mines kill 1 probe each (2 kills)
8:00 59 vs 57 both widow mines are cleaned up combat shields for dream stim for Dream 2 more rax for Dream Marauder production started for Dream 3rd base for Zest
9:00 78 vs 75 Colossus production started for Zest Extended thermal lance research started for Zest concussive shells for Dream 3rd base started at location for Dream forge for Zest stalkers moving out on the map
10:00 97 vs 91 Dream loads up 3 medivacs but has to back off and unload when he scouts the stalkers moving across the map Zest taking gas at his 3rd !+1 armor started for Dream +1 armor started for Zest Zest breaking down the tower to block his 3rd base ramp
11:00 131 vs 115 Dream destroys the 3rd ramp rocks at Zest's base Zest adding cannons at his bases Zest adding 3 more gates
12:00 153 vs 115 Dream forces a supply block on Zest killing a pylon Dream taking gas at his 3rd Dream stims some units and runs into Zest's natural Dream targets down the natural nexus and boosts out in medivacs
13:00 169 vs 135 charge research for Zest +1 attack for Zest 2nd starport for Dream viking production started for Dream templar archives for Zest armory finally finishes for Dream +2 attack started for Dream
14:00 190 vs 150 +2 armor started for Dream Zest has 4 colossi storm research started for Zest 2 more rax for Dream Dream pressuring Zest's 3rd while trying to drop the natural units at the 3rd are easily defended and 1 medivac in the natural is killed off before Dream retreats ghost academy for Dream
15:00 185 vs 166 +1 vehicle weapons for Dream 2nd forge for Zest dark shrine for Zest 2 more gates for Zest ghost production started for Dream
[SPL] SKT vs. KT Round 3 2015 Dream vs. Zest Game 1: 0-0 Map: Echo
0:00 Dream spawns in the top left Zest spawns in the bottom right
1:00 gateway first for Zest Zest sending out a scouting probe
2:00 gas for Zest CC first on the low ground for Dream pylon at the natural ramp for Zest Zest scouts the building CC and starts harassing with his scouting probe rax for Dream Dream pulls 2 more scvs to work on his CC and chase the harassing probe gas for Dream
3:00 Nexus for Zest Cybernetics core for Zest Zest nearly kills an scv with his scouting probe but Dream repairs it scouting probe is killed by scvs marines started for Dream 2nd gas for Zest bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 stalker for Zest factory for Dream
5:00 MSC for Zest 2nd gas for Dream 3rd gas for Zest Twilight council for Zest Starport for Dream mine production started for Dream reactor on the rax of Dream building ebay for Dream
6:00 blink research started for zest robo for Zest 2 more rax for Dream stalker out on the map scouting medivac started for Dream missile turrets going up in each mineral line for Dream 4th gas for Zest 2 more gates for Zest mines loaded up into medivac
7:00 53 vs 50 observer started for Zest Robo bay for Zest +1 attack started for Dream mine drop at the natural of Zest photon overcharge kills the medivac widow mines kill 1 probe each (2 kills)
8:00 59 vs 57 both widow mines are cleaned up combat shields for dream stim for Dream 2 more rax for Dream Marauder production started for Dream 3rd base for Zest
9:00 78 vs 75 Colossus production started for Zest Extended thermal lance research started for Zest concussive shells for Dream 3rd base started at location for Dream forge for Zest stalkers moving out on the map
10:00 97 vs 91 Dream loads up 3 medivacs but has to back off and unload when he scouts the stalkers moving across the map Zest taking gas at his 3rd !+1 armor started for Dream +1 armor started for Zest Zest breaking down the tower to block his 3rd base ramp
11:00 131 vs 115 Dream destroys the 3rd ramp rocks at Zest's base Zest adding cannons at his bases Zest adding 3 more gates
12:00 153 vs 115 Dream forces a supply block on Zest killing a pylon Dream taking gas at his 3rd Dream stims some units and runs into Zest's natural Dream targets down the natural nexus and boosts out in medivacs
13:00 169 vs 135 charge research for Zest +1 attack for Zest 2nd starport for Dream viking production started for Dream templar archives for Zest armory finally finishes for Dream +2 attack started for Dream
14:00 190 vs 150 +2 armor started for Dream Zest has 4 colossi storm research started for Zest 2 more rax for Dream Dream pressuring Zest's 3rd while trying to drop the natural units at the 3rd are easily defended and 1 medivac in the natural is killed off before Dream retreats ghost academy for Dream
15:00 185 vs 166 +1 vehicle weapons for Dream 2nd forge for Zest dark shrine for Zest 2 more gates for Zest ghost production started for Dream
16:00 200 vs 190 Dream has his army split with 1 group in the middle and 1 group in the north 2-2 started for Zest 4th base started for Dream 4th base started for Zest
17:00 198 vs 200 12 vikings and 3 ghosts vs 5 colossi and 5 templars 3-3 started for Dream 2 more rax for Dream engagement in the middle of the map Zest loses a colossus early and backs off Dream forces a cancel on the 4th of Zest
18:00 200 vs 181 Dream moves down the ramp and engages the army of Zest emp on the protoss army all the colossi are killed by vikings Dream lands his vikings Zest is pushed back to his 3rd 2nd robo for Zest Dream moves into the natural of Zest Zest ggs as his army falls! Dream wins map 1 for SKT!
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Great engagement in the end... But a little disappointed that I didn't even see how the EMPs landed Even with enhanced color it is still difficult to see
On June 02 2015 19:02 Yiome wrote: Great engagement in the end... But a little disappointed that I didn't even see how the EMPs landed Even with enhanced color it is still difficult to see
Clean shots on most of the Templar. Then sniped some others.
I always fail to understand why we don't see 2-3 ghosts regularly in TvP. 3 EMPs is a lot of "point of attack" damage to open a big engagement, but I can understand some of the issues.
On June 02 2015 19:10 Alucen-Will- wrote: If only Wolf was as passionate about understanding the game as he is about bashing Flash about measuring his chair height.
Wolf is just a proxy Artosis come all things terran
On June 02 2015 19:12 Elentos wrote: God they are clueless about TvT if they believe CC first is viable on any map...
CC first is a fairly reckless build. It's basically a build order loss to 2 rax reaper and super weak to any kind of reaper opener (which is very popular, particularly on a map like deadwing)
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
21:00 I 178 vs F 190 Innovation gets on the high ground behind Flash's 5th seeker missiles on more of INnovation's tanks PF finished at Flash's 5th Innovation losing more hellions but killing a couple of Flash's tanks both players making more ravens
22:00 I 164 vs F 191 +3 attack +2 armor started for Flash more CCs being made more factories being made 14 ravens vs 4 in favor of Flash 21 vikings vs 17 in favor of Flash Flash repairing his air units
23:00 I 193 vs F 194 more seeker missiles on tanks in the middle of the map corvid reactor for Innovation high sec auto tracking for Innovation air engagement briefly but both back off to avoid seeker missiles
24:00 I 200 vs F 197 more seeker missiles on Innovation's tanks Flash going up to 18 ravens Flash as 7 more tanks than Innovation now Innovation going for triple raven production now missile turrets in the middle of the map helping innovation
25:00 I 193 vs F 199 Innovation almost splashes his whole air army over a tank getting seeker missiled more tanks of Innovation falling Flash bankings 2k-1500 vs Inno's 700-100 Flash adding his own missile turrets in the middle Innovation takes his 6th base
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
21:00 I 178 vs F 190 Innovation gets on the high ground behind Flash's 5th seeker missiles on more of INnovation's tanks PF finished at Flash's 5th Innovation losing more hellions but killing a couple of Flash's tanks both players making more ravens
22:00 I 164 vs F 191 +3 attack +2 armor started for Flash more CCs being made more factories being made 14 ravens vs 4 in favor of Flash 21 vikings vs 17 in favor of Flash Flash repairing his air units
23:00 I 193 vs F 194 more seeker missiles on tanks in the middle of the map corvid reactor for Innovation high sec auto tracking for Innovation air engagement briefly but both back off to avoid seeker missiles
24:00 I 200 vs F 197 more seeker missiles on Innovation's tanks Flash going up to 18 ravens Flash as 7 more tanks than Innovation now Innovation going for triple raven production now missile turrets in the middle of the map helping innovation
25:00 I 193 vs F 199 Innovation almost splashes his whole air army over a tank getting seeker missiled more tanks of Innovation falling Flash bankings 2k-1500 vs Inno's 700-100 Flash adding his own missile turrets in the middle Innovation takes his 6th base
26:00 I 188 vs F 199 tanks still dying both air armies posturing scans everywhere Innovation adding 2 more thors
27:00 I 195 vs F 196 guess what's happening to tanks? seeker missiles Flash PDDs to avoid Innovation's air Flash takes his 6th +3 armor for Innovation +3 armor for Flash hellion runby from Innovation to the 4th of Flash is denied by tanks 2 hellions actually make it to the main but theres not much there Flash sacking scvs in the middle of the map
28:00 I 195 F 190 drilling claws for Innovation 3 more factories for Innovation Flash making more ravens going up to 25 Flash at 15 more army supply
