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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
June 02 2015 22:19 GMT
#1441
Snute missing injects, floating 500 minerals and 1k gas, and being 40 behind in supply. I don't think bunny had over 200 minerals. He is so good.
Don't mind me
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
June 02 2015 22:20 GMT
#1442
Someone should make a time-lapse of Rifkin's beard through all of this. It should have grown over the course of 15 hours
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
June 02 2015 22:20 GMT
#1443
On June 03 2015 07:19 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:07 ptbl wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:05 Alchemik wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:03 ptbl wrote:
On this map, wouldn't two base play from snute be better? The third is so exposed and long distance.

why are you critizing the play of someone who's 15 hours in



Well because Bunny seems to have gotten better and stronger as the day has gone by while snute has gotten worse. You would think it would be the other way because of all the micro terran has to do.

if you're good at micro you're good at it, so while your reaction times would probably suffer and you might cramp up you're still going to be able to do the movements well

on the other hand, as xeno and ZG were pointing out, zerg has to do a lot of really frustrating and irritating things in this MU like defending reaper/hellion/banshee, defending drops, and constantly pulling ling/bane back onto creep while terran is poking. being tired you would probably want to just bust into terran and stop fucking around with their annoying minefield guerrilla crap which is the wrong way to approach it, and snute has taken a lot of engagements exactly like that

Snute is at the point where he is failing basic macro, even though Zerg macro and micro mechanics aren't more taxing than Terran.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
June 02 2015 22:21 GMT
#1444
On June 03 2015 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Snute is completely fucked

i just hope he's not emotional or pissed off at himself about it like when he drops out of tournaments. it would prolly be really shitty for his state of mind to play out and lose 10 more standard zvts just because he feels like he has to. hopefully he's able to have fun with it still
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 02 2015 22:21 GMT
#1445
I think this series has been long enough that we can draw the conclusions that Bunny's fundamentals are probably way better, even though he is clearly tired and it shows he is still able to do the basics well enough to win.
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
June 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#1446
On June 03 2015 07:21 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Snute is completely fucked

i just hope he's not emotional or pissed off at himself about it like when he drops out of tournaments. it would prolly be really shitty for his state of mind to play out and lose 10 more standard zvts just because he feels like he has to. hopefully he's able to have fun with it still

that's what he kinda always does though
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
June 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#1447
On June 03 2015 07:17 ptbl wrote:
Bunny up 40 supply with no real economic damage ro both. Bunny is a macro god.

normally snute is slightly better at macro, but it seems that snute has human stamina, and bunny that of an insane person.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
June 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#1448
On June 03 2015 07:20 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:19 brickrd wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:07 ptbl wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:05 Alchemik wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:03 ptbl wrote:
On this map, wouldn't two base play from snute be better? The third is so exposed and long distance.

why are you critizing the play of someone who's 15 hours in



Well because Bunny seems to have gotten better and stronger as the day has gone by while snute has gotten worse. You would think it would be the other way because of all the micro terran has to do.

if you're good at micro you're good at it, so while your reaction times would probably suffer and you might cramp up you're still going to be able to do the movements well

on the other hand, as xeno and ZG were pointing out, zerg has to do a lot of really frustrating and irritating things in this MU like defending reaper/hellion/banshee, defending drops, and constantly pulling ling/bane back onto creep while terran is poking. being tired you would probably want to just bust into terran and stop fucking around with their annoying minefield guerrilla crap which is the wrong way to approach it, and snute has taken a lot of engagements exactly like that

Snute is at the point where he is failing basic macro, even though Zerg macro and micro mechanics aren't more taxing than Terran.

he's not "failing macro," he's overmaking defensive lings and falling behind in economy, then falling behind in supply by taking really bad engagements

a couple of games ago bunny was at like 90/150 supply without any major engagements happening so i think your characterization is inaccurate, clearly he's playing better and that's why he's winning but "snute is failing at macro" is wrong
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KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
June 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#1449
Someone check Bunny's hands to see if their bleeding
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
June 02 2015 22:23 GMT
#1450
On June 03 2015 07:21 Destructicon wrote:
I think this series has been long enough that we can draw the conclusions that Bunny's fundamentals are probably way better, even though he is clearly tired and it shows he is still able to do the basics well enough to win.

i think it's more a thing of stamina, bunny seems barely faced while snute can't do anything anymore.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
June 02 2015 22:23 GMT
#1451
On June 03 2015 07:22 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:20 Elentos wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:19 brickrd wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:07 ptbl wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:05 Alchemik wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:03 ptbl wrote:
On this map, wouldn't two base play from snute be better? The third is so exposed and long distance.

