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United States97277 Posts
On May 31 2015 06:54 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:49 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. I'm currently looking at a list of all people liquipedia has as being from the US. Its basically, in terms of people I'd expect to be able to get into premier Suppy Qxc Xeno Puck With Neeb being in there if he still played (does he?). Can't even count Qxc and Suppy. So it's really just Xeno and Puck. Xeno really should have got out of his group..... damn I forgot about Neeb. He looked strong last year. Then he must have stopped playing or something.
iAsonu has been playing really well lately in chinese tournaments and apparently has a pretty high ranking on the KR ladder. He just doesnt get a lot of attention since the chinese scene is so tucked away. I dont think it's safe to say that Xeno should have gotten out of his group. iA seems like the better player
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On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there.
And its not like it would solve the problem either. The LCS gets away with such strict residency requirements both because of the weekly live even aspect and the fact that every region has at least a competitive team or two. A "WCS USA" or even a true WCS AM wouldn't solve the issue of there being nearly no Americans, let alone Canadians or Major that can stand at the world stage. Honestly league got lucky the TSM/C9 exist in NA, Fnatic/SK in EU, and the lot of Chinese teams that, even before Korean imports, still could be great.
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On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there.
Well it's either we sort of fuck over 2 or 3 pros who have already wons tons of money and fame, and possibly save a scene or let NA rot like it has been for years.
We either go full region lock and give players some actual motivation to be the top of their scene, or we force Koreans to practice on NA and give them some our players some good practice so they can compete better on a world level. Right now we have neither of them and the problems are only getting worse
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On May 31 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:52 Shellshock wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. maybe they should at least make all the koreans even live/play in the regions like they "intended" instead of giving out special exceptions to players like Stardust so they can just have an easier time qualifying Just forbid cross server play for WCS competitors. Quite simple actually. NA ladder needs a revival. If they did that, every Korean more would actually help immensely when it comes to practice. Like having ForGG is definitely a huge plus for European players and Bunny and the other top players were actually sad when MC, First, Yoda and the rest left.
I have no idea why players were sad about MC and co leaving..
It's not like they came close to winning anything last year with a year full of Koreans in the EU ladder... -.-
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On May 31 2015 06:52 sharkie wrote:
US spots are really there only for the Koreans...
This is sad but true
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On May 31 2015 06:57 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:52 Shellshock wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. maybe they should at least make all the koreans even live/play in the regions like they "intended" instead of giving out special exceptions to players like Stardust so they can just have an easier time qualifying Just forbid cross server play for WCS competitors. Quite simple actually. NA ladder needs a revival. If they did that, every Korean more would actually help immensely when it comes to practice. Like having ForGG is definitely a huge plus for European players and Bunny and the other top players were actually sad when MC, First, Yoda and the rest left. I have no idea why players were sad about MC and co leaving.. It's not like they came close to winning anything last year with a year full of Koreans in the EU ladder... -.-
Because now it's hard for them to find good practice. So it's kinda like being sad and happy at the same time I guess? Sure they have it easier to win money now, but some top players actually care more about becoming better  .
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On May 31 2015 06:56 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:54 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:49 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. I'm currently looking at a list of all people liquipedia has as being from the US. Its basically, in terms of people I'd expect to be able to get into premier Suppy Qxc Xeno Puck With Neeb being in there if he still played (does he?). Can't even count Qxc and Suppy. So it's really just Xeno and Puck. Xeno really should have got out of his group..... damn I forgot about Neeb. He looked strong last year. Then he must have stopped playing or something. iAsonu has been playing really well lately in chinese tournaments and apparently has a pretty high ranking on the KR ladder. He just doesnt get a lot of attention since the chinese scene is so tucked away. I dont think it's safe to say that Xeno should have gotten out of his group. iA seems like the better player
True. I admit I don't know much about iA so I just assumed Xeno would beat him.
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Elentos
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On May 31 2015 06:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there. Well it's either we sort of fuck over 2 or 3 pros who have already wons tons of money and fame, and possibly save a scene or let NA rot like it has been for years.
Let's be real for a moment. If Polt, ForGG and Hydra hadn't been allowed to compete in season 1, do you think a player associated with the NA region would have won? No, their level is too low. As someone else said, the NA scene has to be revived another way (stronger moves against maphacks and forcing people to actually use their regional ladder for example).