29:00 I 199 vs F 200 Flash adding more CCs scans everywhere 2 sec air engagements and then backing off just hitting PDD and avoiding seekers Innovation loses a thor but it gets 1 shot off on Flash's air Innovation taking a 7th base
30:00 I 199 vs F 196 Flash repairing his air units another brief air engagement
31:00 I 163 vs F 164 Innovation pushing across the map Innovation has ground control all vikings are landed by both players seeker missiles from Flash all over the place auto turrets being dropped Innovation's push fizzles out
On June 02 2015 19:33 Alucen-Will- wrote: Funny how the decisive moment in this game came and it wasn't even mentioned by anyone on the lr thread or by any of the English commentators
The decisive moment was when flash started building ravens
On June 02 2015 19:33 Alucen-Will- wrote: Funny how the decisive moment in this game came and it wasn't even mentioned by anyone on the lr thread or by any of the English commentators
The decisive moment was when flash started building ravens
flash made his 2nd + 3rd starport about 2 minutes ahead of innovation's
On June 02 2015 19:33 Alucen-Will- wrote: Funny how the decisive moment in this game came and it wasn't even mentioned by anyone on the lr thread or by any of the English commentators
The decisive moment was when flash started building ravens
flash made his 2nd + 3rd starport about 2 minutes ahead of innovation's
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
21:00 I 178 vs F 190 Innovation gets on the high ground behind Flash's 5th seeker missiles on more of INnovation's tanks PF finished at Flash's 5th Innovation losing more hellions but killing a couple of Flash's tanks both players making more ravens
22:00 I 164 vs F 191 +3 attack +2 armor started for Flash more CCs being made more factories being made 14 ravens vs 4 in favor of Flash 21 vikings vs 17 in favor of Flash Flash repairing his air units
23:00 I 193 vs F 194 more seeker missiles on tanks in the middle of the map corvid reactor for Innovation high sec auto tracking for Innovation air engagement briefly but both back off to avoid seeker missiles
24:00 I 200 vs F 197 more seeker missiles on Innovation's tanks Flash going up to 18 ravens Flash as 7 more tanks than Innovation now Innovation going for triple raven production now missile turrets in the middle of the map helping innovation
25:00 I 193 vs F 199 Innovation almost splashes his whole air army over a tank getting seeker missiled more tanks of Innovation falling Flash bankings 2k-1500 vs Inno's 700-100 Flash adding his own missile turrets in the middle Innovation takes his 6th base
26:00 I 188 vs F 199 tanks still dying both air armies posturing scans everywhere Innovation adding 2 more thors
27:00 I 195 vs F 196 guess what's happening to tanks? seeker missiles Flash PDDs to avoid Innovation's air Flash takes his 6th +3 armor for Innovation +3 armor for Flash hellion runby from Innovation to the 4th of Flash is denied by tanks 2 hellions actually make it to the main but theres not much there Flash sacking scvs in the middle of the map
28:00 I 195 F 190 drilling claws for Innovation 3 more factories for Innovation Flash making more ravens going up to 25 Flash at 15 more army supply
29:00 I 199 vs F 200 Flash adding more CCs scans everywhere 2 sec air engagements and then backing off just hitting PDD and avoiding seekers Innovation loses a thor but it gets 1 shot off on Flash's air Innovation taking a 7th base
30:00 I 199 vs F 196 Flash repairing his air units another brief air engagement
31:00 I 163 vs F 164 Innovation pushing across the map Innovation has ground control all vikings are landed by both players seeker missiles from Flash all over the place auto turrets being dropped Innovation's push fizzles out
32:00 I 132 vs F 165 Flash counterattacking with his landed viking force he decides not to push into Innovation's newly spawning siege tanks 3 more thors for Innovation Innovation making some vikings a tank sieging Flash's 5th base mineral line Flash has used most of his mineral bank hellions harassing the 6th of Flash Flash takes a 7th base Innovation has no air units vs 25 vikings and 15 ravens tank count is even at 10
33:00 I 170 vs F 191 seeker missiles on some of Innovation's tanks Innovation sending a small ground army to kill Flash's 5th Flash lands his vikings and pushes towards Innovation's3rd Flash moves up the ramp to the 3rd Flash defending back home with seeker missiles
34:00 I 170 vs F 170 Flash dropping auto turrets in Flash's naturla Flash killing off the 3rd of Innovation Flash loses a ton of ravens to flanking thors Innovation sieging up Flash's 4th Flash making banshees Innovation making banshees and cloak
35:00 I 117 vs F 120 Flash rallying more units across the map Flash still has 6 ravens to seeker missile stuff unsieged tank engagement banshees joint he fight Flash lifts his vikings and kills them Flash's banshees arrive and Inno has no anti air
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
21:00 I 178 vs F 190 Innovation gets on the high ground behind Flash's 5th seeker missiles on more of INnovation's tanks PF finished at Flash's 5th Innovation losing more hellions but killing a couple of Flash's tanks both players making more ravens
22:00 I 164 vs F 191 +3 attack +2 armor started for Flash more CCs being made more factories being made 14 ravens vs 4 in favor of Flash 21 vikings vs 17 in favor of Flash Flash repairing his air units
23:00 I 193 vs F 194 more seeker missiles on tanks in the middle of the map corvid reactor for Innovation high sec auto tracking for Innovation air engagement briefly but both back off to avoid seeker missiles
24:00 I 200 vs F 197 more seeker missiles on Innovation's tanks Flash going up to 18 ravens Flash as 7 more tanks than Innovation now Innovation going for triple raven production now missile turrets in the middle of the map helping innovation
25:00 I 193 vs F 199 Innovation almost splashes his whole air army over a tank getting seeker missiled more tanks of Innovation falling Flash bankings 2k-1500 vs Inno's 700-100 Flash adding his own missile turrets in the middle Innovation takes his 6th base
26:00 I 188 vs F 199 tanks still dying both air armies posturing scans everywhere Innovation adding 2 more thors
27:00 I 195 vs F 196 guess what's happening to tanks? seeker missiles Flash PDDs to avoid Innovation's air Flash takes his 6th +3 armor for Innovation +3 armor for Flash hellion runby from Innovation to the 4th of Flash is denied by tanks 2 hellions actually make it to the main but theres not much there Flash sacking scvs in the middle of the map
28:00 I 195 F 190 drilling claws for Innovation 3 more factories for Innovation Flash making more ravens going up to 25 Flash at 15 more army supply
29:00 I 199 vs F 200 Flash adding more CCs scans everywhere 2 sec air engagements and then backing off just hitting PDD and avoiding seekers Innovation loses a thor but it gets 1 shot off on Flash's air Innovation taking a 7th base
30:00 I 199 vs F 196 Flash repairing his air units another brief air engagement
31:00 I 163 vs F 164 Innovation pushing across the map Innovation has ground control all vikings are landed by both players seeker missiles from Flash all over the place auto turrets being dropped Innovation's push fizzles out
32:00 I 132 vs F 165 Flash counterattacking with his landed viking force he decides not to push into Innovation's newly spawning siege tanks 3 more thors for Innovation Innovation making some vikings a tank sieging Flash's 5th base mineral line Flash has used most of his mineral bank hellions harassing the 6th of Flash Flash takes a 7th base Innovation has no air units vs 25 vikings and 15 ravens tank count is even at 10
33:00 I 170 vs F 191 seeker missiles on some of Innovation's tanks Innovation sending a small ground army to kill Flash's 5th Flash lands his vikings and pushes towards Innovation's3rd Flash moves up the ramp to the 3rd Flash defending back home with seeker missiles
34:00 I 170 vs F 170 Flash dropping auto turrets in Flash's naturla Flash killing off the 3rd of Innovation Flash loses a ton of ravens to flanking thors Innovation sieging up Flash's 4th Flash making banshees Innovation making banshees and cloak
35:00 I 117 vs F 120 Flash rallying more units across the map Flash still has 6 ravens to seeker missile stuff unsieged tank engagement banshees joint he fight Flash lifts his vikings and kills them Flash's banshees arrive and Inno has no anti air
36:00 I 115 vs F 100 Flash killing some factories that Innovation built in the lower middle of the map siege tank harass at the 6th of Flash Flash harassing the 6th of Innovation with ravens and tanks Innovation sending hellions to the 4th of Flash
37:00 I 138 vs F 129 Flash loses all his scvs at his 4th Flash starting to make some more hellions
38:00 I 136 vs F 126 Flash down to 13 scvs Innovation has 44 scvs Innovation building 6 vikings at a time and taking the viking lead Flash still making some more ravens Innovation with a much better income FLash kills Innovation's 6th and 7th bases though Innovation lands an 8th base but hellbats are ahrassing it 20-11 innovation leads the viking count Innovation also has 3 thors in support Flash loses 3 ravens before the fight starts rallying tanks of Flash are killed
39:00 I 152 vs F 116 Innovation switching back to banshee production Innovation moving towards the mining base of Flash air engagement Innovation kiting back away from PDD
