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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:30 GMT
#261
On April 29 2015 07:28 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:27 mikumegurine wrote:
Polt
Hydra
ForGG
Stardust
Jaedong
Violet

top 6 WCS finals lets GO!!


Captain America needs to gather the Avengers to stop Red Skull Hydra and his forces!

Captain America has to do this mission solo
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 28 2015 22:31 GMT
#262
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
April 28 2015 22:31 GMT
#263
QXC with keyboard issues? For real?

"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 28 2015 22:31 GMT
#264
Poll: qxc vs violet (game 1)

Good game (3)
 
75%

Highly recommended (1)
 
25%

One of the best this season (0)
 
0%

Not recommended (0)
 
0%

Do not see (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: qxc vs violet (game 1)

(Vote): One of the best this season
(Vote): Highly recommended
(Vote): Good game
(Vote): Not recommended
(Vote): Do not see



Hope I wasn't being cheeky adding a poll. Little eager beaver.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 28 2015 22:32 GMT
#265
On April 29 2015 07:27 mikumegurine wrote:
Polt
Hydra
ForGG
Stardust
Jaedong
Violet

top 6 WCS finals lets GO!!

I would be surprised if stardust, violet and maybe even jaedong make it past Bunny.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
April 28 2015 22:32 GMT
#266
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?


Show nested quote +

After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

Well he can always ask Sorry for optimal proxy reaper spots for every map.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:32 GMT
#267
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?


Show nested quote +

After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 28 2015 22:32 GMT
#268
On April 29 2015 07:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:28 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:27 mikumegurine wrote:
Polt
Hydra
ForGG
Stardust
Jaedong
Violet

top 6 WCS finals lets GO!!


Captain America needs to gather the Avengers to stop Red Skull Hydra and his forces!

He did it on his own in season 1. So the real question is, which of them is the Winter Soldier?


My bet is ForGG, based on this video at some point he was near Russia:

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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:33 GMT
#269
On April 29 2015 07:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

Well he can always ask Sorry for optimal proxy reaper spots for every map.

He can't even do that, bless him.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
April 28 2015 22:34 GMT
#270
On April 29 2015 07:32 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:27 mikumegurine wrote:
Polt
Hydra
ForGG
Stardust
Jaedong
Violet

top 6 WCS finals lets GO!!

I would be surprised if stardust, violet and maybe even jaedong make it past Bunny.

Dude. Stardust can always go back to his roots. Unleash the Cheesedust, open new pages in the great book of Protoss bullshit.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 28 2015 22:34 GMT
#271
The only way Innovation might get good again is to join SBENU
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 28 2015 22:35 GMT
#272
On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.


He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals).
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 28 2015 22:35 GMT
#273
On April 29 2015 07:32 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:30 Elentos wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:27 mikumegurine wrote:
Polt
Hydra
ForGG
Stardust
Jaedong
Violet

top 6 WCS finals lets GO!!


Captain America needs to gather the Avengers to stop Red Skull Hydra and his forces!

He did it on his own in season 1. So the real question is, which of them is the Winter Soldier?


My bet is ForGG, based on this video at some point he was near Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtXsOqCXK-4


I love this video, but is there some story behind it? Or is it like ForGG coming to rape and pillage a tournie near you
rip passion
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:35 GMT
#274
On April 29 2015 07:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
The only way Innovation might get good again is to join SBENU

The only true hope in sc2. But even then he would need to grind out 1-2 years as a b teamer
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:36 GMT
#275
On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.


He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals).

I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 28 2015 22:37 GMT
#276
On the topic of Captain America vs Red Hydra, I suggest Bunny should be falcon.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 28 2015 22:38 GMT
#277
On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.


He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals).

I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone.


Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 28 2015 22:39 GMT
#278
On April 29 2015 07:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.


He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals).

I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone.


Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone.

That I completly agree with. Sick Mechanics coupled with a few good moves is a strong combo. Sadly he doesnt make a lot of good deciseons often T_T
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 28 2015 22:41 GMT
#279
Nate dropping the knowledge.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
April 28 2015 22:41 GMT
#280
On April 29 2015 07:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 07:36 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:35 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:32 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:28 GumBa wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:26 stuchiu wrote:
On April 29 2015 07:22 GumBa wrote:
INnoVation wishing he was as good as Qxc


In a way I kind of predicted the fall of Inno in the GOAT list D:

His fall was before that, but now I am interested in how you predicted it?



After he had come up with the most refined builds, he started learning how to micro his units while churning out an endless stream of units. He then came to the realization that if he could put enough pressure and harassment and attack on the opponent that he could take the strategical aspects of SC2 out of the equation and try to force the game into a battle of mechanics, a battle in which he was the superior.

It is that methodical strategic outlook focused on efficiency which has made him the model in which KeSPA teams have tried to mold their terrans into. After all, strategy, tactics, in-game decision making, game sense, those are all things that are extremely hard to develop no matter how many hours you put in. But if you follow the INnoVation model, you are bound to get get results at some point down the line once you master his style of standard play.Yet at the same time this came with a heavy price.


Once he lost his mechanical edge over his opponents he didnt have any answers on how to beat his opponents.

But hadnt he already lost his edge when he won his GSL? Though I agree his biggest strenght has been taken.


He won that GSL off being mechanically superior to everyone he met (except soO who you know broke down in the finals).

I would argue that Cure is perhaps mechanically nearly as good, at least I feel like the TvT wasnt won on mechanics alone.


Oh Inno's TvT isn't just blind brute strength (in that sense he is similar to Flash), but I never thought to myself during Inno's GSL run (This is a smart strategic move). He mostly just did good moves and tried to out run everyone.

I mean, in theory, INnoVation is still superior mechanically than most players though. He shouldn't lose as hard as he has been recently if that was all there's to it.
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