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[SPL] KT vs Jin Air Round 3 2015 - Page 33

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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18552 Posts
May 11 2015 13:20 GMT
#641
On May 11 2015 22:19 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:07 sharkie wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:47 sharkie wrote:
I guess KT will keep on losing matches. I wonder if they can manage to miss proleague playoffs with this roster

Life has to step up his proleague game imo, he should be the herO/Maru of KT, but he isn't


Nahhh. As others have stated Life just isn't a teamleague player. His playstyle doesn't really fit into Bo1s. It's Bo5+ where he really shines.

Zest needs to step it up. He has been underperforming for months (with IEM being the sole exception)


But Zest never was a super monster in PL either (in RR format). Imo the one who has to step it up is the coach. Zest is an ace caliber player but you can't send him every single time, it's too predictable. Why can't we mix it up with Flash and occasionally Stats, like last year?


because that's how KT staff works.
There was once a time in BW PL where the coach kept sending out Flash in ace match and the round ended with 6-7 with I think all seven losses coming from ace match losses.

Once KT are fixed on an ace player they just keep sending him out and out till the season ends.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 11 2015 13:34 GMT
#642
On May 11 2015 22:20 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:19 Silvana wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:07 sharkie wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:47 sharkie wrote:
I guess KT will keep on losing matches. I wonder if they can manage to miss proleague playoffs with this roster

Life has to step up his proleague game imo, he should be the herO/Maru of KT, but he isn't


Nahhh. As others have stated Life just isn't a teamleague player. His playstyle doesn't really fit into Bo1s. It's Bo5+ where he really shines.

Zest needs to step it up. He has been underperforming for months (with IEM being the sole exception)


But Zest never was a super monster in PL either (in RR format). Imo the one who has to step it up is the coach. Zest is an ace caliber player but you can't send him every single time, it's too predictable. Why can't we mix it up with Flash and occasionally Stats, like last year?


because that's how KT staff works.
There was once a time in BW PL where the coach kept sending out Flash in ace match and the round ended with 6-7 with I think all seven losses coming from ace match losses.

Once KT are fixed on an ace player they just keep sending him out and out till the season ends.


Last year KT sent Flash 5 times, Zest 3 and Stats 1. Not so fixed. This year tho all 7 ace matches were played by Zest, and lost 5 of them
I know nothing about coaching, but maybe it was Hoejja persuading HOT to make weird ace decisions? it certainly worked better than this year.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
May 11 2015 13:37 GMT
#643
hahaahh fuck yeah JIN AIR GREEN WINGS


GO HOME KT. YOUR PLAYERS SUCK IN PL
rip passion
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
May 11 2015 13:40 GMT
#644
On May 11 2015 22:07 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:47 sharkie wrote:
I guess KT will keep on losing matches. I wonder if they can manage to miss proleague playoffs with this roster

Life has to step up his proleague game imo, he should be the herO/Maru of KT, but he isn't


But Life never was a great team league player, was he? It's unreal to put those expectations on him.

People on team liquid are so quick to forget about his zenex days
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 11 2015 13:44 GMT
#645
On May 11 2015 22:40 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:07 Silvana wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:47 sharkie wrote:
I guess KT will keep on losing matches. I wonder if they can manage to miss proleague playoffs with this roster

Life has to step up his proleague game imo, he should be the herO/Maru of KT, but he isn't


But Life never was a great team league player, was he? It's unreal to put those expectations on him.

People on team liquid are so quick to forget about his zenex days


I wasn't around by that time I'm just parroting others (that's why I phrased it as a question) and looked up to his 5-5 record last year on IM, a team that I think needed him more than KT this year.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-11 13:50:42
May 11 2015 13:49 GMT
#646
On May 11 2015 22:07 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:47 sharkie wrote:
I guess KT will keep on losing matches. I wonder if they can manage to miss proleague playoffs with this roster

Life has to step up his proleague game imo, he should be the herO/Maru of KT, but he isn't


But Life never was a great team league player, was he? It's unreal to put those expectations on him.