40:00 I 139 vs F 119 Innovation sending his tanks towards the main of Flash Flash has to lift a bunch of his macro OCs that are on fire Flash is able to hold the natural ramp Flash's bank is completely exhausted now Flash still has 7 ravens 3 banshees out for Innovation who still has the viking lead
0:00 INnoVation spawns in the bottom right Flash spawns in the top right
1:00 gas first for Flash rax first for INnoVation at the reaper ramp next to his depot rax for Flash gas for INnoVation
2:00 INnoVation sending a scouting scv out in the right direction Marine for INnoVation
3:00 Factory for Flash INnoVation scouts the factory timing reaper for Flash Factory for INnoVation 2nd gas for Flash 2nd gas for INnoVation
4:00 2nd reaper for Flash hellion started for Flash Starport for INnoVation tech lab for INnoVation Flash's first reaper is denied the scout by marines widow mine for INnoVation
5:00 widow mine for Flash viking for Flash as his starport finishes Raven started for INnoVation Flash scouts and sees the tech lab starport
6:00 low ground CC for Flash high ground CC for INnoVation 2nd factory for Flash reactored hellion production for INnoVation viking for INnoVation raven finishes for Flash
7:00 I 47 vs F 39 banshee for INnoVation 2nd factory for INnoVation scv count is even at 29 siege tank started for Flash double viking for Flash 3rd CC for Flash
8:00 I 59 vs F 51 Flash breaking down the rocks towards the 3rd base blue flame research for InnoVation triple hellion proudction for INnoVation
9:00 I 72 vs F 64 2 more gas for Flash medivac for INnoVation reactored hellion production for Flash
10:00 I 89 vs F 85 INnoVation upping his viking count with double viking proudction Flash scouts the blue flame banshee harassing the natural of Flash 3rd CC for INnoVation vikigns kill INnoVation's banshee after 5 scv kills viking raven battle between both players in Flash's main auto turrets dropped by INnoVation make Flash back off INnoVation lands his vikings in Flash's main
11:00 Flash pushes back the hellion attack at his natural and the vikings in his main Innovation is up by 2 workers viking engagement in the middle of the map
12:00 I 112 vs F 110 armory for Innovation Flash takes the gas at his 3rd +1 vehicle weapons for Flash as his armory finishes
13:00 I 131 vs F 128 factory for Flash Flash positions his tanks between his 3rd and the ramp towards his natural/potential 4th +1 vehicle weapons for INnoVation 4th base started for Flash both players adding more factories Flash adding 2 starports
14:00 I 153 vs F 145 ebay for Flash Flash repairs all his vikings both players have 11 vikings INnoVation moving across the map and holding the watchtower 4th base for INnoVation 2 ravens started for Flash in addition to his double viking production
15:00 I 173 vs F 162 sensor tower for Flash INnoVation adding missile turrets at his base 2nd armory for INnoVation +2 vehicle weapons for Flash Flash adding missile turrets and 2 CCs
16:00 I 192 vs F 172 viking engagement outside Flash's 3rd Innovation wins the air battle +2 vehicle weapons for Innovation +1 vehicle armor for Innovation Flash continuing to build his raven count Innovation moving towards Flash's 4th corvid reactor for Flash
17:00 I 195 vs F 158 Innovation leads in Viking count 7-5 Flash adding more starports Innovation sieging up behind Flash's 4th viking engagement but Flash has raven support so Innovation's air is forced back 2 more CCs for Innovation thor for Innovation
18:00 I 189 vs F 175 more missile turrets for Flash Flash has to remake his rax because it was killed by vikings 5th base started for Innovation on location 8 ravens for Flash on the map
19:00 I 199 vs F 189 +1 vehicle armor for Flash both players scanning each other a lot seeker missile on a few of Innovation's tanks killing 3 both players adding sensor towers 2nd armory for Flash
20:00 I 179 vs F 193 Flash throwing away hellbats to free up supply Flash lands his 5th base Innovation positions to siege up near Flash's 5th seeker missiles kill more of Innovation's tanks +3 vehicle weapons +2 armor for INnovation
21:00 I 178 vs F 190 Innovation gets on the high ground behind Flash's 5th seeker missiles on more of INnovation's tanks PF finished at Flash's 5th Innovation losing more hellions but killing a couple of Flash's tanks both players making more ravens
22:00 I 164 vs F 191 +3 attack +2 armor started for Flash more CCs being made more factories being made 14 ravens vs 4 in favor of Flash 21 vikings vs 17 in favor of Flash Flash repairing his air units
23:00 I 193 vs F 194 more seeker missiles on tanks in the middle of the map corvid reactor for Innovation high sec auto tracking for Innovation air engagement briefly but both back off to avoid seeker missiles
24:00 I 200 vs F 197 more seeker missiles on Innovation's tanks Flash going up to 18 ravens Flash as 7 more tanks than Innovation now Innovation going for triple raven production now missile turrets in the middle of the map helping innovation
25:00 I 193 vs F 199 Innovation almost splashes his whole air army over a tank getting seeker missiled more tanks of Innovation falling Flash bankings 2k-1500 vs Inno's 700-100 Flash adding his own missile turrets in the middle Innovation takes his 6th base
26:00 I 188 vs F 199 tanks still dying both air armies posturing scans everywhere Innovation adding 2 more thors
27:00 I 195 vs F 196 guess what's happening to tanks? seeker missiles Flash PDDs to avoid Innovation's air Flash takes his 6th +3 armor for Innovation +3 armor for Flash hellion runby from Innovation to the 4th of Flash is denied by tanks 2 hellions actually make it to the main but theres not much there Flash sacking scvs in the middle of the map
28:00 I 195 F 190 drilling claws for Innovation 3 more factories for Innovation Flash making more ravens going up to 25 Flash at 15 more army supply
29:00 I 199 vs F 200 Flash adding more CCs scans everywhere 2 sec air engagements and then backing off just hitting PDD and avoiding seekers Innovation loses a thor but it gets 1 shot off on Flash's air Innovation taking a 7th base
30:00 I 199 vs F 196 Flash repairing his air units another brief air engagement
31:00 I 163 vs F 164 Innovation pushing across the map Innovation has ground control all vikings are landed by both players seeker missiles from Flash all over the place auto turrets being dropped Innovation's push fizzles out
32:00 I 132 vs F 165 Flash counterattacking with his landed viking force he decides not to push into Innovation's newly spawning siege tanks 3 more thors for Innovation Innovation making some vikings a tank sieging Flash's 5th base mineral line Flash has used most of his mineral bank hellions harassing the 6th of Flash Flash takes a 7th base Innovation has no air units vs 25 vikings and 15 ravens tank count is even at 10
33:00 I 170 vs F 191 seeker missiles on some of Innovation's tanks Innovation sending a small ground army to kill Flash's 5th Flash lands his vikings and pushes towards Innovation's3rd Flash moves up the ramp to the 3rd Flash defending back home with seeker missiles
34:00 I 170 vs F 170 Flash dropping auto turrets in Flash's naturla Flash killing off the 3rd of Innovation Flash loses a ton of ravens to flanking thors Innovation sieging up Flash's 4th Flash making banshees Innovation making banshees and cloak
35:00 I 117 vs F 120 Flash rallying more units across the map Flash still has 6 ravens to seeker missile stuff unsieged tank engagement banshees joint he fight Flash lifts his vikings and kills them Flash's banshees arrive and Inno has no anti air
36:00 I 115 vs F 100 Flash killing some factories that Innovation built in the lower middle of the map siege tank harass at the 6th of Flash Flash harassing the 6th of Innovation with ravens and tanks Innovation sending hellions to the 4th of Flash
37:00 I 138 vs F 129 Flash loses all his scvs at his 4th Flash starting to make some more hellions
38:00 I 136 vs F 126 Flash down to 13 scvs Innovation has 44 scvs Innovation building 6 vikings at a time and taking the viking lead Flash still making some more ravens Innovation with a much better income FLash kills Innovation's 6th and 7th bases though Innovation lands an 8th base but hellbats are ahrassing it 20-11 innovation leads the viking count Innovation also has 3 thors in support Flash loses 3 ravens before the fight starts rallying tanks of Flash are killed
39:00 I 152 vs F 116 Innovation switching back to banshee production Innovation moving towards the mining base of Flash air engagement Innovation kiting back away from PDD
40:00 I 139 vs F 119 Innovation sending his tanks towards the main of Flash Flash has to lift a bunch of his macro OCs that are on fire Flash is able to hold the natural ramp Flash's bank is completely exhausted now Flash still has 7 ravens 3 banshees out for Innovation who still has the viking lead
41:00 I 141 vs F 98 Innovation attacking the mining base of Flash with his whole army Flash queueing up seeker missiles flash's army is falling
42:00 I 117 vs F 60 Innovation sending a few tanks towards Flash's production Flash is forced to gg! INnoVation wins game 2 giving SKT a 2-0 lead!
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Really good game, but some incredible misteps by flash in the mid-late game. You could tell he was really upset at the end. Even tho I am SKT 4 lief must be really hard on flash after so long having stuff like that happen in TvT D; poor guy
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On June 02 2015 19:40 HolydaKing wrote: Flash will only lose this because Innovation was macroing way better, Flash had like 2 expansions less.
duh?
