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On May 29 2015 21:21 Odowan Paleolithic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced They both have beat maru before. Even if Polt come up and miraculously beat of the those 2 and lose to the other that is no good indication of anything.
I don't get what your trying to tell me
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Nice series of moves by FanTaSy to take the lead again.
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Impressive that he managed to break the contain. Looking good for Fanta now.
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On May 29 2015 21:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:20 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:18 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that. I don't dispute Parting as possible #1 PvT I just want him to go through more of the kr terran scene to prove it 100% is all How much more proof than 7-2 in maps vs Maru in 2015 do you need, really? For reference, herO vs Maru in 2015 is 6-7.
Him to beat more terrans I dunno. Some players just have the others number but this discussion is pointless anyway
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On May 29 2015 21:22 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:21 Odowan Paleolithic wrote:On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced They both have beat maru before. Even if Polt come up and miraculously beat of the those 2 and lose to the other that is no good indication of anything. I don't get what your trying to tell me
A lesser skilled player can play better by employing better strategies. Unless we have 5 different kind of marus we cannot quantify skill. Rating is just an estimate.
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I was about to make a comment on Fantasy macro but then I saw he had triple mineral income of the 1 of Gumiho...
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On May 29 2015 21:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Nice series of moves by FanTaSy to take the lead again.
Ok, 1-1 so.
Lmao, nice palyzz from FanTaSy.
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On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-7), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT 
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Sigh, fine Parting is #1 PvT by a country mile.
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On May 29 2015 21:25 GumBa wrote:
Sigh, fine Parting is #1 PvT by a country mile.
Indeed! I'm glad we have made you see the light 
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On May 29 2015 21:25 GumBa wrote:
Sigh, fine Parting is #1 PvT by a country mile.
Pleasing to see you accepting the only truth.
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On May 29 2015 21:25 GumBa wrote:
Sigh, fine Parting is #1 PvT by a country mile.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Give up your dark ways GumBa. Embrace the light.
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On May 29 2015 21:25 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still: Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung. herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0). I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements.
but whatever this is getting tiresome
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On May 29 2015 21:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:25 GumBa wrote:
Sigh, fine Parting is #1 PvT by a country mile. Pleasing to see you accepting the only truth.
I only accept this truth with footnote that the terrans will continue play this way(s).
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On May 29 2015 21:28 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:25 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still: Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung. herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0). I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome
I would actually prefer if people just ignored the numbers entirely because they mean very little compared to the content of the games themselves, but we can hardly expect people to actually watch the games they're discussing :o
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On May 29 2015 21:29 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:28 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:25 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:17 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:14 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 Elentos wrote:On May 29 2015 21:12 GumBa wrote:On May 29 2015 21:11 Zealously wrote:On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote:
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games Look at his opponents though GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him. Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying. Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still: Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung. herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0). I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome I would actually prefer if people just ignored the numbers entirely because they mean very little compared to the content of the games themselves, but we can hardly expect people to actually watch the games they're discussing :o
numbers are fine once they get relevant. Like Parting records vT. Main problem is that almost nobody knows how to use stats properly.
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