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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 27 2015 22:54 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:54 gTank wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. Life won GSL once, so? So did Sniper. Life is still sick good though, just quite streaky.
I don't think calling Life streaky is that valid anymore. He’s been on top since November, that's more than the majority of players can manage.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On February 27 2015 22:56 Fuell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:55 Lorning wrote:On February 27 2015 22:54 Fuell wrote:+ Show Spoiler +REVENGE damn u prime players Wish they got a pic of his hilarious poutface that night how mad are you right now Not so mad considering Maru has a pretty good chance winning IEM and SSL, and can actual play in PL. While PartinG can't even win random online cups
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On February 27 2015 22:55 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. I forgot IEMs took place in Korea  Go ahead and count Life's foreign tourneys, then count Rain's.
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On February 27 2015 22:56 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:54 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:54 gTank wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. Life won GSL once, so? So did Sniper. Life is still sick good though, just quite streaky. Well, do you honestly think that wasn't Life just not practicing? Kid has too much talent, right now he's dominating in a way no player has done before, maybe except MVP. Yeah, Life dominated DH winter like nothing !
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...did... did Tasteless just... not wish me a good night?
Oh my god, I thought it couldn't get any worse after Maru got 2-0'd.
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On February 27 2015 22:57 pure.Wasted wrote:...did... did Tasteless just... not wish me a good night? Oh my god, I thought it couldn't get any worse after Maru got 2-0'd.  Suck it wasted
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On February 27 2015 22:57 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Before Rain's disastrous RO16 group the other day he was still the best all around Protoss (due to herO's PvP weakness and sOs/Zest not making it to individual leagues). Regardless he's not in the Life & Inno bracket atm but he's been one of the best players of the last 2 years. If you just care about championships you can also say that soO hasn't been one of the best and most consistent players over the last year. And Maru also hasn't won anything in a while but has still been one of the best terrans and players as well.
Not winning anything puts you out of the Life/Inno league. That doesn't prevent you from being a top tier player.
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On February 27 2015 22:57 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Before Rain's disastrous RO16 group the other day he was still the best all around Protoss (due to herO's PvP weakness and sOs/Zest not making it to individual leagues). Regardless he's not in the Life & Inno bracket atm but he's been one of the best players of the last 2 years. If you just care about championships you can also say that soO hasn't been one of the best and most consistent players over the last year. And Maru also hasn't won anything in a while but has still been one of the best terrans and players as well.
herO beat Rain in the only time they've met this year. How was rain best all around protoss over herO?
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SC2 simply too volatile/random. That is why I hate it so often.
BUT: Result is not unexpected, since Artosis bet on Maru 
Cheeses and allins are too strong. I used to say the better player doesn't always win and then the answer was clear "it is also a sign of a better player to choose the right strategy". Yeah well true that but there are too many strong openers for toss that you can choose and still switch to macro (so not even really a allin/cheese) and that is what I hate about it: Can't prepare for everything as terran, and even if scouted somethimes the build order just outright kills you.
That (SC2 being so volatile) is IMO the reason why we don't see players dominating over a long period of time although being totally on top of their micro and macro.
However, since Parting is a great player he deserves it as well, I just wished he beat Maru in a macro game and not cheese, which I always consider cheap wins. And there is this Protoss Bullshit thread...
Oracle still should be redesigned. It makes too many kills too fast and it doesn't require that much micro compared to other harassement options (and not much of an investment compared to them).
On Marus side I question his decision making, as he must know in a macro game he wins against Parting, so why not go for a safer opening. But what is safer then reaper expand on the other side?
Since they won't fix many of the unit design problems (the game may be balanced but its unstable and volatile) with the addon, and even the slightest inbalances in pro play get really huge in lower levels (an easy to control but hard to defend against harass unit) the reason why so many people stopped playing and watchin sc2 is simply the frustration it gives you. None of us is Korean Pro Level and therefore things that already look imba on the streams and VODs really are imba at lower leagues.
I wished with the addon, the game gets more like BW again, where 1 misclick in a fight didn't end the game but you could regain lead with several well done other clicks and micro and such and you had the chance to come back in the game just by being better in mechanics.
Since the announcement of LOTV I cannot expect that sort of developement for SC2 anymore. So I guess I'll just wait for SC3 then, since there is no other RTS around (Grey Goo?) that is as good and fascinating as SC to me.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 27 2015 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:55 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. I forgot IEMs took place in Korea  Go ahead and count Life's foreign tourneys, then count Rain's.
What are you trying to argue right now?
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On February 27 2015 22:58 Rollora wrote: SC2 simply too volatile/random. That is why I hate it so often.
Cheeses and allins are too strong. I used to say the better player doesn't always win and then the answer was clear "it is also a sign of a better player to choose the right strategy". Yeah well true that but there are too many strong openers for toss that you can choose and still switch to macro (so not even really a allin/cheese) and that is what I hate about it: Can't prepare for everything as terran, and even if scouted somethimes the build order just outright kills you.
That (SC2 being so volatile) is IMO the reason why we don't see players dominating over a long period of time although being totally on top of their micro and macro.
However, since Parting is a great player he deserves it as well, I just wished he beat Maru in a macro game and not cheese, which I always consider cheap wins. And there is this Protoss Bullshit thread...