Yes, Inno had half the map when Flash was still on 4 base. Flash built 2 CCs and did nothing with them for like 5 minutes and that pretty early in the game.
I liked Inno's decision to double expand behind it and try to break flash's siege line though. He deserves credit for his decision making after he was so far behind like that
Thought Flash had that like 4 times but I've watched enough Innovation mech to know he's sneaky as hell, he always knows how to counter and what to produce not just to stay in the game but to seize the initiative.
On June 02 2015 19:46 sharkie wrote: So, what IS Flash's good matchup now? In the last weeks he pretty much lost in any way possible in his -best- matchup
On June 02 2015 19:45 The_Templar wrote: Flash did OK that game though, his TvT mech didn't look too bad.
? He's been playing mech TvT for weeks and he never looked bad, what is wrong with you?
The secret is to not throw your whole army away like he did when you are in perfect position
He completely outplayed Innovation for like 25 minutes of the game and then made a massive mistake.
Still Innovation made a few smart decisions that I respect
he thought he could finish the game considering superior army and he had a pretty nice bank. pretty wasteful especially throwing away all those ravens but inno played it pretty smart. took extra expansions and pretty much played it how a bio player would play against mech. lots of harass with the hellions as well.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
no one in this thread will actually know the answer.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Having 4 spare cc's and doing nothing with them lost him the game in the long run.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Mainly because he lost lots of shit for nothing. Also because INnoVation was on half a map when Flash was on 5 bases.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
He was way ahead because he made the air transition much faster than Inno, but threw away his army when he thought he could win the game (you might say he was overzealous).
Innovation made a few nice decisions aswell: once he realized he couldn't kill Flash's air army he double expanded immediately and baited out raven energy so he could break Flash's siege line and run a bunch of hellions in to kill flash's economy, essentially making flash's air army less valuable, and negating the army composition advantage flash had.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
He was way ahead because he made the air transition much faster than Inno, but threw away his army when he thought he could win the game (you might say he was overzealous).
Innovation made a few nice decisions aswell: once he realized he couldn't kill Flash's air army he tried double expanded immediately and baited out raven energy so he could break Flash's siege line and run a bunch of hellions in to kill flash's economy, essentially making flash's air army less valuable.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Well multiple things spiralling out of control such as; Had command centres not doing anything Had vikings in the air when it was a ground war Was fighting low ground vs high ground a few times Was engaging when he should not have
On top of that i generally think he got out multi tasked aka not having bases mining or shutting down Innovations expansions. He looked ahead at many points to me (Flash) yet he still managed to lose so hard towards the end. Oh well
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
no one in this thread will actually know the answer.
When Bogus turned the game into a reckless basetrade Flash started to lose control imo
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Both. Innovation was smart too to force flash to engage in ground battle.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
On June 02 2015 19:45 The_Templar wrote: Flash did OK that game though, his TvT mech didn't look too bad.
? He's been playing mech TvT for weeks and he never looked bad, what is wrong with you?
The secret is to not throw your whole army away like he did when you are in perfect position
He completely outplayed Innovation for like 25 minutes of the game and then made a massive mistake.
Still Innovation made a few smart decisions that I respect
he thought he could finish the game considering superior army and he had a pretty nice bank. pretty wasteful especially throwing away all those ravens but inno played it pretty smart. took extra expansions and pretty much played it how a bio player would play against mech. lots of harass with the hellions as well.
Yeah, I like the way he baited out raven energy and denied flash's 5th/6th mining expansions.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Having 4 spare cc's and doing nothing with them lost him the game in the long run.
So macro it is....i wonder did he forgot about them?... couldn't be ..he is GOD...he doesn't forget. I think he was mercyfull and let Inno win for being such a good person.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
On June 02 2015 19:49 curutcis wrote: A question from a noob mech player: Why did Flash lose?....was it because of the inferior macro or because he lost a ton of ravens for nothing?.
Having 4 spare cc's and doing nothing with them lost him the game in the long run.
So macro it is....i wonder did he forgot about them?... couldn't be ..he is GOD...he doesn't forget. I think he was mercyfull and let Inno win for being such a good person.
No, INnoVation understood that he needed to win the economic game so he denied flash landing his 5th+6th mining base
Flash understood this too and tried to end the game prematurely
On June 02 2015 19:56 Ketch wrote: For me the most characteristic thing missing in Life's play lately is the lack of ling runbys. Especially in ZvT btw
He will hold off on them for a few months. Make people forget Life lings exist. Then bam! Wins Blizzcon, is declared Bonjwa.
0:00 Classic spawns in the top left Life spawns in the bottom right
1:00 quick scouting probe from Classic after dropping a pylon at the natural choke
2:00 pool first for Life after he sees the scouting probe moving to block his drone going for the hatch hatch for Life Nexus for Classic gateway for Classic
3:00 queen and 2 lings for Life double gas for Classic Classic sees a drone moving out for a 3rd
4:00 3rd base for Life cybernetics core for Classic zealot for Classic Life kills the scouting probe sentry for Classic
5:00 Life droning up 2nd sentry for Classic double gas for Life forge for Classic
On June 02 2015 19:59 Ketch wrote: Great - ads ingame again. I am also terribly annoyed by ads during Wolf and Moonglade talking. I am completely fine with ad breaks though
On June 02 2015 19:59 Ketch wrote: Great - ads ingame again. I am also terribly annoyed by ads during Wolf and Moonglade talking. I am completely fine with ad breaks though
zubu
I decided to install an adblocker again. Adblock plus was slowing down my pc, so I'm trying muBlock now
0:00 Classic spawns in the top left Life spawns in the bottom right
1:00 quick scouting probe from Classic after dropping a pylon at the natural choke
2:00 pool first for Life after he sees the scouting probe moving to block his drone going for the hatch hatch for Life Nexus for Classic gateway for Classic
3:00 queen and 2 lings for Life double gas for Classic Classic sees a drone moving out for a 3rd
4:00 3rd base for Life cybernetics core for Classic zealot for Classic Life kills the scouting probe sentry for Classic
5:00 Life droning up 2nd sentry for Classic double gas for Life forge for Classic
6:00 2 more gates for Classic 2 more gas for Classic +1 attack for Classic Classicgoing up to his 4th sentry MSC for Classic
7:00 57 vs 63 Lair for Life evo for Life 2 more gas for Life roach warren for Life 3rd base for Classic hallucinated warp prism moving across the map 2nd roach warren for Life +1 range attack for Life cannon for Classic
8:00 69 vs 72 macro hatch for Life roachs peed for Life burrow for Life twilight council for Classic Roaches started for Life 3 more gates for Classic at his 3rd burrow movement started for Life in the 2nd roach warren hallucinated phoenix scouts the 2nd roach warren robo for Classic
9:00 77 vs 100 Life making more roaches Classic warping in stalkers more and more roaches being made for Life +2 attack started for Classic blink research started for Classic Life sending his roaches across the map Classic is walling off his middle path with more gates Life attacking and burrows as forcefields come out observer on the way
10:00 99 vs 152 Classic walling off more as his first wall starts to fall Life burrow moving under forcefields photon overcharge on the 3rd of Classic but Life isnt really near it Life attacking into the natural Classic is back in his natural immortal started for Classic cybernetics core is killed
On June 02 2015 19:59 Ketch wrote: Great - ads ingame again. I am also terribly annoyed by ads during Wolf and Moonglade talking. I am completely fine with ad breaks though
zubu
I decided to install an adblocker again. Adblock plus was slowing down my pc, so I'm trying muBlock now
0:00 Classic spawns in the top left Life spawns in the bottom right
1:00 quick scouting probe from Classic after dropping a pylon at the natural choke
2:00 pool first for Life after he sees the scouting probe moving to block his drone going for the hatch hatch for Life Nexus for Classic gateway for Classic
3:00 queen and 2 lings for Life double gas for Classic Classic sees a drone moving out for a 3rd
4:00 3rd base for Life cybernetics core for Classic zealot for Classic Life kills the scouting probe sentry for Classic
5:00 Life droning up 2nd sentry for Classic double gas for Life forge for Classic
6:00 2 more gates for Classic 2 more gas for Classic +1 attack for Classic Classicgoing up to his 4th sentry MSC for Classic
7:00 57 vs 63 Lair for Life evo for Life 2 more gas for Life roach warren for Life 3rd base for Classic hallucinated warp prism moving across the map 2nd roach warren for Life +1 range attack for Life cannon for Classic
8:00 69 vs 72 macro hatch for Life roachs peed for Life burrow for Life twilight council for Classic Roaches started for Life 3 more gates for Classic at his 3rd burrow movement started for Life in the 2nd roach warren hallucinated phoenix scouts the 2nd roach warren robo for Classic
9:00 77 vs 100 Life making more roaches Classic warping in stalkers more and more roaches being made for Life +2 attack started for Classic blink research started for Classic Life sending his roaches across the map Classic is walling off his middle path with more gates Life attacking and burrows as forcefields come out observer on the way
10:00 99 vs 152 Classic walling off more as his first wall starts to fall Life burrow moving under forcefields photon overcharge on the 3rd of Classic but Life isnt really near it Life attacking into the natural Classic is back in his natural immortal started for Classic cybernetics core is killed
11:00 96 vs 168 Life killing the 3rrd of Classic Classic losing most of the probes at his 3rd retreating cybernetics core rebuilding for Classic +2 range attack for Life hydralisk den for Life
12:00 93 vs 176 Life unpowering and killing the gaetways at Classic's former 3rd hydra range for Life hydras started for Life Life attacking into the natural of Classic
13:00 109 vs 197 Life taking a hatch at Classic's 3rd Life burrow moves under the army at the natural Classic is able to force the roaches back more hydras being made MSC sees the forward hatch hydras moving across the map now +1 carapace for Life
14:00 109 vs 188 dark shrine for Classic 3 more gates for Classic overseer for Life +3 attack for Classic Life adding spore and spines at his bases hydra speed for Life Life attacking into the natural with roach hydra roaches burrowing to get close to immortals
15:00 100 vs 180 photon overcharge on the natural nexus hydras make it into the natural as forcefields fade Classic is losing everything Classic ggs! Life makes it 1-2 for KT!