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On May 31 2015 06:58 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:52 sharkie wrote:
US spots are really there only for the Koreans... This is sad but true
land of opportunities
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On May 31 2015 06:54 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:49 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. I'm currently looking at a list of all people liquipedia has as being from the US. Its basically, in terms of people I'd expect to be able to get into premier Suppy Qxc Xeno Puck With Neeb being in there if he still played (does he?). Can't even count Qxc and Suppy. So it's really just Xeno and Puck. Xeno really should have got out of his group..... damn I forgot about Neeb. He looked strong last year. Then he must have stopped playing or something.
Fun fact : there might be more Frenchmen in ro16 than US players able to qualify still active.
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On May 31 2015 06:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:57 sharkie wrote:On May 31 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:52 Shellshock wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. maybe they should at least make all the koreans even live/play in the regions like they "intended" instead of giving out special exceptions to players like Stardust so they can just have an easier time qualifying Just forbid cross server play for WCS competitors. Quite simple actually. NA ladder needs a revival. If they did that, every Korean more would actually help immensely when it comes to practice. Like having ForGG is definitely a huge plus for European players and Bunny and the other top players were actually sad when MC, First, Yoda and the rest left. I have no idea why players were sad about MC and co leaving.. It's not like they came close to winning anything last year with a year full of Koreans in the EU ladder... -.- Because now it's hard for them to find good practice. So it's kinda like being sad and happy at the same time I guess? Sure they have it easier to win money now, but some top players actually care more about becoming better .
Becoming better with the goal being what? I am pretty sure winning money is the top priority of every progamer... Regardless of nationality.
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Elentos
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On May 31 2015 07:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:59 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:57 sharkie wrote:On May 31 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:52 Shellshock wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:
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meh, doesn't count
Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. maybe they should at least make all the koreans even live/play in the regions like they "intended" instead of giving out special exceptions to players like Stardust so they can just have an easier time qualifying Just forbid cross server play for WCS competitors. Quite simple actually. NA ladder needs a revival. If they did that, every Korean more would actually help immensely when it comes to practice. Like having ForGG is definitely a huge plus for European players and Bunny and the other top players were actually sad when MC, First, Yoda and the rest left. I have no idea why players were sad about MC and co leaving.. It's not like they came close to winning anything last year with a year full of Koreans in the EU ladder... -.- Because now it's hard for them to find good practice. So it's kinda like being sad and happy at the same time I guess? Sure they have it easier to win money now, but some top players actually care more about becoming better . Becoming better with the goal being what? I am pretty sure winning money is the top priority of every progamer... Regardless of nationality.
Becoming better with the goal of not being embarassed by good Korean players.
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On May 31 2015 07:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:59 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:57 sharkie wrote:On May 31 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:On May 31 2015 06:52 Shellshock wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:
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meh, doesn't count
Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. maybe they should at least make all the koreans even live/play in the regions like they "intended" instead of giving out special exceptions to players like Stardust so they can just have an easier time qualifying Just forbid cross server play for WCS competitors. Quite simple actually. NA ladder needs a revival. If they did that, every Korean more would actually help immensely when it comes to practice. Like having ForGG is definitely a huge plus for European players and Bunny and the other top players were actually sad when MC, First, Yoda and the rest left. I have no idea why players were sad about MC and co leaving.. It's not like they came close to winning anything last year with a year full of Koreans in the EU ladder... -.- Because now it's hard for them to find good practice. So it's kinda like being sad and happy at the same time I guess? Sure they have it easier to win money now, but some top players actually care more about becoming better . Becoming better with the goal being what? I am pretty sure winning money is the top priority of every progamer... Regardless of nationality.
Well in the long run they could actually win championships due to the better practice and in the end win even more money I guess? Well anyway that's what Bunny said and I see his point, ask him yourself if you want to know more about his thoughts .
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On May 31 2015 07:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 06:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there. Well it's either we sort of fuck over 2 or 3 pros who have already wons tons of money and fame, and possibly save a scene or let NA rot like it has been for years. Let's be real for a moment. If Polt, ForGG and Hydra hadn't been allowed to compete in season 1, do you think a player associated with the NA region would have won? No, their level is too low. As someone else said, the NA scene has to be revived another way (stronger moves against maphacks and forcing people to actually use their regional ladder for example).
