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On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion.  well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for?
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On October 23 2014 18:48 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that That's why I didn't like the finals very much. I don't like to watch someone clearly underperforming, throwing games. SoO threw several games imo. Not just the 2 rax one.
Really? Which ones?
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On October 23 2014 18:51 covetousrat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for? build order
oh damn, thanks man that was stupid, I just remembered LOL
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On October 23 2014 18:50 covetousrat wrote:
WTF is Zest missing for 40 mins? Just give Rain free win..
If anything give Zest a free win...
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On October 23 2014 18:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:50 covetousrat wrote:
WTF is Zest missing for 40 mins? Just give Rain free win.. If anything give Zest a free win...
Wot
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Australia18228 Posts
wtf am i listening to on basetradeTV
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On October 23 2014 18:51 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for? Build Order Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:48 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that That's why I didn't like the finals very much. I don't like to watch someone clearly underperforming, throwing games. SoO threw several games imo. Not just the 2 rax one. Really? Which ones?
Pff, I have to rewatch it to be precise but I'd say every map pretty much. I remember the last map being tense/ fun to watch but he certainly threw that one (lackluster drop defense for one thing).
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On October 23 2014 18:55 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 23 2014 18:50 covetousrat wrote:
WTF is Zest missing for 40 mins? Just give Rain free win.. If anything give Zest a free win... Wot
He obviously does something really important right now, like saving the world and stuff
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Northern Ireland281 Posts
Zest prolly working out between matches and got carried away 
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how long until zest is DQ for afk?
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On October 23 2014 18:56 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:51 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for? Build Order On October 23 2014 18:48 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:On October 23 2014 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's RAIN VS ZEST
If you don't watch that, you don't like SC2 I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that That's why I didn't like the finals very much. I don't like to watch someone clearly underperforming, throwing games. SoO threw several games imo. Not just the 2 rax one. Really? Which ones? Pff, I have to rewatch it to be precise but I'd say every map pretty much. I remember the last map being tense/ fun to watch but he certainly threw that one (lackluster drop defense for one thing).
That's a pretty broad definition of "throw." What's the last GSL finals you thought was good?
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According to Liquipedia, Hot6ix Cup ends the same week-end when IEM San Jose takes place (6-7Dec).
Zest and soO are already invited, I don't know why they participate to this qualifier.
Maybe Zest just figured this out and left 
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On October 23 2014 18:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Cast Life-San already D:
Life 2-0 San
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Austria24422 Posts
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"sorry gogo" Haha really.
Ooooh Life 2-0 San. GOOD SHIT.
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Northern Ireland281 Posts
On October 23 2014 18:57 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:56 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:51 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:[quote] I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for? Build Order On October 23 2014 18:48 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:[quote] I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that That's why I didn't like the finals very much. I don't like to watch someone clearly underperforming, throwing games. SoO threw several games imo. Not just the 2 rax one. Really? Which ones? Pff, I have to rewatch it to be precise but I'd say every map pretty much. I remember the last map being tense/ fun to watch but he certainly threw that one (lackluster drop defense for one thing). That's a pretty broad definition of "throw." What's the last GSL finals you thought was good?
I think SoO buckled mentally. Still enjoyed the finals tho, even as a SoO fan. Whilst the games wern't extra long or whatever, the back and forth made it a really enjoyable series to watch.
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If herO plays against Life like he did against Hyun, there's a good chance we get Life vs. Zest in these finals. That would be a neat preview for Blizzcon.
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On October 23 2014 18:57 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2014 18:56 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:51 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:50 MiniFotToss wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:[quote] I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that wat does BO stand for? Build Order On October 23 2014 18:48 Penev wrote:On October 23 2014 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:34 OtherWorld wrote:On October 23 2014 18:32 pure.Wasted wrote:On October 23 2014 18:24 stuchiu wrote:On October 23 2014 18:21 Big J wrote:[quote] I was on the verge of tuning out Innovation vs soO GSL finals after 3games... Probably just lost my passion. well that finals sucked. I'm honestly surprised so few people enjoyed that finals. The games sucked if judged individually, sure, but as a series, I found it very deep and rewarding as a fan of both players. I agree. I mean, most GSLs finals suck anyway, and this one did not suck too much. Was there cheese? Yes. Was it bad, because both players made tons of mistakes that should never happen to Code S-level players? No. The only "bad" game, in term of quality of play, that I can think of is the Foxtrot game in which soO lost to a 2 rax despite going 14/14. Apart from that it was a fun a overall cool series. Yeah, soO really bungled that. I wonder if we can go back to that and say that's the exact moment that he crumbled under the pressure. Because his decision making with retreating the Lings from Inno's depots made zero sense. He knew there could be nothing behind that wall. If he'd committed, at the very least he was guaranteed to suffocate Inno's income. I don't if it is really pressure, but that's definitely the moment where INnoVation took the mental advantage. And yeah, 14/14 is pretty much supposed to be a BO win against 2rax, I don't even know how he lost that That's why I didn't like the finals very much. I don't like to watch someone clearly underperforming, throwing games. SoO threw several games imo. Not just the 2 rax one. Really? Which ones? Pff, I have to rewatch it to be precise but I'd say every map pretty much. I remember the last map being tense/ fun to watch but he certainly threw that one (lackluster drop defense for one thing). That's a pretty broad definition of "throw." What's the last GSL finals you thought was good?
It's not a relative thing is it? If all finals are bad than they're all bad. Another bad one isn't suddenly a good one because it's better than an average final. I find it disappointing to watch someone clearly not playing his best. Doesn't mean that that's a 100% either though; I get enjoyment out of watching players like that regardless.
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Australia18228 Posts
IEM Qualifier, HSC KR Qualifier + Leifeng Cup, so many KR events in one day
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