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Why did you use "DD Experimental" and not "Double Harvest [TL]"?
Watching the game number 1.
Seems at least Scarlett adapted to the DH mode, maybe even too much, expanding more than it is safe and necessary.
However, notice when the natural expansion is taken, numerous drones are immediately transferred, so that both main and natural are closer to 8:8 and not 16:0.
In standard that would not be required. Few moments later we read "wow, so rich" - suggesting that she feels the slight income benefit already.
She then transferred 6 workers again to 3rd, while keeping 8 at natural - which would again not be that useful in Standard.
Those are still small differences, but probably noticeable on the high level of play. Probably she was able to take the 3rd a bit earlier than expected.
At the same time PartinG didn't transfer, and was on 12:4 distribution. He was a bit lower on minerals (again: small difference, but noticeable).
Watching the game number 2 - I think the resources was not the main problem.
Scarlett maxed up many times, floating at 2000+ minerals and gas.
At least until she was hit really hard, losing expos and drones - at which time the game was practically lost.
Watching the game number 3 - thank you for the income tab.
For the brief moment when 4th base was available - you can see that Scarlett's income is at 1600 MpM, while PartinG only at 1300.
Sadly she was not strong enough to defend the 4th against a straightforward attack to capitalize on it.
Watching the game number 4 - so much cheese 
Game number 5 - during the Scarlett's cheese we see that 12 workers give about 85% income compared to 18 workers of PartinG.
In normal game it would be closer to 67%. This gives her a bit more zerglings to play with...
Thank you for brining up the income tab. 3 vs 2 bases with ~50 workers (some were on gas) showed a solid 30% benefit.
Unfortunately it didn't translate into enough forces on the field 
Some additional notes:
I am hearing more and more of this "8 worker saturation", which is misleading!
It is true that first 8 workers have maximum efficiency, but it is hardly a saturation point.
9-16 workers still give major income boost at about 70-80% efficiency!
The "worker pairing" is misleading as well
Seems you got confused yourself: you probably saw that workers do pair and thought that this is not DH9, leaving the game...
DH9 achieves a decreased income curve in range 8-16 just by having one worker wait for another at the mineral patch.
Only at 17+ workers start to bounce a lot.
You don't lose that much when you pull workers away from the mineral patch, because when it harvested 1/3 or 2/3, this is remembered with the unit.
However, with worker sitting more at the mineral patch, it is easier to catch them with harassment.
On April 27 2015 20:22 JCoto wrote:
ZeromuS has been really reluctant and negative to try BW/ SBow econ models, but the naked truth is that they achieve more effect than DH, since there is a lot of actual bouncing. Maps are also quite important. It's time to go back to SC roots
Bouncing is not the only way to reduce income in 8-16 range.
Personally, I felt that Starbow was actually hitting the 16 workers too much and was looking for specifically weaker solutions.
You can compare Starbow to DH 3x3 (old version, from 2014) here:
http://imgur.com/9YbRFTm
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i wonder why you should get 9 minerals. thats such an arbitrary number.
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On April 27 2015 12:31 Bacon_Infinity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 12:21 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On April 27 2015 10:46 Deathstar wrote:
rofl Parting has 70 workers in 3 bases, where his main is almost dry
70/3 ~ 23.33
So someone should tell the casters/admins to tell the players to play more in line with the new eco You know honestly if we could have more bases safely and for free then yea we could 'play more in line with the new eco' Unfortunately thats not the case in sc2 yeah it seems like we would need maps designed specifically with this system in mind for it to work, bases past your third are too difficult to defend on many in the current pool on another note: Sorry for the atrocious production of this event. It is just about right that the biggest and most hyped thing we have ever done for the sc2 scene went crashing and burning into the ground Thanks to everyone who came out, we really appreciate your support and feedback <3<3<3
Really happy you did it, it was interesting to see the games. Hope you get your broadcasting sorted a bit more for next time!
Hope you will do more!
