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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 06 2015 17:08 GMT
#1561
On March 07 2015 02:04 sharkie wrote:
The amount of WCS points Life, Maru and herO already have is pretty sick.

And IEM Katowice will probably give them even more^^
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
March 06 2015 17:09 GMT
#1562
On March 07 2015 02:07 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 02:06 Darkhorse wrote:
Impressed that Life managed that quick turnaround after falling out of NSSL. I haven't seen him vs Inno yet but I presume it's the second super high level TvZ involving Life I get to watch in two days. Even if he doesn't advance any further, 2x Ro4 in Season 1 is a good starting point (and best result of anyone over both leagues).

herO will be a tough opponent for sure


Innovation vs Life was nowhere near super high level unfortunately. It was very very scrappy :/

I actually like scrappy games tbh. I went back and read the LR toward the end of the series and the excitement they bring out of people is cool
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
March 06 2015 17:11 GMT
#1563
Life actually "beat" Dream in the bo5 last night. There's no guarantee Inno wouldn't have won games 6 and 7 were it in fact a bo7. Honestly I still think Inno is slightly better than Dream, especially at an IEM-type event. Dream is insanely good though
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 06 2015 17:13 GMT
#1564
innovation's attempts to 'harass' life with drops basically never worked. life's reflex and small scale micro is just too good for that. he should have realized this and focused on the same sort of macro timing dream had with his upgrades play. would have won that last game if he didn't try to out-aggress life
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
March 06 2015 17:32 GMT
#1565
well done by Life, impressed he made it happen.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
March 06 2015 19:03 GMT
#1566
Life always makes me so selfconcious about my ZvT... Ghehe.
he's really fucking good though, a new Maru v Life would be sick!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 20:05:50
March 06 2015 20:03 GMT
#1567
Sick ro4. I expect ZvP finals between PartinG and Life.

Hoping MMA can smack PartinG down though. I want the Blizzcon rematch.

The similarities between Life and MMA are also cool. Both would be fighting for gsl #3.

On March 07 2015 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:52 Fuell wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:59 Inflicted wrote:
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MMA defies the trend

MMA defies all trends anyway. MMA is a god and the best SC2 player over the course of SC2's history.

hahahahaha

I'm actually dead serious.


No, but really?
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 06 2015 20:12 GMT
#1568
I'm getting real sick of life
rip passion
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 06 2015 20:14 GMT
#1569
On March 07 2015 05:12 Deathstar wrote:
I'm getting real sick of life


Haven't used this in awhile:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Melix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States89 Posts
March 06 2015 20:35 GMT
#1570
On March 07 2015 05:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sick ro4. I expect ZvP finals between PartinG and Life.

Hoping MMA can smack PartinG down though. I want the Blizzcon rematch.

The similarities between Life and MMA are also cool. Both would be fighting for gsl #3.

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:52 Fuell wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:59 Inflicted wrote:
[image loading]

MMA defies the trend

MMA defies all trends anyway. MMA is a god and the best SC2 player over the course of SC2's history.

hahahahaha

I'm actually dead serious.


No, but really?


I suppose one thing you can say is that if MMA wins the next match that no one else would have had GSL finals appearances that covered a longer period of time. He obviously had a pretty down stretch in the middle but the fact that he's still playing at this level is quite impressive. Don't think it quite makes him the GOAT, however.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 06 2015 21:01 GMT
#1571
On March 07 2015 05:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sick ro4. I expect ZvP finals between PartinG and Life.

Hoping MMA can smack PartinG down though. I want the Blizzcon rematch.

The similarities between Life and MMA are also cool. Both would be fighting for gsl #3.

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:52 Fuell wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:59 Inflicted wrote:
[image loading]

MMA defies the trend

MMA defies all trends anyway. MMA is a god and the best SC2 player over the course of SC2's history.

hahahahaha

I'm actually dead serious.


No, but really?