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On June 02 2015 19:59 Ketch wrote: Great - ads ingame again. I am also terribly annoyed by ads during Wolf and Moonglade talking. I am completely fine with ad breaks though
zubu
I decided to install an adblocker again. Adblock plus was slowing down my pc, so I'm trying muBlock now
why not zubu? It's better quality as well
Yeah could also, but i like the Twitch site better in general.. can check out some kappa's in the chat, etc... Also, shady ZUBU stuff I dunno. I'd rather support twitch - though I put adblock on, lol.
On June 02 2015 19:59 Ketch wrote: Great - ads ingame again. I am also terribly annoyed by ads during Wolf and Moonglade talking. I am completely fine with ad breaks though
zubu
I decided to install an adblocker again. Adblock plus was slowing down my pc, so I'm trying muBlock now
why not zubu? It's better quality as well
Yeah could also, but i like the Twitch site better in general.. can check out some kappa's in the chat, etc... Also, shady ZUBU stuff I dunno. I'd rather support twitch - though I put adblock on, lol.
On June 02 2015 20:04 Alucen-Will- wrote: So the 2 base roach burrow build is back.
Rogue/Life used to really like this earlier this year
It's 3 base double roach warren build, Departure beat herO with it last week.
Well you get a fast lair on 2 bases and get burrow before you get your third. Rogue/Life used this strategy a lot in the gsl s1 this year
In this game it was burrow starting at the same time as roach speed on third base already saturating though.
mhm, you can do it in different variations (IE: when you think your opponents attack is coming). The basic idea is just create an anit-timing for an aggressive 2-3 base protoss players
the reason the 2nd base lair->3rd base is the most popular is because it counterattacks the +2 blink timing that is very popular.
On June 02 2015 20:07 royalroadweed wrote: I have no idea what wolf means when he describes something as a "technical allin".
It means it's a complex all in that requires different pieces, upgrades, timings and good macro to pull it off.
Compared to like a DT rush, which just relies on getting a dark shrine ASAP and hoping you get a proxy pylon down.
A DT rush has to be hidden, which is way more technical to execute than any of these things you mentioned for a high level player. Well, anyway, Wolf probably doesn't mean anything in particular when he says that.
On June 02 2015 20:07 royalroadweed wrote: I have no idea what wolf means when he describes something as a "technical allin".
It means it's a complex all in that requires different pieces, upgrades, timings and good macro to pull it off.
Compared to like a DT rush, which just relies on getting a dark shrine ASAP and hoping you get a proxy pylon down.
A DT rush has to be hidden, which is way more technical to execute than any of these things you mentioned for a high level player. Well, anyway, Wolf probably doesn't mean anything in particular when he says that.
On June 02 2015 20:07 royalroadweed wrote: I have no idea what wolf means when he describes something as a "technical allin".
It means it's a complex all in that requires different pieces, upgrades, timings and good macro to pull it off.
Compared to like a DT rush, which just relies on getting a dark shrine ASAP and hoping you get a proxy pylon down.
A DT rush has to be hidden, which is way more technical to execute than any of these things you mentioned for a high level player. Well, anyway, Wolf probably doesn't mean anything in particular when he says that.
if you say so
^Bias vs bias is fun
Anyways what's the best way to beat this gold base first build
On June 02 2015 20:07 royalroadweed wrote: I have no idea what wolf means when he describes something as a "technical allin".
It means it's a complex all in that requires different pieces, upgrades, timings and good macro to pull it off.
Compared to like a DT rush, which just relies on getting a dark shrine ASAP and hoping you get a proxy pylon down.
A DT rush has to be hidden, which is way more technical to execute than any of these things you mentioned for a high level player. Well, anyway, Wolf probably doesn't mean anything in particular when he says that.
if you say so
^Bias vs bias is fun
Anyways what's the best way to beat this gold base first build
Classic pulled out 2 Oracles against ByuL doing this on the same map back in SSL quarterfinals and wrecked him
0:00 Dark spawns in the top center Stats spawns in the bottom center
1:00 quick drone scout from Dark
2:00 hatch first at the gold for Dark drone scout attempting to delay the nexus of Stats Nexus first for Stats about 75 minerals late gateway for Stats
3:00 3 hatch before pool for Dark, the 3rd hatch is the low ground base outside the main double gas for Stats pool for Dark Stats scouts that the back base isn't taken by Dark
4:00 cybernetics core for Stats zealot for Stats Stats scouts the gold base Stargate for Stats
5:00 double gas for Dark oracle started for Stats 2nd queen started at the gold of Dark overlord scouts the stargate
0:00 Dark spawns in the top center Stats spawns in the bottom center
1:00 quick drone scout from Dark
2:00 hatch first at the gold for Dark drone scout attempting to delay the nexus of Stats Nexus first for Stats about 75 minerals late gateway for Stats
3:00 3 hatch before pool for Dark, the 3rd hatch is the low ground base outside the main double gas for Stats pool for Dark Stats scouts that the back base isn't taken by Dark
4:00 cybernetics core for Stats zealot for Stats Stats scouts the gold base Stargate for Stats
5:00 double gas for Dark oracle started for Stats 2nd queen started at the gold of Dark overlord scouts the stargate
6:00 spores started for Dark at every base forge for stats 2nd oracle for Stats Lair for Dark oracle at the gold base kills 1 drone before leaving ling speed for Dark
7:00 54 vs 57 MSC for Stats 2 more gates for Stats +1 attack for Stats Roach warren for Dark evo for Dark 3rd base for Stats double oracles harassing at the 3rd of Dark kill 2 drones
8:00 72 vs 63 twilight council for Stats Hydralisk den for Dark oracles harassing in the main killing 5 more drones +1 range attack for Dark 3 more gates for Stats Dark taking more gas 4th base for Dark
9:00 87 vs 76 1 oracle in the main of Dark is killed 14 drones have been killed by the oracles so far +2 attack for Stats blink research for Stats Dark making a bunch of lings and sending them across the map 8 sentries out for Stats to defend and push the lings back hydras started for Dark hydra range for Dark roach speed for Dark
10:00 95 vs 84 overlord drops started for Dark 4 more gates for Stats oracle flying around scouting seeing the first hydras coming out hydra speed for Dark
0:00 Dark spawns in the top center Stats spawns in the bottom center
1:00 quick drone scout from Dark
2:00 hatch first at the gold for Dark drone scout attempting to delay the nexus of Stats Nexus first for Stats about 75 minerals late gateway for Stats
3:00 3 hatch before pool for Dark, the 3rd hatch is the low ground base outside the main double gas for Stats pool for Dark Stats scouts that the back base isn't taken by Dark
4:00 cybernetics core for Stats zealot for Stats Stats scouts the gold base Stargate for Stats
5:00 double gas for Dark oracle started for Stats 2nd queen started at the gold of Dark overlord scouts the stargate
6:00 spores started for Dark at every base forge for stats 2nd oracle for Stats Lair for Dark oracle at the gold base kills 1 drone before leaving ling speed for Dark
7:00 54 vs 57 MSC for Stats 2 more gates for Stats +1 attack for Stats Roach warren for Dark evo for Dark 3rd base for Stats double oracles harassing at the 3rd of Dark kill 2 drones
8:00 72 vs 63 twilight council for Stats Hydralisk den for Dark oracles harassing in the main killing 5 more drones +1 range attack for Dark 3 more gates for Stats Dark taking more gas 4th base for Dark
9:00 87 vs 76 1 oracle in the main of Dark is killed 14 drones have been killed by the oracles so far +2 attack for Stats blink research for Stats Dark making a bunch of lings and sending them across the map 8 sentries out for Stats to defend and push the lings back hydras started for Dark hydra range for Dark roach speed for Dark
10:00 95 vs 84 overlord drops started for Dark 4 more gates for Stats oracle flying around scouting seeing the first hydras coming out hydra speed for Dark
11:00 142 vs 120 revelation on the hydra ball before being killed +2 range attack for Dark pylon going up in the middle of the map as Stats moves out with his gateway army spines started for Dark after scouting
12:00 159 vs 137 Stats moves onto creep towards the 3rd of Dark roach hydra army engages Dark pulls the drones forcefields going down
13:00 114 vs 121 Stats is able to break through Dark's defense easily forcefield on the main ramp Dark ggs! Stats ties it up 2-2!