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On April 27 2015 18:55 Bacon_Infinity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END That was so beautiful
I'm glad one person liked it at least. I wrote that whole thing on my phone it wasn't easy 
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On April 27 2015 20:39 BlackLilium wrote:The "worker pairing" is misleading as well Seems you got confused yourself: you probably saw that workers do pair and thought that this is not DH9, leaving the game... DH9 achieves a decreased income curve in range 8-16 just by having one worker wait for another at the mineral patch. Only at 17+ workers start to bounce a lot. You don't lose that much when you pull workers away from the mineral patch, because when it harvested 1/3 or 2/3, this is remembered with the unit. However, with worker sitting more at the mineral patch, it is easier to catch them with harassment. Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 20:22 JCoto wrote:
ZeromuS has been really reluctant and negative to try BW/ SBow econ models, but the naked truth is that they achieve more effect than DH, since there is a lot of actual bouncing. Maps are also quite important. It's time to go back to SC roots Bouncing is not the only way to reduce income in 8-16 range. Personally, I felt that Starbow was actually hitting the 16 workers too much and was looking for specifically weaker solutions. You can compare Starbow to DH 3x3 (old version, from 2014) here: http://imgur.com/9YbRFTm
Not, I'm not confused. I know that in DH workers don't bounce much, but the antipairing effect is applied by wait times on mineral nodes. I know how it works, I messed a lot with econ mods since Kantuva's first article about worker pairing (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/479750-lotv-economy-worker-pairing).
I said about BW/Starbow econ since there, the economy effect is far more accusated, since the 16 worker cap is less efficient than on DH/HotS and the econ effect on lower worker count is higher, with a higher expander advantage (moving up to a 30%). Simply, the SBow econ optimizes 8-10 worker setups while makes 16 workers less efficient than on HotS, emphasizing the targeted effect, while DH keeps a more uniform and flatter income curve, keeping higher worker counts relatively efficient.
Maybe we need drastic changes to the econ to really notice the effect.
So far, DH9 has been an improvement, but I think that we have to give an opportunity to SBow/BW econ models, which have been extensively tested by SBow mod for more than a year.
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So was there enough improvement to convince Blizzard executives to spend money on engineers to make changes to what they already considered a finished game?
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JCoto, I never doubted that you understand DH and Starbow. I wrote it as a comment to the VODs.
Your name, in a quotation, appears only later of my post, and the only reason all this is together was because I wanted to avoid double-posting.
I am not in favor of Starbow for the reasons stated before, as well as my original thread. I don't think such a drastic change as you proposed is the right way to go. But all this is a personal opinion that we don't have to agree on
What we do agree - I hope - is that we need more testing, more games. I thank Bacon_Infinity and everyone behind it for making this game happen, despite all the problems that occurred. I am sure next take on it will be better!
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On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END
replace scarlett with harstem and show this to parting
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I think the efficiency curve needs to be more exaggerated, as in if you go past the 8 worker optimal #, your increase in income per additional worker falls so rapidly, that you might as well expand or not make any more workers, or something like this
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On April 28 2015 00:03 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END replace scarlett with harstem and show this to parting
But then it's not all zergs and it doesn't work as well... i might still show it to Parting though.
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On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END
The writing was amateur, but the twists and turns had me at the edge of my seat, thinking, "what's going to happen next?" I rate this somewhere between Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet and Twilight 
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On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END
Sitting in the library reading this is really making me question what I'm doing with my life
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On April 28 2015 01:29 nick00bot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 17:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On April 27 2015 13:41 Lunareste wrote:
if I learned anything from this showmatch, it's that I really want to read some Parting/Scarlett fanfiction Done. What in gods name have I done. + Show Spoiler [Partings Wild Night] +Parting felt on top of the world. After a gruelling day of play, he was walking out of Dreamhack Tours with another championship under his belt. It wasn't easy, he had to use all 3 builds in his arsenal, he even had to take a 4th base in one game! But that was behind him now, and he was looking to unwind. There was to be an after party at the hotel, and Parting new he wouldn't want to miss it. A few pictures with fans that he didn't want to take, a few autographs none of these French people would be able to read, and he was out the door. As he was about to hop into a cab to head back to the hotel, a unique and recognizable voice called out behind him.