I don't buy this "he just isn't a team league player" tbh.
Life is a world class sc2 player, so he should be doing well in any format you can throw at him imo.
Maybe the coaching staff is responsible too, but i would expect a way better proleague performance from "the best player in the world"
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#647
Yay, Rogue beat life again ^^
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Julek
Profile Joined April 2009
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-11 14:19:35
May 11 2015 14:09 GMT
#648
Anyone know why I can't watch any of the Proleague vods on Twitch? :O

Edit: Thank you SasI!
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 11 2015 14:17 GMT
#649
On May 11 2015 23:09 Julek wrote:
Anyone know why I can't watch any of the Proleague vods on Twitch? :O


no idea but they should be up shortly on youtube at the very least.
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 11 2015 14:25 GMT
#650
good win Jin Air!
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necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
May 11 2015 14:50 GMT
#651
can the KT coach please stop fielding Zest in ace matches?
i don't care if he lost an earlier match, FIELD LIFE
HooHooH
Profile Joined January 2015
165 Posts
May 11 2015 14:51 GMT
#652
Can you stop sending Zest out in ACE matches please KT for the love of god.............
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
May 11 2015 15:31 GMT
#653
At this point zest should just straight up refuse to play ace matches. He already has lost a bunch of those. They don't send Flash for ace because he doesn't "feel ready". What about Life? What about TY or Stats?
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 11 2015 15:49 GMT
#654
On May 11 2015 04:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
(T)Flash > (T)Cure
(P)Zest < (P)sOs
(Z)Life > (Z)Rogue
(P)Stats < (T)Maru

(Z)Life < (T)Maru

Chose Life to be fielded because that seemed more logical, but my gut feeling that they'd send Zest and lose right. Huh.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 11 2015 16:58 GMT
#655
On May 12 2015 00:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 04:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
(T)Flash > (T)Cure
(P)Zest < (P)sOs
(Z)Life > (Z)Rogue
(P)Stats < (T)Maru

(Z)Life < (T)Maru

Chose Life to be fielded because that seemed more logical, but my gut feeling that they'd send Zest and lose right. Huh.

Life is slumping super hard right now
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
May 11 2015 17:01 GMT
#656
On May 12 2015 01:58 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 00:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 11 2015 04:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
(T)Flash > (T)Cure
(P)Zest < (P)sOs
(Z)Life > (Z)Rogue
(P)Stats < (T)Maru

(Z)Life < (T)Maru

Chose Life to be fielded because that seemed more logical, but my gut feeling that they'd send Zest and lose right. Huh.

Life is slumping super hard right now


Totally. He lost a few ZvZ lately. Has to be a super hard slump.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 11 2015 17:32 GMT
#657
On May 12 2015 02:01 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:58 Shellshock wrote:
On May 12 2015 00:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 11 2015 04:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
(T)Flash > (T)Cure
(P)Zest < (P)sOs
(Z)Life > (Z)Rogue
(P)Stats < (T)Maru

(Z)Life < (T)Maru

Chose Life to be fielded because that seemed more logical, but my gut feeling that they'd send Zest and lose right. Huh.

Life is slumping super hard right now


Totally. He lost a few ZvZ lately. Has to be a super hard slump.

maybe even super duper but I wasn't sure if I wanted to go that far with it
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 11 2015 17:37 GMT
#658
On May 12 2015 02:32 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 02:01 Swisslink wrote:
On May 12 2015 01:58 Shellshock wrote:
On May 12 2015 00:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 11 2015 04:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
(T)Flash > (T)Cure
(P)Zest < (P)sOs
(Z)Life > (Z)Rogue
(P)Stats < (T)Maru

(Z)Life < (T)Maru

Chose Life to be fielded because that seemed more logical, but my gut feeling that they'd send Zest and lose right. Huh.

Life is slumping super hard right now


Totally. He lost a few ZvZ lately. Has to be a super hard slump.

maybe even super duper but I wasn't sure if I wanted to go that far with it

You can go with super duper. He's reaching INnoVation-level of slump soon.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
May 11 2015 18:11 GMT
#659
On May 11 2015 23:50 necrosexy wrote:
can the KT coach please stop fielding Zest in ace matches?
i don't care if he lost an earlier match, FIELD LIFE


can the KT coach please stop fielding Zest in ace matches?
i don't care if he won an earliet match, FIELD FLASH
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 11 2015 18:29 GMT
#660
Had such a good feeling after the first two games. Shame about Life losing his game. Maru beating Protoss is almost a given by now, so I can't understand why the coaches keep fielding Zest in the ace. Life next time, damn it.
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