So we force better players to play on NA how? Making Koreans do games on it dind't really hellp because they half-assed the bare minimum amount, so what do we do? I mean, argueably the 2 best ladder players in NA in Scarlett and Kane are going to school at the end of the year so we lose them soon even. And Blizzard hasn't given a shit about maphackers for a long time we can't expect them to start now.
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lol iaguz doesn't know how to dodge storms
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 31 2015 07:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 07:02 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:On May 31 2015 06:38 Musicus wrote:
Well NA still has Polt, Hydra, SD and most likely Jaedong representing them at the finals I guess. meh, doesn't count Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there. Well it's either we sort of fuck over 2 or 3 pros who have already wons tons of money and fame, and possibly save a scene or let NA rot like it has been for years. Let's be real for a moment. If Polt, ForGG and Hydra hadn't been allowed to compete in season 1, do you think a player associated with the NA region would have won? No, their level is too low. As someone else said, the NA scene has to be revived another way (stronger moves against maphacks and forcing people to actually use their regional ladder for example). So we force better players to play on NA how? Making Koreans do games on it dind't really hellp because they half-assed the bare minimum amount, so what do we do? I mean, argueably the 2 best ladder players in NA in Scarlett and Kane are going to school at the end of the year so we lose them soon even. And Blizzard hasn't given a shit about maphackers for a long time we can't expect them to start now.
If the coaches in Proleague complain about maphacking rather than talk about their games, you know it's an issue. I have no idea why Blizzard is so lax about that, but it's a huge problem  .
As for the ladder, force the players playing in the NA region to practice on NA ladder for starters. Players like Stardust and JaeDong practice pretty much exclusively on the KR ladder.
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after 7groups : 6 groups were won by europeans
1 group was won by a korean (there was no european in that group), the only korean living in EU =D
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On May 31 2015 07:10 ossavi09 wrote:
after 7groups : 6 groups were won by europeans
1 group was won by a korean (there was no european in that group), the only korean living in EU =D
And Ro4 will have at least 3 Koreans :D
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On May 31 2015 07:10 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 07:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 07:02 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:53 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On May 31 2015 06:46 Elentos wrote:On May 31 2015 06:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:On May 31 2015 06:39 kaykoose wrote:
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meh, doesn't count
Can't even get a single NA player in here. Jesus christ... NA is 1 out of 32 ro16 players this year in WCS (Kane). That also mean that US is zero, none, nada*. * Not NaDa. I mean who from the US would be expected to get here? Qxc was just coming back from a break, are there any other american's that are actually good? NA does its duty by giving its spots to Koreans. It's times like these where I feel like we need full citizenship locking for WCS. No more Koreans period. Which would be unfair since GSL/SSL aren't region locked and some guys like Polt and ForGG would be forced to leave the regions if they wanted to continue to be pros, after years of living there. Well it's either we sort of fuck over 2 or 3 pros who have already wons tons of money and fame, and possibly save a scene or let NA rot like it has been for years. Let's be real for a moment. If Polt, ForGG and Hydra hadn't been allowed to compete in season 1, do you think a player associated with the NA region would have won? No, their level is too low. As someone else said, the NA scene has to be revived another way (stronger moves against maphacks and forcing people to actually use their regional ladder for example). So we force better players to play on NA how? Making Koreans do games on it dind't really hellp because they half-assed the bare minimum amount, so what do we do? I mean, argueably the 2 best ladder players in NA in Scarlett and Kane are going to school at the end of the year so we lose them soon even. And Blizzard hasn't given a shit about maphackers for a long time we can't expect them to start now. If the coaches in Proleague complain about maphacking rather than talk about their games, you know it's an issue. I have no idea why Blizzard is so lax about that, but it's a huge problem . As for the ladder, force the players playing in the NA region to practice on NA ladder for starters. Players like Stardust and JaeDong practice pretty much exclusively on the KR ladder.
Let's be real here, Blizzard is lax about hackers because they dont' dedicate the manpower to Sc2 to even come close to dealing with it. It's doubtful they ever will. As for your 2nd point, thats quite difficult to do with the prevelance of smurfs and barcodes, but that's basically the only way to do anything I guess.
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rofl mana wtf were you doing
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