"Parting! You aren't just gonna leave so soon are you?" Sasha said as she pushed pushed Parting into the cab as she followed. "I told you we were gonna party after Dreamhack, I know a cool club, let's go!" The said a name the the driver, and off they went.
Parting was taken aback a little. He hadn't expected this at all. As they started on their way, Scarlett leaned in and pit her head in his shoulder. If he was aback before, he was now thoroughly confused. Then he remembered the showmatch. He recalled joking with Scarlett a few weeks prior during some random dumb showmatch, but he never thought that his over the top silly flirting would actually maybe start working. He tried to remember all he said, about his shyness and the partying, but it wasn't coming back to him in full. He didn't really care anymore though, this was turning into an interesting night!
The club came into view, and Scarlett had the driver stop by the front door. Unbelievably, Scarlett herself payed for the cab! "A pretty girl taking me out and paying for everything after I just won? This is a dream come true!" The club was busy, but when you have a girl with you, you get in surprisingly quick. The place was banging, you couldn't hear yourself think. Scarlett motioned over to the bar and Parting followed. Again, even after he had insisted again and again, she was paying. A few shots each, and Scarlett took him by the hand and led him to the floor. Parting wasnt much of a drinker, he recalled the time he had run into his teammates room after a different tournament shouting "I WANT SEX!", and the few drinks had already made him quite tipsy and disoriented. But when you find yourself in this situation, you can't stop or slow down. So they danced, by themselves and with each other and with others. Parting had no idea how to dance and felt awkward, but the body language of Sasha implied that she didn't mind, or didn't even notice. A few times they went from the bar to the floor and back again, and everytime Sasha danced with him a little more. Never had a girl seemed so into him... This was unreal. Finally his years allining were getting him somewhere. He had money enough, but this is the kind of action he'd been missing. The night went on, but Parting had lost track of time. Scarlett had gone off to the washroom and he was drinking by himself. This was when he decided.He was pushing wasted and he didn't care anymore, he wanted this night to end perfect. His nerves had gone, and he finally was able to say to her when she returned "Want to go back to the hotel for a little fun, honey?"
"I thought you'd never ask", she replied with a wink. This was it. It was on like Donkey Kong. They swiftly left the club and hopped in a cab back to the hotel. Parting was getting restless, and didn't know exactly what to do. He tried to make a move, but she politely blocked his first advance with a "I have a surprise for you back at the hotel" and that was all Parting needed to hear.
When they arrived, the swiftly moved up to her hotel room. She pushed open the door and drug him in so quickly he almost fell over. "How about one more drink?" She said, and she already had a drink prepared for him. He wasn't sure where she'd gotten it from, but he was too far gone to care. He took the whole thing in one gulp and was ready to pounce. Scarlett said she had to go to the washroom first, and then he'd be in for his surprise. He laid on the bed and waiting. He was never so excited. He waited... and waited... and waited. He wondered what was taking so long. He started to think about how the night had led up to here, and he started to notice something. The way she was overly flirtatious, the way she had denied his advances despite seeming so interested, the hotel room not being locked, the drink that appeared out of nowhere. Something wasn't adding up.
And then it hit him. He felt dizzy, and not in a drunk way. He tried to stand but he fell as he rose. He laid there for a second, and as he looked up Scarlett was now standing over him. "It's finally kicking in..." Her voice trailed off as Parting began to lose consciousness. The set up had worked
Parting awoke in a panic. He tried to move, but his hands and feet were restrained. He was tried to the bed, and his pounding head darted across the room looking for answers. His vision was blurry, but he could make out Scarlett... and two more figures. After a moment, the trio realized the their captive had awoke. They approached and Parting saw who the other two were and knew he was in trouble. The two before him were none other than Jaedong and Life. Jaedong was a player he had always done well against, his 2 base all ins had been unstoppable against him. And Scarlett was always a whiner, she hated his style and herself had gotten crushed time and time again. But Life didn't make sense. "LIFE YOI WERE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT!" he screamed.
