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On March 15 2015 05:38 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< Low quality = Low priority.
GSL comes before NSSL in the alphabet, therefore it's more important. Duh. And if Life doesn't beat herO, PartinG will be GSL champion, then the balance will be upset forever and Protoss will be known as imba, until the map pool sucks less again <.<.
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On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.<
Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Oh my god I made it home to watch this. How awesome!
It's disgusting I hope Zest loses
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On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one
Quality>quantity.
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On March 15 2015 05:37 Popkiller wrote:
people love it when Terrans win because Terran is the best race in the game, everyone knows this.
Zerg is ok, they can have a few. But, no one likes Protoss.
Terran is lame now that TvP sucks and TvT is in a slump.
Zerg 4tw
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On March 15 2015 05:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< Low quality = Low priority. GSL comes before NSSL in the alphabet, therefore it's more important. Duh. And if Life doesn't beat herO, PartinG will be GSL champion, then the balance will be upset forever and Protoss will be known as imba, until the map pool sucks less again <.<.
As a Life fan I want Finals to be Life vs Parting with stupid swarm host games and even more stupid cheese games into Parting winning, about damm time.
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On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.
Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D
I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.
They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.
I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.
And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.
And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff. You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1 To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind... It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it. There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X". The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it.
You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit".
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On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one
Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one.
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On March 15 2015 05:41 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.< Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form.
Dark and Rogue both haven't reached their prime yet, and I was talking about current soO <.<.
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On March 15 2015 05:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:37 Popkiller wrote:
people love it when Terrans win because Terran is the best race in the game, everyone knows this.
Zerg is ok, they can have a few. But, no one likes Protoss. Terran is lame now that TvP sucks and TvT is in a slump. Zerg 4tw Now that TvP sucks?!?
WHat the fuck do you mean now?
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On March 15 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:41 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.< Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form. Dark and Rogue both haven't reached their prime yet, and I was talking about current soO <.<.
Current soO isn't relevant and should be brought up until he wins season 2 gsl in a few months.
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On March 15 2015 05:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Oh my god I made it home to watch this. How awesome!
And I have to leave >.<
Well gl to Zest and Bbyong, both of them really deserve the finals. I hope Zest pulls through just to counter the hate though.
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On March 15 2015 05:42 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 Popkiller wrote:
people love it when Terrans win because Terran is the best race in the game, everyone knows this.
Zerg is ok, they can have a few. But, no one likes Protoss. Terran is lame now that TvP sucks and TvT is in a slump. Zerg 4tw Now that TvP sucks?!? WHat the fuck do you mean now?
It was pretty good in the gangnam terran era and 1/1/1 era mate.
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On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.
Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D
I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.
They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.
I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.
And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.
And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff. You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1 To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind... It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it. There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X". The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it. You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit".
Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here.
That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones.
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On March 15 2015 05:42 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 Popkiller wrote:
people love it when Terrans win because Terran is the best race in the game, everyone knows this.
Zerg is ok, they can have a few. But, no one likes Protoss. Terran is lame now that TvP sucks and TvT is in a slump. Zerg 4tw Now that TvP sucks?!? WHat the fuck do you mean now?
Hey, despite how imbalanced it was in early 2014, the games were really good back then. Check out IEM Cologne.
Need those templar openings back.
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On March 15 2015 05:43 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:41 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.< Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form. Dark and Rogue both haven't reached their prime yet, and I was talking about current soO <.<. Current soO isn't relevant and should be brought up until he wins season 2 gsl in a few months.
He won't, he'll get second place at best. And he is relevant as an example of how Zerg shouldn't play, at least against mech <.<.
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On March 15 2015 05:42 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 Popkiller wrote:
people love it when Terrans win because Terran is the best race in the game, everyone knows this.
Zerg is ok, they can have a few. But, no one likes Protoss. Terran is lame now that TvP sucks and TvT is in a slump. Zerg 4tw Now that TvP sucks?!? WHat the fuck do you mean now?
it really went downhill for me and i think a lot of others after widow mine buff killed templar openings.
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On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one.
Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?!
Did I miss anyone?
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On March 15 2015 05:41 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.< Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form.
When SoO was a monster some time ago, which one was his strongest feature? His insane macro, I suppose?
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On March 15 2015 05:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:43 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:41 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Then they should try to play more like Life, Rogue and Dark and less like soO <.< Dark and Rogue have nothing on soO in top form. Dark and Rogue both haven't reached their prime yet, and I was talking about current soO <.<. Current soO isn't relevant and should be brought up until he wins season 2 gsl in a few months. He won't, he'll get second place at best. And he is relevant as an example of how Zerg shouldn't play, at least against mech <.<.
the face of a broken man
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