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FFS DARK! You do the same shit over and over again... You fucking lose to a timing attack cause you don't have the army to fight it ugh... Why doesn't he ever learn...?!
On June 02 2015 20:27 opisska wrote: So was it as great as everyone hyped it, or was it a day of lame games? I just came home only to see the hilarious ace match choice.
Honestly every game other than Flash vs Innovation was ended 1 in decisive move.
On June 02 2015 20:27 opisska wrote: So was it as great as everyone hyped it, or was it a day of lame games? I just came home only to see the hilarious ace match choice.
Innovation vs. Flash was Mech vs. Mech, game was okaish, but the last 5-10 minutes were really good. You don't want to watch Life vs. Classic and Dark vs. Stats. I haven't seen the first match.
On June 02 2015 20:27 opisska wrote: So was it as great as everyone hyped it, or was it a day of lame games? I just came home only to see the hilarious ace match choice.
INno vs Flash was outrageously good. Dream vs Zest looked good but then it ended with one bad fight for Zest so that was meh. Classic vs Life was cool and funny because Life went full BM. Dark vs Stats is like every PvZ ever.
On June 02 2015 20:27 opisska wrote: So was it as great as everyone hyped it, or was it a day of lame games? I just came home only to see the hilarious ace match choice.
Honestly every game other than Flash vs Innovation was ended 1 in decisive move.
On June 02 2015 20:30 bo1b wrote: Why is tvz a hilarious ace match choice, sounds like the best choice to me
Yesterday I had a discussion when someone pointed out to me that while all the players from SKT and KT tend to meet a lot in high levels of Korean leagues, the particular matchups of today are all pretty rare; the first thing I see after opening the stream is that Life is gonna play Dream, a matchup that happens lately rather ... at every possible occasion.
On June 02 2015 20:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Disgusting. If I didn't want Stats to win I'd have been vomiting
Q: Will you ever shut up about Protoss? A: No.
this calls for a grudgematch imo
I'm not allowing SGTK to participate in a grudge match ever again.
How can you make people this curious and not mention what happened?
I think they played in a grudgeless grudgematch and it ended like 4 or 5-0
Yeah, I won 5-0. It included multiple games where I basically won with like one gateway.
Okay, it has to be said though that I was under the impression that we were not playing tryhard, then you went full tryhard.
Full tryhard with one gateway? Oooook...
Compared to the carrier rush I was doing, yes that is full tryhard. One game though I'll admit I played super greedy and he just straight up killed me with like 2 stakers and a zealot
What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
Last year he looked ridiculously good, no idea what's happening this year. Same with soO
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
I swear I've seen this exact post before. He lost to Life at the WCS Global finals, failed to qualify for GSL/S2SL, never looked the same again. TT
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
Zest never was the protoss version of Mvp -.-
He just had a very good period where he won everything and thats it
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
I swear I've seen this exact post before. He lost to Life at the WCS Global finals, failed to qualify for GSL/S2SL, never looked the same again. TT
I think Terran contributed to it. His vs T was a chink in his armor that we never saw exploited because he was dominating at a time where terrans were endangered.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
Zest never was the protoss version of Mvp -.-
He just had a very good period where he won everything and thats it
Not even the real Mvp was a version of that Mvp people are always talking about
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
Zest never was the protoss version of Mvp -.-
He just had a very good period where he won everything and thats it
He's still an incredibly good player in some matches and at times looks just terrible.
The issue is that people always look at the outcome of games and not the form of the player within it. If you pay attention to zest's play he combines brilliant play at times with massive mistakes.
It's that he can play so well at one time and so poorly at others that I think he may just have a mental issue/lack confidence.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
He's the protoss version of soulkey, expect to see him on your sidebar under Starcraft: Brood War any time soon.
Thats the real elephant in the room btw, failed transitions return to brood war to lose to sea
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
I swear I've seen this exact post before. He lost to Life at the WCS Global finals, failed to qualify for GSL/S2SL, never looked the same again. TT
I think Terran contributed to it. His vs T was a chink in his armor that we never saw exploited because he was dominating at a time where terrans were endangered.
But it's not like Zest always loses to Terrans. He reks Bbyong every time they play and he has INnoVation's number, for example.
On June 02 2015 20:35 Alucen-Will- wrote: I'm still very confused by Zest atm. It really does feel as if there are two polar opposites in him.
I may be in the minority on these boards but I do possibly think that it could be mental
Perhaps this will be better for Zest in the long run, his non-ace record is actually pretty good. Take the pressure of being a lock for ace off for the time being.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
He's the protoss version of soulkey, expect to see him on your sidebar under Starcraft: Brood War any time soon.
Thats the real elephant in the room btw, failed transitions return to brood war to lose to sea
The harder you fail to transition the better you are at BW when you return, see Sea, Bisu.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
He's the protoss version of soulkey, expect to see him on your sidebar under Starcraft: Brood War any time soon.
Thats the real elephant in the room btw, failed transitions return to brood war to lose to sea
The harder you fail to transition the better you are at BW when you return, see Sea, Bisu.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
Zest never was the protoss version of Mvp -.-
He just had a very good period where he won everything and thats it
Not even the real Mvp was a version of that Mvp people are always talking about
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
He's the protoss version of soulkey, expect to see him on your sidebar under Starcraft: Brood War any time soon.
Thats the real elephant in the room btw, failed transitions return to brood war to lose to sea
The harder you fail to transition the better you are at BW when you return, see Sea, Bisu.
What about Effort then?
Well effOrt didn't fail to transition in TvZ so he'll probably become mediocre
On June 02 2015 20:40 NexUmbra wrote: Everyone says that Life has won three GSLs but it's only two plus Blizzard Cup no?
Counts as an official GSL win and he has a pin for it. Polt also never won Code S but he's a GSL winner.
Honestly I feel if he has pin for it than perhaps Zest should have one for his GSL Super tournament win. The format was pretty much identical with an almost identical field in terms of competition, too.
On June 02 2015 20:37 xAdra wrote: What happened to Zest exactly. I was plaaying dota during his prime so I never watched any of his games, but I heard he's supposed to be the Protoss version of IMMvp. But then I return to sc2 and he seems to be in this massive slump?
He's the protoss version of soulkey, expect to see him on your sidebar under Starcraft: Brood War any time soon.
Thats the real elephant in the room btw, failed transitions return to brood war to lose to sea
The harder you fail to transition the better you are at BW when you return, see Sea, Bisu.
What about Effort then?