Really.
Do you know of many pro players who were among the best players in 2011 and who still are now? Do you know of many pro players who managed to come back from a downfall similar to MMA's when SlayerS disbanded? Do you know of many pro players who made the Ro4 of Code S post-KeSPA switch while not being on a Korean team, that is, not having an armada of teammates analyzing your next opponent's playstyle for you to help you prepare? Do you know of many pro players who have the mindset of a warrior, a real warrior?
MMA is a monster, a straight up monster. Is he the GOAT? We can't say yet, because many things can still happen in SC2. Is he, right now, the best player of SC2's history? I say yes.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
March 06 2015 21:09 GMT
#1572
MMA is definitely the Nada of SC2.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 06 2015 21:15 GMT
#1573
On March 07 2015 05:35 Melix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 05:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sick ro4. I expect ZvP finals between PartinG and Life.

Hoping MMA can smack PartinG down though. I want the Blizzcon rematch.

The similarities between Life and MMA are also cool. Both would be fighting for gsl #3.

On March 07 2015 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:52 Fuell wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:59 Inflicted wrote:
[image loading]

MMA defies the trend

MMA defies all trends anyway. MMA is a god and the best SC2 player over the course of SC2's history.

hahahahaha

I'm actually dead serious.


No, but really?


I suppose one thing you can say is that if MMA wins the next match that no one else would have had GSL finals appearances that covered a longer period of time. He obviously had a pretty down stretch in the middle but the fact that he's still playing at this level is quite impressive. Don't think it quite makes him the GOAT, however.


There isn't really a GOAT for all of SC2 anyways. Mvp is certainly the GOAT of WoL, but over all of SC2 (from WoL's release to today) there isn't a consensus GOAT anymore.

What is cool about MMA is his longevity - he's definitely had his up and downs but the fact that he's won a premier each year since 2011 is pretty crazy. It's now spring 2015, and the guy is still competing at the highest level. He's outlasted most of his rivals from 2011 (Polt is probably the exception, unless someone else can remind).

It's pretty cool to see a bit of constancy in a scene that changes so quickly.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
March 06 2015 21:35 GMT
#1574
On March 07 2015 06:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 05:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sick ro4. I expect ZvP finals between PartinG and Life.

Hoping MMA can smack PartinG down though. I want the Blizzcon rematch.

The similarities between Life and MMA are also cool. Both would be fighting for gsl #3.

On March 07 2015 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:52 Fuell wrote:
On March 06 2015 23:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2015 21:59 Inflicted wrote:
[image loading]

MMA defies the trend

MMA defies all trends anyway. MMA is a god and the best SC2 player over the course of SC2's history.

hahahahaha

I'm actually dead serious.


No, but really?

Really.
Do you know of many pro players who were among the best players in 2011 and who still are now? Do you know of many pro players who managed to come back from a downfall similar to MMA's when SlayerS disbanded? Do you know of many pro players who made the Ro4 of Code S post-KeSPA switch while not being on a Korean team, that is, not having an armada of teammates analyzing your next opponent's playstyle for you to help you prepare? Do you know of many pro players who have the mindset of a warrior, a real warrior?
MMA is a monster, a straight up monster. Is he the GOAT? We can't say yet, because many things can still happen in SC2. Is he, right now, the best player of SC2's history? I say yes.


MC still makes tournament runs, if anything he makes runs more frequently than MMA.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 21:48:20
March 06 2015 21:47 GMT
#1575
MMA is probably in the top 5 of all-time greats but even being #3 is out of the question for me. He's competing with MC and DRG for the #4-6 slots imo. Could change substantially if he wins this season.

My top 10 in descending order:

Mvp
Life
Taeja
MMA/DRG/MC (this is a hard call)
Bogus
Polt
Zest
Nestea

Do you know of many pro players who were among the best players in 2011 and who still are now


Bomber, Taeja, Marineking, DRG, Leenock, Gumiho, Curious, MC, and Polt. Some might even argue for PartinG as he had just sprung up at the tail end of 2011, though he didn't really turn heads until the next season in 2012. ForGG might also be a stretch >_>

Do you know of many pro players who managed to come back from a downfall similar to MMA's when SlayerS disbanded?


I'd say he actually loses points for his long period of irrelevancy post-Slayers. Whereas someone like Mvp overcame real obstacles both in terms of balance and his health.