Oracle still should be redesigned. It makes too many kills too fast and it doesn't require that much micro compared to other harassement options (and not much of an investment compared to them).
On Marus side I question his decision making, as he must know in a macro game he wins against Parting, so why not go for a safer opening. But what is safer then reaper expand on the other side?
Since they won't fix many of the unit design problems (the game may be balanced but its unstable and volatile) with the addon, and even the slightest inbalances in pro play get really huge in lower levels (an easy to control but hard to defend against harass unit) the reason why so many people stopped playing and watchin sc2 is simply the frustration it gives you. None of us is Korean Pro Level and therefore things that already look imba on the streams and VODs really are imba at lower leagues.
I wished with the addon, the game gets more like BW again, where 1 misclick in a fight didn't end the game but you could regain lead with several well done other clicks and micro and such and you had the chance to come back in the game just by being better in mechanics.
Since the announcement of LOTV I cannot expect that sort of developement for SC2 anymore. So I guess I'll just wait for SC3 then, since there is no other RTS around (Grey Goo?) that is as good and fascinating as SC to me. Passionstone is NOT for you :D
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On February 27 2015 22:59 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:55 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. I forgot IEMs took place in Korea  Go ahead and count Life's foreign tourneys, then count Rain's. What are you trying to argue right now?
That Rain is on Inno/Life level. Which is hilarious.
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On February 27 2015 22:57 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:56 sibs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:54 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:54 gTank wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote: [quote] How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. Life won GSL once, so? So did Sniper. Life is still sick good though, just quite streaky. Well, do you honestly think that wasn't Life just not practicing? Kid has too much talent, right now he's dominating in a way no player has done before, maybe except MVP. Yeah, Life dominated DH winter like nothing ! I can't even tell if this is sarcasm, because that's the one tournament he didn't win, and finished second, trully a terrible result, what a fucking noob, he played ForGG a few more times after that too.
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On February 27 2015 22:57 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:56 Fuell wrote:On February 27 2015 22:55 Lorning wrote:On February 27 2015 22:54 Fuell wrote:+ Show Spoiler +REVENGE damn u prime players Wish they got a pic of his hilarious poutface that night how mad are you right now Not so mad considering Maru has a pretty good chance winning IEM and SSL, and can actual play in PL. While PartinG can't even win random online cups which online cups are you referring to? he just won 32 boys 1 cup and the kung fu cup
what was the last time maru won something honestly? some osl 2 years ago?
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On February 27 2015 22:59 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:55 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. I forgot IEMs took place in Korea  Go ahead and count Life's foreign tourneys, then count Rain's. What are you trying to argue right now? Rain is at least as good as Life overall, admittedly he hasn't been as of late though.
On February 27 2015 22:58 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:57 dazed25 wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Ej_ wrote:I don't know how people could put Maru in the same tier as INnoVation, Rain or Life How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Before Rain's disastrous RO16 group the other day he was still the best all around Protoss (due to herO's PvP weakness and sOs/Zest not making it to individual leagues). Regardless he's not in the Life & Inno bracket atm but he's been one of the best players of the last 2 years. If you just care about championships you can also say that soO hasn't been one of the best and most consistent players over the last year. And Maru also hasn't won anything in a while but has still been one of the best terrans and players as well. Not winning anything puts you out of the Life/Inno league. That doesn't prevent you from being a top tier player. When the level of play is as high as Korean SC2, winning is overrated. If soO won 3 extra matches you'd be mentioning soO up there too. You have to look at the games too kiddo .
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It was a very entertaining group, with both high level play and tricky play. I enjoy it very much.
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I think Life is the best.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 27 2015 23:00 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:59 Zealously wrote:On February 27 2015 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:55 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:53 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:52 sAsImre wrote:On February 27 2015 22:51 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On February 27 2015 22:48 ZAiNs wrote:On February 27 2015 22:46 Keeemy wrote: [quote] How can you put Rain in the same tier as Life and Bogus? Yea, Innovation and Life fall off all the time. Rain is so consistent. hahaha Rain has never been Code B like Life was last year  . i'm searching a tournament win in 2014, could you help me: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)/Results Because he stays in Korea and didn't make it to Blizzcon. I forgot IEMs took place in Korea  Go ahead and count Life's foreign tourneys, then count Rain's. What are you trying to argue right now? Rain is at least as good as Life overall, admittedly he hasn't been as of late though. says no-one with a brain
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On February 27 2015 22:55 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 22:52 KatatoniK wrote:On February 27 2015 22:49 Flonomenalz wrote: Lol it's interesting that Protoss players whined about Maru winning tense, micro intensive, scrappy games based on multitasking and snap decision making (qq terran fly buildings), but celebrate Parting winning through an all in by simply taking advantage of pro scouting patterns and just about impossible to stop if not scouted in time or blind countered. I don't whine when Maru wins because when he does win, he deserves it, he's super fucking good. PartinG just did what Protoss have to do in PvT nowadays to win and that's what saddens me the most. When he wins after having his proxy rax scouted vs Zerg, he's super good and deserves it, when he loses to proxy oracles he doesnt deserve it. kay.
Finally!Every time a Toss player goes all in everyone whine about it but when a terran wins with 2 proxy rax or a proxy widow mine drop or a zerg wins with a roach rush or a roach/bane all in he fully deserves it
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