Well effOrt didn't fail to transition in TvZ so he'll probably become mediocre
0:00 Dream spawns in the bottom left Life spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Life CC first on the low ground for Dream pool for Life gas for Life rax for dream gas for Dream
3:00 bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream ling speed for Life 3rd base for Life reactored hellion production started for Dream starport for Dream
6:00 2nd gas for Dream 2nd gas for Life banshee for Dream 2 more gas for Dream
7:00 50 vs 60 Lair for Life double ebay for Dream stim research for Dream double evo for Life 2 more rax for Dream 1-1 melee carapace for Life
8:00 63 vs 72 1-1 for Dream baneling nest for Life 2 more gas for Life macro hatch for Life
9:00 78 vs 86 Dream cleaning up creep with his hellions and banshee 4th base for Life baneling speed for Life 2nd factory for Dream queens pushing back the hellions and banshee and replacing tumors
10:00 91 vs 99 Dream lands his 3rd and builds a bunker to protect it overlord speed for Life spire for Life viking harassing overlords is killed by queens medivacs on the field for Dream widow mine production for Dream armory for Dream combat shields for Dream 2-2 started for Life
0:00 Dream spawns in the bottom left Life spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Life CC first on the low ground for Dream pool for Life gas for Life rax for dream gas for Dream
3:00 bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream ling speed for Life 3rd base for Life reactored hellion production started for Dream starport for Dream
6:00 2nd gas for Dream 2nd gas for Life banshee for Dream 2 more gas for Dream
7:00 50 vs 60 Lair for Life double ebay for Dream stim research for Dream double evo for Life 2 more rax for Dream 1-1 melee carapace for Life
8:00 63 vs 72 1-1 for Dream baneling nest for Life 2 more gas for Life macro hatch for Life
9:00 78 vs 86 Dream cleaning up creep with his hellions and banshee 4th base for Life baneling speed for Life 2nd factory for Dream queens pushing back the hellions and banshee and replacing tumors
10:00 91 vs 99 Dream lands his 3rd and builds a bunker to protect it overlord speed for Life spire for Life viking harassing overlords is killed by queens medivacs on the field for Dream widow mine production for Dream armory for Dream combat shields for Dream 2-2 started for Life
11:00 122 vs 122 engagement on the edge of creep Dream loses his hellions but saves all his marines 2-2 started for Dream drilling claws for Dream Dream walling off the back route to his 3rd mutas started for Life
12:00 138 vs 134 Dream cleaning up more creep 3 more rax for Dream +1 air attack for Life Life has units ready to defend the double drop of Dream at his 4th Life takes the gas at his 4th infestation pit for Life thor for Dream on the way Dream's drop backs off to try and kill off leading creep tumors
13:00 167 vs 147 Dream regroups his army on the left side of the map and starts pushing onto creep towards Life's 4th engagement outside Life's 4th Life doesnt have many banelings read and is pushed back
14:00 138 vs 139 Life is able to push Dream back with the next wave of lings and banes Dream is retreating towards his side of the map while mutas give chase +1 range attack for Life concussive shells for Dream thor is stuck in Dream's base because of building set up Dream moving up the left side of the map again
15:00 157 vs 154 3-3 started for Dream Hive started for Life Life makes 1 infestor Dream attacking at the 4th again Life positions his army near the 4th leading the defense with mutas 4th CC for Dream engagement near the 4th
0:00 Dream spawns in the bottom left Life spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Life CC first on the low ground for Dream pool for Life gas for Life rax for dream gas for Dream
3:00 bunker in the natural for Dream
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream ling speed for Life 3rd base for Life reactored hellion production started for Dream starport for Dream
6:00 2nd gas for Dream 2nd gas for Life banshee for Dream 2 more gas for Dream
7:00 50 vs 60 Lair for Life double ebay for Dream stim research for Dream double evo for Life 2 more rax for Dream 1-1 melee carapace for Life
8:00 63 vs 72 1-1 for Dream baneling nest for Life 2 more gas for Life macro hatch for Life
9:00 78 vs 86 Dream cleaning up creep with his hellions and banshee 4th base for Life baneling speed for Life 2nd factory for Dream queens pushing back the hellions and banshee and replacing tumors
10:00 91 vs 99 Dream lands his 3rd and builds a bunker to protect it overlord speed for Life spire for Life viking harassing overlords is killed by queens medivacs on the field for Dream widow mine production for Dream armory for Dream combat shields for Dream 2-2 started for Life
11:00 122 vs 122 engagement on the edge of creep Dream loses his hellions but saves all his marines 2-2 started for Dream drilling claws for Dream Dream walling off the back route to his 3rd mutas started for Life
12:00 138 vs 134 Dream cleaning up more creep 3 more rax for Dream +1 air attack for Life Life has units ready to defend the double drop of Dream at his 4th Life takes the gas at his 4th infestation pit for Life thor for Dream on the way Dream's drop backs off to try and kill off leading creep tumors
13:00 167 vs 147 Dream regroups his army on the left side of the map and starts pushing onto creep towards Life's 4th engagement outside Life's 4th Life doesnt have many banelings read and is pushed back
14:00 138 vs 139 Life is able to push Dream back with the next wave of lings and banes Dream is retreating towards his side of the map while mutas give chase +1 range attack for Life concussive shells for Dream thor is stuck in Dream's base because of building set up Dream moving up the left side of the map again
15:00 157 vs 154 3-3 started for Dream Hive started for Life Life makes 1 infestor Dream attacking at the 4th again Life positions his army near the 4th leading the defense with mutas 4th CC for Dream engagement near the 4th
16:00 153 vs 140 Life's baneling hits are ineffective Dream moves up the 4th ramp mutas starting to fall to marines and thors Dream rallying more units toward the 4th Dream microing this thors back with medivacs Life has no units left at his 4th Life's 4th is going to die Life ggs! Dream wins and SKT takes the match 3-2!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended (Vote): ★ - shit game
great games today. a little bummed about the last match but dream is scary. those first two widow mine hits and then it became an uphill battle. really hard to come back against someone with splits and thor micro like that.
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended (Vote): ★ - shit game
On June 02 2015 20:40 NexUmbra wrote: Everyone says that Life has won three GSLs but it's only two plus Blizzard Cup no?
Counts as an official GSL win and he has a pin for it. Polt also never won Code S but he's a GSL winner.
There's a big difference between the Super Tournament and Blizzard Cup though...
if it gives a GSL pin, it's recognized as a GSL
To be honest, that doesn't give it equal relevance in terms of significance. If we count his bizzard cup win, Perhaps zest's gsl global tournament win should count too. They had similar formats/fields
On June 02 2015 20:40 NexUmbra wrote: Everyone says that Life has won three GSLs but it's only two plus Blizzard Cup no?
Counts as an official GSL win and he has a pin for it. Polt also never won Code S but he's a GSL winner.
There's a big difference between the Super Tournament and Blizzard Cup though...
if it gives a GSL pin, it's recognized as a GSL
To be honest, that doesn't give it equal relevance in terms of significance. If we count his bizzard cup win, Perhaps zest's gsl global tournament win should count too. They had similar formats/fields
On June 02 2015 20:40 NexUmbra wrote: Everyone says that Life has won three GSLs but it's only two plus Blizzard Cup no?
Counts as an official GSL win and he has a pin for it. Polt also never won Code S but he's a GSL winner.
There's a big difference between the Super Tournament and Blizzard Cup though...
if it gives a GSL pin, it's recognized as a GSL
To be honest, that doesn't give it equal relevance in terms of significance. If we count his bizzard cup win, Perhaps zest's gsl global tournament win should count too. They had similar formats/fields
Where's Zests 2nd GSL pin?
It wasn't an emotional response, I'm just looking at the tournament objectively.
On June 02 2015 20:40 NexUmbra wrote: Everyone says that Life has won three GSLs but it's only two plus Blizzard Cup no?
Counts as an official GSL win and he has a pin for it. Polt also never won Code S but he's a GSL winner.
There's a big difference between the Super Tournament and Blizzard Cup though...
if it gives a GSL pin, it's recognized as a GSL
To be honest, that doesn't give it equal relevance in terms of significance. If we count his bizzard cup win, Perhaps zest's gsl global tournament win should count too. They had similar formats/fields
Where's Zests 2nd GSL pin?
It wasn't an emotional response, I'm just looking at the tournament objectively.
I'm a fan of life
Neither was mine, like I said, it's of general consensus that a GSL win is something that gives a GSL pin. Hence Mvp has 4 GSLs and Life 3.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
On June 02 2015 20:54 Parcelleus wrote: David Kim and his love affair with terran.
reminds me when Stephen was brought in to balance DoW:Winter Assault. So he made the race he plays (IG) OP.
What is it with these nubs ?
Swarmhosts ? Photon overcharge ? really ? As long as we dont touch terran right ? lets add WM ! ?
Wait wut
I thought people always accused David Kim for hating terran, hence the long-ass periods of zerg/protoss dominance
I think WoL spelt it out VERY clearly.
Yea probably. I wasn't watching prosc2 during 2011 (was just a bronze leaguer then) and my greatest memory of blatant imbalance in the game over a long period was BL-infestor. Then I also heard about the blink all-in era. In both these times it always seemed like terran could not win at all barring the top 1/2 players
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
He was talking about his thor micro, which is indeed kinda unique...
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
They have a lineup of: Zest, Life, Stats and TY Flash They should have finished top2 every season. People are treating KT just right
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream was a great choice against all the realistic aces tbh
On June 02 2015 20:52 Elentos wrote: *sigh* KT could be 4-0 but nope, always losing the ace match against the top teams.
i feel it's bad coaching. sending out the wrong players against the wrong opposition.
The only thing they could have done better today was sending out TY on Echo over Zest.
Well, that's one wrong thing too many. Also; They could,ve sended out Stats, not that sending out life is necessarily a mistake
Expedition Lost is a shit map for Protoss vs Terran imo, unless you cheese, and Dream got the better of Stats at KeSPA Cup.
That's why I said it's not necessarily a mistake. Dream is really hard to stop at the moment, I still didn't decide on the vs herO S2SL semi. You?
Well I like Dream more so I hope he wins .
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
Eh, today it was mostly on the players. Zest was in a good spot, then took the worst possible engagement and lost. Flash was in an incredible position and then lost because he got overeager.
On June 02 2015 20:54 Parcelleus wrote: David Kim and his love affair with terran. reminds me when Stephen was brought in to balance DoW:Winter Assault. So he made the race he plays (IG) OP. What is it with these nubs ? Swarmhosts ? Photon overcharge ? really ? As long as we dont touch terran right ? lets add WM ! ?
ummm ya.
i'm not surprised by this, David Kim's grandfather was a top level CIA agent and he paid Lee Harvey Oswald and a mysterious sniper on a grassy knoll to take out JFK.
Now that David Kim has infiltrated the top levels of Blizzard management who knows what will happen next. As we all know ....the first thing you do when overthrowing a 1st world country is to go after the video game studios first. Watch for teh rest of America's Corporations to fall like dominos now.
[/sarcasm]
today's games were fricken awesome and David Kim should take a bow because his brilliant game design decisions and subtle balance tweaks were on full display... baiting that Mutalisk pack and nailing it with long aerial bombs from the Thor was great stuff.