Do you know of many pro players who made the Ro4 of Code S post-KeSPA switch while not being on a Korean team


Time will tell. Most of the Koreans on non-Korea teams are coming home from their payday WCS regions. As I expected they're doing fine. Although, MMA is currently in the ro4 against a fellow non-Korean team player in PartinG. Meanwhile, Leenock and Super came close in NSSL. DRG came close last season despite having no team.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 06 2015 21:55 GMT
#1576
Ya'll are silly as hell. I made a top 10 all time list some time ago but the main thing is Mvp is GOAT. You can try to argue with me but...

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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 06 2015 21:55 GMT
#1577
On March 07 2015 06:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
MMA is probably in the top 5 of all-time greats but even being #3 is out of the question for me. He's competing with MC and DRG for the #4-6 slots imo. Could change substantially if he wins this season.

My top 10 in descending order:

Mvp
Life
Taeja
MMA/DRG/MC (this is a hard call)
Bogus
Polt
Zest
Nestea

Show nested quote +
Do you know of many pro players who were among the best players in 2011 and who still are now


Bomber, Taeja, Marineking, DRG, Leenock, Gumiho, Curious, MC, and Polt. Some might even argue for PartinG as he had just sprung up at the tail end of 2011, though he didn't really turn heads until the next season in 2012. ForGG might also be a stretch >_>

Show nested quote +
Do you know of many pro players who managed to come back from a downfall similar to MMA's when SlayerS disbanded?


I'd say he actually loses points for his long period of irrelevancy post-Slayers. Whereas someone like Mvp overcame real obstacles both in terms of balance and his health.

Show nested quote +
Do you know of many pro players who made the Ro4 of Code S post-KeSPA switch while not being on a Korean team


Time will tell. Most of the Koreans on non-Korea teams are coming home from their payday WCS regions. As I expected they're doing fine. Although, MMA is currently in the ro4 against a fellow non-Korean team player in PartinG. Meanwhile, Leenock and Super came close in NSSL. DRG came close last season despite having no team.


DRG? I feel like he hasn't won enough premier titles (only 3 titles) to be compared to MMA (8) or MC (6). I think otherwise your top 5 is pretty reasonable though
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
March 06 2015 21:57 GMT
#1578
On March 07 2015 06:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
MMA is probably in the top 5 of all-time greats but even being #3 is out of the question for me. He's competing with MC and DRG for the #4-6 slots imo. Could change substantially if he wins this season.

My top 10 in descending order:

Mvp
Life
Taeja
MMA/DRG/MC (this is a hard call)
Bogus
Polt
Zest
Nestea

Lol wut?

How does Zest even belong on this list? Someone who only ever did anything when GSL was basically all Protoss, Protoss had just been buffed in a patch, and PvP was his best matchup. Outside of that short period of success, he hasn't even been 'good,' or even mediocre.

He doesn't belong anwyhere near a list with Mvp, Life, Nestea, MC, DRG, MMA, etc...those are all players who were good over a long period of time, not ones who 'spiked' briefly when their race got buffed in a patch, and returned to being mediocre after Terrans were no longer extinct, like Zest.
Zest - Flash - TY - Top 3 SC2! - KT Rolster Fighting, #6 team in Proleague! - Zest #1 Proleague Ace Player!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 06 2015 21:59 GMT
#1579
On March 07 2015 06:55 Darkhorse wrote:
Ya'll are silly as hell. I made a top 10 all time list some time ago but the main thing is Mvp is GOAT. You can try to argue with me but...

[image loading]


I don't think anyone reasonable is trying to argue against the fact that Mvp is the GOAT of WoL. But I think as time goes on (and players like Life continue to rack up tournament wins), I don't think it's fair to call Mvp the GOAT of all of SC2, especially if he's been largely inactive for 2 years now

Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
March 06 2015 22:21 GMT
#1580
I think Mvp is obviously the best player overall for WoL, but who is the GOAT if you only count HotS?

Poll: Best player of HotS?

Life (19)
 
50%

Zest (7)
 
18%

Someone else (say who) (4)
 
11%

Innovation (3)
 
8%

soO (3)
 
8%

Taeja (2)
 
5%

38 total votes

Your vote: Best player of HotS?

(Vote): Life
(Vote): Innovation
(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Zest
(Vote): soO
(Vote): Someone else (say who)



My vote goes to Life with Innovation being inches behind.
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