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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight.
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This isn't looking good for qxc
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On April 29 2015 07:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:38 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D: His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?
After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.
It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.
Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents. But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken. He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals). I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone. Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone. I mean, in theory, INnoVation is still superior mechanically than most players though. He shouldn't lose as hard as he has been recently if that was all there's to it.
I think he is. Its just that the gap isn't as big as it used to be.
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Look at violets creep spread, 15min center of the map
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 29 2015 07:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:38 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D: His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?
After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.
It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.
Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents. But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken. He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals). I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone. Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone. I mean, in theory, INnoVation is still superior mechanically than most players though. He shouldn't lose as hard as he has been recently if that was all there's to it.
I think players have slowly caught up (in mechanics). Coupled with that his decisions have gotten worse and he doesn't know how to make comebacks and he has bad nerves, there are a lot of holes in his play.
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QXC won't win this series, huh? :/
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United States97276 Posts
violet is playing better than I expected. idk why but I just thought violet would do worse
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 29 2015 07:42 GumBa wrote:
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight.
Pretty sure that honor goes to Jjakji/Seed
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Poll: CompLexity Gaming qxc vs Team EnVyUs viOlet (Game 2)One of the best this season (0) 0% Highly recommended (0) 0% Good game (0) 0% Not recommended (3) 100% Do not see this game (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: CompLexity Gaming qxc vs Team EnVyUs viOlet (Game 2) (Vote): One of the best this season
(Vote): Highly recommended
(Vote): Good game
(Vote): Not recommended
(Vote): Do not see this game
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game sounds are really low
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On April 29 2015 07:45 Shellshock wrote:
violet is playing better than I expected. idk why but I just thought violet would do worse
me too
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On April 29 2015 07:45 Shellshock wrote:
violet is playing better than I expected. idk why but I just thought violet would do worse
I have this impression of violet as a washed out player. So he's like mid foreigner level. But qxc is pretty weak too. He lost a game to avilo
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Well this seems like a stroll in the park for  viOLet
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On April 29 2015 07:45 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:42 GumBa wrote:
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight. Pretty sure that honor goes to Jjakji/Seed
I wouldn't be so hard on Jjakji. He's clawed his way back to being a top terran occasionally. Seed on the other hand...
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On April 29 2015 07:46 AWalker9 wrote:Well this seems like a stroll in the park for viOLet
Sadly true, but COME ON qxc 
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On April 29 2015 07:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:41 Elentos wrote:On April 29 2015 07:38 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D: His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?
After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.
It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.
Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents. But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken. He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals). I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone. Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone. I mean, in theory, INnoVation is still superior mechanically than most players though. He shouldn't lose as hard as he has been recently if that was all there's to it. I think players have slowly caught up (in mechanics). Coupled with that his decisions have gotten worse and he doesn't know how to make comebacks and he has bad nerves, there are a lot of holes in his play.
Yeah his decisions and his nerves aren't great, that's true. I remember his game on MGR vs Life in Code S, which was basically the exact opposite of Life vs Dream on that map in SSL. One of them kept their cool, the other got lost along the way.
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On April 29 2015 07:47 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:42 GumBa wrote:
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight. Pretty sure that honor goes to Jjakji/Seed I wouldn't be so hard on Jjakji. He's clawed his way back to being a top terran occasionally. Seed on the other hand...
...beat Life in the first Code B this year.
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On April 29 2015 07:45 Shellshock wrote:
violet is playing better than I expected. idk why but I just thought violet would do worse
You probably saw his performance in the last WCS. 
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On April 29 2015 07:49 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:47 royalroadweed wrote:On April 29 2015 07:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:42 GumBa wrote:
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight. Pretty sure that honor goes to Jjakji/Seed I wouldn't be so hard on Jjakji. He's clawed his way back to being a top terran occasionally. Seed on the other hand... ...beat Life in the first Code B this year.
Upsets happen occasionally.
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On April 29 2015 07:47 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 07:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 29 2015 07:42 GumBa wrote:
I think everyone can agree that INno is in literally the worst slump in sc2 history. I mean it's even worse than the MMA-Slayers drama slump and DRG's broken mind slump put together. I really hope we see a patch buffing terran so it can revitalise INnoVations career.
And with those words I wish you all a goodnight. Pretty sure that honor goes to Jjakji/Seed I wouldn't be so hard on Jjakji. He's clawed his way back to being a top terran occasionally. Seed on the other hand...
Jjakji was forever demolished at last year's IEM WC Katowice when sOs killed him with carriers. All downhill from there.
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