"I wouldn't miss this for the world. With you out of the picture, I'll be #1 on Aligulac. HAHA".
"Your reign of bullshit has gone on for long enough, Parting. We, and by extension the zergs of the world, have had enough" Scarlett spoke in a serious and ominous tone. From behind Jaedongs back came a knife, and Partings heart sank. He was done for. The knife was held above him. It was hopeless...
Suddenly a loud BANG and the door came flying inwards. Scarlett and Life were knocked off their feet. The 3 Zergs looked in awe. At the door was A FUCKING IMMORTAL, and it looked pissed. In a moment of quick thinking, Jaedong rushed the Protoss with the knife, but just before he could get in range a forcefield appeared out of nowhere. The Immortal walked in and blasted the place up, and behind it was a group of zealots and sentries. The zealots untied Parting and said to him "En Taro, Parting" and they all warped back to Aiur and had a great big Protoss party with many beautiful Protoss ladies. THE END Sitting in the library reading this is really making me question what I'm doing with my life
How do you think I felt writing it at 2am on my phone cause I couldn't sleep?
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On April 27 2015 23:22 BlackLilium wrote:JCoto, I never doubted that you understand DH and Starbow. I wrote it as a comment to the VODs. Your name, in a quotation, appears only later of my post, and the only reason all this is together was because I wanted to avoid double-posting. I am not in favor of Starbow for the reasons stated before, as well as my original thread. I don't think such a drastic change as you proposed is the right way to go. But all this is a personal opinion that we don't have to agree on What we do agree - I hope - is that we need more testing, more games. I thank Bacon_Infinity and everyone behind it for making this game happen, despite all the problems that occurred. I am sure next take on it will be better!
Sorry, I misread that a bit.
I also think that we need a lot of testing, and what's more, testing on HotS and on LotV once the "balance" gets a bit more equal and defined for all three races. HotS and LotV are really different since in LotV, with the faster game start, "build order wins" have less impact than on HotS (consider a theoreticall balanced situation, even if LotV is broken right now in many aspects)
However, I think that in HotS meta, DH9 is insufficient, as the income rates move too similar to HotS econ when on 16 workers, meaning that the effect is very very subtle. For example, 2 base Toss vs 3 base Zerg from what we saw in the dedicated matchup is almost the same. Numerical advantage from spreading workers on 4 bases from Scarlett was very very subtle, as Lalush' graphs predicted.
To produce a change, we'd need to optimize the income around a lower worker count (f.e. 12 workers) and reduce the maximum income per base. If the 16 worker "soft cap" doesn't change, the meta is not going to promote very noticeable changes, since we will be still playing around the 3-base cap.
However, DH9 would be very interesting to see in ZvT vs mech.
Also, I valorate a lot your effort and dedication in the model
Simply, I'm pro-change to test more drastic options. I also think that a BW econ and decreased income at high number of workers promotes more expansions and early aggression with limited production, something that is very interesting strategically. LotV econ model also experiments with reduced econ, and the results are IMAO quite satisfying in that aspect. Probably LotV econ is interesting in that single aspect only XD.
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On April 27 2015 23:17 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 23:02 Thieving Magpie wrote:
So was there enough improvement to convince Blizzard executives to spend money on engineers to make changes to what they already considered a finished game? They already have the staff in place, and it would take 1 of them less than an hour to implement such a change. Still watching games now. Change seems subtle, but I'm still convinced an efficiency curve is better (though maybe DH9 implementation is not ideal). Do keep in mind this is a very small sample set.
That's not how funding from upper management works in a large company. Everything they do must be approve and charged to a specific team for specific reasons. It's not a question of "does blizzard have the money" it's a question of is this example convincing to number-crunchers in suits who have final say on what products get funded, by how much, for what reasons.
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are the replays posted somewhere?
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