why are you critizing the play of someone who's 15 hours in



Well because Bunny seems to have gotten better and stronger as the day has gone by while snute has gotten worse. You would think it would be the other way because of all the micro terran has to do.

if you're good at micro you're good at it, so while your reaction times would probably suffer and you might cramp up you're still going to be able to do the movements well

on the other hand, as xeno and ZG were pointing out, zerg has to do a lot of really frustrating and irritating things in this MU like defending reaper/hellion/banshee, defending drops, and constantly pulling ling/bane back onto creep while terran is poking. being tired you would probably want to just bust into terran and stop fucking around with their annoying minefield guerrilla crap which is the wrong way to approach it, and snute has taken a lot of engagements exactly like that

Snute is at the point where he is failing basic macro, even though Zerg macro and micro mechanics aren't more taxing than Terran.

he's not "failing macro," he's overmaking defensive lings and falling behind in economy, then falling behind in supply by taking really bad engagements

a couple of games ago bunny was at like 90/150 supply without any major engagements happening so i think your characterization is inaccurate, clearly he's playing better and that's why he's winning but "snute is failing at macro" is wrong

Overmaking unnecessary units and then falling behind on overall supply by more than 40 without any major engagements aswell as missing injects seems to accurately describe failing macro to me.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
June 02 2015 22:24 GMT
#1452
On June 03 2015 07:22 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:21 brickrd wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Snute is completely fucked

i just hope he's not emotional or pissed off at himself about it like when he drops out of tournaments. it would prolly be really shitty for his state of mind to play out and lose 10 more standard zvts just because he feels like he has to. hopefully he's able to have fun with it still

that's what he kinda always does though

yeah but my point is it sucks to do that over a jokey showmatch that's supposed to be a fun goof for everyone involved
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 02 2015 22:24 GMT
#1453
HTC: Best of 69

(T)Bunny vs (Z)Snute
28-20

Map: Entombed Valley

Bunny spawns in the top left!
Snute spawns in the bottom left
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2015 22:24 GMT
#1454
My favorite game on Entombed Valley was Marineking vs Parting Round 2
There. I said it.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1455
IN ZE TOP LEFT!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1456
ZE LEFT
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1457
ZE TOP LEFT!
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TL+ Member
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1458
This is still going on? xD

wtf kind of streak is Bunny suddenly on, last time I looked at this Snute was like 6-0. Sick comeback rofl.
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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1459
In tournament play, it's a good idea to mix in some cheeses to keep the opponent honest. How come Snute isn't mixing in any cheeses?
Don't mind me
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#1460
On June 03 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:22 brickrd wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:20 Elentos wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:19 brickrd wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:07 ptbl wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:05 Alchemik wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:03 ptbl wrote:
On this map, wouldn't two base play from snute be better? The third is so exposed and long distance.

why are you critizing the play of someone who's 15 hours in



Well because Bunny seems to have gotten better and stronger as the day has gone by while snute has gotten worse. You would think it would be the other way because of all the micro terran has to do.

if you're good at micro you're good at it, so while your reaction times would probably suffer and you might cramp up you're still going to be able to do the movements well

on the other hand, as xeno and ZG were pointing out, zerg has to do a lot of really frustrating and irritating things in this MU like defending reaper/hellion/banshee, defending drops, and constantly pulling ling/bane back onto creep while terran is poking. being tired you would probably want to just bust into terran and stop fucking around with their annoying minefield guerrilla crap which is the wrong way to approach it, and snute has taken a lot of engagements exactly like that

Snute is at the point where he is failing basic macro, even though Zerg macro and micro mechanics aren't more taxing than Terran.

he's not "failing macro," he's overmaking defensive lings and falling behind in economy, then falling behind in supply by taking really bad engagements

a couple of games ago bunny was at like 90/150 supply without any major engagements happening so i think your characterization is inaccurate, clearly he's playing better and that's why he's winning but "snute is failing at macro" is wrong

Overmaking unnecessary units and then falling behind on overall supply by more than 40 without any major engagements aswell as missing injects seems to accurately describe failing macro to me.

overmaking defensive units has nothing to do with macro wtf are you talking about? that's a bad strategic choice that results in an economic disparity. failing at macro means missing your injects, missing macro hatches, idling larvae with a bank, etc. what you're saying is like saying if i play safe and you play greedy then i "failed at macro"

also you misread my post, BUNNY was at 90/150
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