EPTOn April 27 2015 14:38 Arkaim wrote:
So we had our show match. What did it teach us about Double Harvest?
So we had our show match. What did it teach us about Double Harvest?
It's useless. There's still very little reason to ever go above 3-4 bases
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
It's useless. There's still very little reason to ever go above 3-4 bases | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 27 2015 14:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's useless. There's still very little reason to ever go above 3-4 bases It's really hard to defend 5 mining bases as P >_> | ||
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Bacon_Infinity
Canada212 Posts
Changes are more subtle than a lot of people expected but if the maps made it slightly easier to defend the 4th-6th bases then it would be worth it to play for more greed. As of right now it looked like a giant investment to keep your additional bases able to mine but it did create some very cool scrappy games where both sides were bouncing between 100 supply and max quite often by harrassing and defending | ||
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Ashent
Korea (South)109 Posts
I honestly feel like mid-masters players with a week of practice in it could give us some really entertaining games. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
On April 27 2015 14:38 Arkaim wrote: So we had our show match. What did it teach us about Double Harvest? I learned that force fields. | ||
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
On April 27 2015 11:13 FabledIntegral wrote: To be quite honest, I have no clue how they implemented it and 5+4 is totally made up by me.  I know it is 9overall in two trips of mining. And I know that it is impossible to do 4.5+4.5, it has to be integers. So 5+4 is just my guess how they implemented it. zeromus commented its actually triple harvesting in the how to play thread, if i remember correctly | ||
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zerge
Germany162 Posts
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BlackLilium
Poland426 Posts
On April 27 2015 16:13 annedeman wrote: zeromus commented its actually triple harvesting in the how to play thread, if i remember correctly It is now DH 3x3, that is: - each worker harvest 3 times per trip - each harvest gives 3 minerals Workers do not bounce that much before 16, but second worker on mineral patch loses some time because of the first worker. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote: if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] + Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him. "Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went. Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night! The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?" "I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear. When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up. And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed. "I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA". "Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless... Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Bacon_Infinity
Canada212 Posts
On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] + Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him. "Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went. Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night! The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?" "I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear. When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up. And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed. "I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA". "Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless... Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END That was so beautiful | ||
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BlackLilium
Poland426 Posts
How long does it usually take till they are published? Hours? Days? Weeks? Update: I see the VOD... but seems the audio is muted due to copyright stuff.... (what!?!?) | ||
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Bacon_Infinity
Canada212 Posts
On April 27 2015 18:57 BlackLilium wrote: Still hoping for those VODs or replays.... How long does it usually take till they are published? Hours? Days? Weeks? Update: I see the VOD... but seems the audio is muted due to copyright stuff.... (what!?!?) That was another one of our many screwups (we usually locally record a copy and upload that to youtube) but honestly it would have been better if the entire video got muted. We suggest listening without sound because its like...............................bad | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2275 Posts
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Bacon_Infinity
Canada212 Posts
On April 27 2015 19:17 SharkStarcraft wrote: If i may be honest here the casting quality was really lackluster. The casters just clearly lacked game knowledge and the audio quality was way off too. Still nice games though and i'm sure you guys will improve Glad you see some potential :p the technical difficulties kind of threw us off our game | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On April 27 2015 14:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's useless. There's still very little reason to ever go above 3-4 bases Did they even try something different than usual? If you play standard then obviously you won't see the changes because your build orders/timings are all based on the fact that you saturate (16) your mineral lines as soon as possible. Maybe it's useless to invite progamers for these kind of showmatches. You should rather find players who have tested it consistently. | ||
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dangthatsright
1160 Posts
On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] + Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him. "Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went. Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night! The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?" "I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear. When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up. And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed. "I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA". "Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless... Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END Um. Okay then. | ||
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Bacon_Infinity
Canada212 Posts
On April 27 2015 20:01 KingAlphard wrote: Did they even try something different than usual? If you play standard then obviously you won't see the changes because your build orders/timings are all based on the fact that you saturate (16) your mineral lines as soon as possible. Maybe it's useless to invite progamers for these kind of showmatches. You should rather find players who have tested it consistently. It's a tough situation because the best people to base balance around are the top level professional players but because they are professionals in the current system they have very little motivation to actually try changes. For example, we let Parting know exactly what was going to be different and how his play would be affected, he did a bit of his own research but we can't expect him to have made up special build orders or anything considering that he has to be practicing for his Code S match this week | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 27 2015 20:01 KingAlphard wrote: Did they even try something different than usual? If you play standard then obviously you won't see the changes because your build orders/timings are all based on the fact that you saturate (16) your mineral lines as soon as possible. Maybe it's useless to invite progamers for these kind of showmatches. You should rather find players who have tested it consistently. This. Top5 world players are not needed to test such changes, especially as they have their own tight schedule! | ||
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JCoto
Spain574 Posts
In order to find a new economy, saturation has to drop heavily while going for the 2nd line of workers. Simply because that makes maxing processes slower, and the effect when expanding is more noticeable. DH model is very low on real advantage, see Lalush' graphs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/483640-economy-data-collection-thread-hots-dh10-dh8 ZeromuS has been really reluctant and negative to try BW/ SBow econ models, but the naked truth is that they achieve more effect than DH, since there is a lot of actual bouncing. Maps are also quite important. It's time to go back to SC roots. I hope that the Dev team is able to rework the income curve at their will by worker AI. | ||
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