On June 02 2015 20:52 Elentos wrote: *sigh* KT could be 4-0 but nope, always losing the ace match against the top teams.
i feel it's bad coaching. sending out the wrong players against the wrong opposition.
The only thing they could have done better today was sending out TY on Echo over Zest.
Well, that's one wrong thing too many. Also; They could,ve sended out Stats, not that sending out life is necessarily a mistake
Expedition Lost is a shit map for Protoss vs Terran imo, unless you cheese, and Dream got the better of Stats at KeSPA Cup.
That's why I said it's not necessarily a mistake. Dream is really hard to stop at the moment, I still didn't decide on the vs herO S2SL semi. You?
Dream is a bubble!He will brake soon! - i think Rogue said that i think at the GSL group selections.....i would like to see a Rogue vs Dream.....till that time herO will complete the list of losers in Dream's book.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
Eh, today it was mostly on the players. Zest was in a good spot, then took the worst possible engagement and lost. Flash was in an incredible position and then lost because he got overeager.
Yes, this is a trademark that flash has shown in Sc2. It's so clear that the emotional aspect takes over and he makes a mistake.
And I'm happy the points you made about zest too, because he played well too and threw it all away
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On stream he generally uses a way more diverse set of builds and plays anyway. Just in televised matches parade pushes from Flash don't happen anymore.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On stream he generally uses a way more diverse set of builds and plays anyway. Just in televised matches parade pushes from Flash don't happen anymore.
Actually Inno is far more guilty of this. His stream vod's have so many creative/interesting builds that he rarely/never used in professional matches to my knowledge
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
Depends on his TvZ and TvP
He used to be the best TvP player in Proleague last year, some of that's still there. And his TvZ is always decent. But an Ace player needs a certain clutch factor and I'm not sure TY has that right now. He's so rarely fielded and he almost made 1st in his GSL group with Maru and ByuL and ended up in 3rd, I doubt he's super confident.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
Depends on his TvZ and TvP
He used to be the best TvP player in Proleague last year, some of that's still there. And his TvZ is always decent. But an Ace player needs a certain clutch factor and I'm not sure TY has that right now. He's so rarely fielded and he almost made 1st in his GSL group with Maru and ByuL and ended up in 3rd, I doubt he's super confident.
Since TY is never in the lineup they should make him prepare exclusively for ace matches. Imagine if he brings up a new crazy prepared build every match... in that case even if we lose I wouldn't really care !
kinda hate kt coach for refusing to use stats in ace matches while he's clearly the one in top form on team and posting best results over numerous competitions
On June 02 2015 23:58 esdf wrote: kinda hate kt coach for refusing to use stats in ace matches while he's clearly the one in top form on team and posting best results over numerous competitions
stats has a lower chance to beat dream. that added with expedition lost, i like the life decision here. only the zest ones are the bad ones imo. dream prepared a lot vs protoss for zest and hero, he destroyed zest who isnt that different from stats in this matchup and dream recently beat stats 3-1 without problems. i dont think life was a bad call
@KT Fans: Consider the fact that Stats vs Dream is a potential GSL finals. The coaches and/or stats could have requested he not play in order to keep his prepared builds secret for the finals.
On June 03 2015 03:05 BisuDagger wrote: @KT Fans: Consider the fact that Stats vs Dream is a potential GSL finals. The coaches and/or stats could have requested he not play in order to keep his prepared builds secret for the finals.
Most fans accept that sending out Stats on Expedition Lost would have been shit I think.
On June 03 2015 03:05 BisuDagger wrote: @KT Fans: Consider the fact that Stats vs Dream is a potential GSL finals. The coaches and/or stats could have requested he not play in order to keep his prepared builds secret for the finals.
Every single former BW player considers team leagues more important than individual leagues
On June 03 2015 03:05 BisuDagger wrote: @KT Fans: Consider the fact that Stats vs Dream is a potential GSL finals. The coaches and/or stats could have requested he not play in order to keep his prepared builds secret for the finals.
Every single former BW player considers team leagues more important than individual leagues
This is actually not true for KT specifically. As a Bisu fan who saw him lose countless times in individual leagues since joining SKT, I also came to notice when someone like Flash would often get breaks from ace matches on days before individual matches. I agree with your general statement, but KT coaches do have a history of caring about an individual's success.
Great build from dream, his 3 CC build is actually fairly safe because he still gets hellions + banshee so with good micro he can hold anything. Low ground CC first is a gamble, but it's not like Zergs are gonna go blind 6 or 10 pool when 90% of Terrans will open reaper expand on a 2 player map.
I think Dream's macro parade push style with Thors is designed to kill these mass muta builds that Zergs seem to go for every game, it's time for Zergs to try something different like roach bane straight into corruptors + hive, instead of trying to build their Muta ball.
On June 03 2015 03:05 BisuDagger wrote: @KT Fans: Consider the fact that Stats vs Dream is a potential GSL finals. The coaches and/or stats could have requested he not play in order to keep his prepared builds secret for the finals.
Every single former BW player considers team leagues more important than individual leagues
Just because they play doesn't mean they have to use their "secret" builds, not that there are really any secret builds any more. And last time Dream absolutely destroyed Stats in a bo5 series, Stats only won one game where dream tried to 2 rax proxy him but failed, Dream's TvP is just incredibly solid - not as flashy as Maru, but more consistent.
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
On June 04 2015 03:06 Silvana wrote: hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
edit: wrong thread lol
typical Flash loss man, his mechanics and gameplan puts him ahead and his opponent is like I am already behind so lets get super greedy or get away with stuff that i normally wouldnt do and since we are taking about sc2 and Flash being stubborn in it, it works more often than enough.
From what I remember Flash just lost because he didn't get enough map control. He had at least 2 CC's early on but didn't even morph them to OC's for several minutes, which probably was huge. Innovation had half the map and when Flash struck his base he still was mining a lot at the left half of the map. On the other hand every hit from Innovation was twice as bad for Flash.
On June 04 2015 03:06 Silvana wrote: hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 02:11 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
edit: wrong thread lol
typical Flash loss man, his mechanics and gameplan puts him ahead and his opponent is like I am already behind so lets get super greedy or get away with stuff that i normally wouldnt do and since we are taking about sc2 and Flash being stubborn in it, it works more often than enough.
I wouldnt say Flash is ahead of INnoVation in mechanics etc
On June 04 2015 03:06 Silvana wrote: hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 02:11 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
edit: wrong thread lol
typical Flash loss man, his mechanics and gameplan puts him ahead and his opponent is like I am already behind so lets get super greedy or get away with stuff that i normally wouldnt do and since we are taking about sc2 and Flash being stubborn in it, it works more often than enough.
I wouldnt say Flash is ahead of INnoVation in mechanics etc
No, not really, INnoVation at his peak might be the most mechanically gifted player SC2 has ever seen, but Flash was ahead for the majority of the game. Seems like someone updated INno's "Adaptation" subroutine which caused him to make good decisions for once.
On June 04 2015 03:06 Silvana wrote: hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 02:11 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
edit: wrong thread lol
typical Flash loss man, his mechanics and gameplan puts him ahead and his opponent is like I am already behind so lets get super greedy or get away with stuff that i normally wouldnt do and since we are taking about sc2 and Flash being stubborn in it, it works more often than enough.
I wouldnt say Flash is ahead of INnoVation in mechanics etc
No, not really, INnoVation at his peak might be the most mechanically gifted player SC2 has ever seen, but Flash was ahead for the majority of the game. Seems like someone updated INno's "Adaptation" subroutine which caused him to make good decisions for once.
On June 04 2015 03:06 Silvana wrote: hah if you are an Inno fan it must be nice to watch the game knowing the result in advance, otherwise it's like 30min of suffering until he starts winning
On June 04 2015 02:11 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2015 01:50 GumBa wrote: Just watched the vods. SKT BEST KT!!!!!!! And my god Bogus vs Flash fufilled my dreams :')
The nice thing about that game was that there was a winner but neither player ended up looking bad (imo they both showed some brilliance in TvT, actually).
Yes. But sadly it also showed what I've seen from Flash more times than I'd like: getting ahead but not being able to close it up afterwards.
edit: wrong thread lol
typical Flash loss man, his mechanics and gameplan puts him ahead and his opponent is like I am already behind so lets get super greedy or get away with stuff that i normally wouldnt do and since we are taking about sc2 and Flash being stubborn in it, it works more often than enough.
I wouldnt say Flash is ahead of INnoVation in mechanics etc
No, not really, INnoVation at his peak might be the most mechanically gifted player SC2 has ever seen, but Flash was ahead for the majority of the game. Seems like someone updated INno's "Adaptation" subroutine which caused him to make good decisions for once.
On June 04 2015 05:41 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:37 Seeker wrote: How the hell do you win 2 straight matches here and then go on to lose 0-4 in GSL? WTF Dream...
He faced CJ players in GSL. Can't blame him.
And what's their excuse for losing to Curious? Not enough style?
The Gatekeeper is a strong beast. Can't blame them.
So you're saying CJ doesn't have enough STYLE to STOP SBENU.
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