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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
September 12 2014 12:01 GMT
#1101
Lol why are people trying to give CatZ a hard time anyways.

soO has already publicly given CatZ credit and props for helping him with strategies. I mean the player himself thinks so whats the big deal.
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 12:08:34
September 12 2014 12:07 GMT
#1102
On September 12 2014 21:01 Thrillz wrote:
Lol why are people trying to give CatZ a hard time anyways.

soO has already publicly given CatZ credit and props for helping him with strategies. I mean the player himself thinks so whats the big deal.


I'm vocal when I have polarizing opinions, a big ego and tend to respond / interact more than most pros/personalities in the community, so I guess its natural to draw some h8 / trolls
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3753 Posts
September 12 2014 12:09 GMT
#1103
On September 12 2014 21:01 Thrillz wrote:
Lol why are people trying to give CatZ a hard time anyways.

soO has already publicly given CatZ credit and props for helping him with strategies. I mean the player himself thinks so whats the big deal.

Some people probably thinks that for most of koreans, 99.x% of foreigners are complete noobs. I don't know - it's probably hard to grasp (and believe) how close are elite competitors in something when you never were near the top, especially when you read write ups like Jaedong want to kill his opponent, Stephano rolled over opposition, Zest crashed everyone, Flash released his godly beams of pure light and blinded his opponents etc. etc. While it's just a story for an article, it build quite a different perception of relations between players (I'm heavily speculating here obv.)
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3753 Posts
September 12 2014 12:11 GMT
#1104
On September 12 2014 21:07 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 21:01 Thrillz wrote:
Lol why are people trying to give CatZ a hard time anyways.

soO has already publicly given CatZ credit and props for helping him with strategies. I mean the player himself thinks so whats the big deal.


I'm vocal when I have polarizing opinions, a big ego and tend to respond / interact more than most pros/personalities in the community, so I guess its natural to draw some h8 / trolls

Blah, I recall I was mad at you when Team Liquid Attack with NaNi switched server because you didn't have EU copy of WoL
Tension can arise for the most stupid reasons.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 12 2014 12:15 GMT
#1105
On September 12 2014 21:07 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 21:01 Thrillz wrote:
Lol why are people trying to give CatZ a hard time anyways.

soO has already publicly given CatZ credit and props for helping him with strategies. I mean the player himself thinks so whats the big deal.


I'm vocal when I have polarizing opinions, a big ego and tend to respond / interact more than most pros/personalities in the community, so I guess its natural to draw some h8 / trolls

CatZ you are cool <3.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 12 2014 13:14 GMT
#1106
Bomber you are my lover
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
September 12 2014 13:53 GMT
#1107
oh man, now there's a chance that neither soO or sOs will make it to blizzacon. also Bomber just ruined Rain's chances unless he wins code S
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
September 12 2014 14:10 GMT
#1108
On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

**Edit, after reading your previous comment** Idk why I'd even want to hide it was my strategy if they lost with it, they wouldn't use it if it wasn't good / didn't do well in practice while testing it. Solar used my spore rush on habitation station and lost with it for example, but he won every game in practice with it, and I don't think the build ultimately lost him the game, idk why I'd feel bad or hide it, I was very excited just watching that game. I don't just randomly tell them a bo and expect them to do it in the GSL, also a lot of it comes to playstyle not everyone can do everything - soO's pretty open to aggressive ideas where DRG for the most part prefers macro for example, one of the players I talk to might be very comfortable against cannon rush or double rax, where the other one wouldn't 15 hatch and 13 scout because they're not comfortable vs cannon rush from that position for instance, so this strat wouldn't suit them, I discuss more tactics than strategy with DRG where I discuss more BO's with soO, but whenever they use one of my builds or even just tactics that makes me happy, that's a win for me in some ways, regardless of the ultimate outcome, cause that means that they think that's their best shot in that particular game the compliment in that alone and the ego stroke I get for free is nice.


I liked you and your answer until this post. If soO beat stats... I'm going to find you !
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 12 2014 14:40 GMT
#1109
So, after today the Blizzcon chances for Rain, soO and sOs pretty much shatter?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 14:53:28
September 12 2014 14:53 GMT
#1110
On September 12 2014 23:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, after today the Blizzcon chances for Rain, soO and sOs pretty much shatter?

sOs is at 12 and will probably make it. soO is at 15 and HAS to win his next GSL match vs Stats and he'll probably make it. Rain has to win GSL to make it (T_______T).
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
September 12 2014 15:03 GMT
#1111
I think sOs will need to show up to stockholm to secure his chances. assuming both Rain and soO wins their ro8 match, their ro4 match will land on stockholm weekend. in which case neither of them can go to stockholm even if they want to unless they the ro4 matches can swapped.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 12 2014 15:10 GMT
#1112
On September 13 2014 00:03 movac wrote:
I think sOs will need to show up to stockholm to secure his chances. assuming both Rain and soO wins their ro8 match, their ro4 match will land on stockholm weekend. in which case neither of them can go to stockholm even if they want to unless they the ro4 matches can swapped.

I'm sure GSL will be flexible. They did a lot of shuffling for IEM because players in 3 different groups were in it.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 12 2014 15:19 GMT
#1113
On September 12 2014 19:58 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:47 Edpayasugo wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?


He types decent english, not amazing but we understand each other for the most part + we use replays and actual games so its much easier to point out what we're talking about that way, when we talk strategy like this (BO/BO counter as oppossed to tactics or unit compositions) it's mostly just outlining the build after watching some replays, here's a bit about this particular build:

[9/9/2014 10:44:16 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: its only 13 scout normal
[9/9/2014 10:44:25 PM] soO: 13?
[9/9/2014 10:44:29 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: can later too
[9/9/2014 10:44:38 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but only need for this build: hatch first + scout
[9/9/2014 10:44:46 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I think 13 scout is good, then can hide drone
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: oh
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:45:11 PM] soO: um..
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] soO: u did 10 scout 1time or 2times
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: kk just react build
[9/9/2014 10:45:25 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: what map?
[9/9/2014 10:45:29 PM] soO: merry
[9/9/2014 10:45:31 PM] soO: and
[9/9/2014 10:45:33 PM] soO: dead wing
[9/9/2014 10:45:35 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: hrmmm if 10 scout
[9/9/2014 10:45:37 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: maybe because I want to try
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: TRUE hatch block time
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but see nexus > change
[9/9/2014 10:45:44 PM] soO: ah
[9/9/2014 10:45:47 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:45:53 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: 13 or 14 scout is best
[9/9/2014 10:46:09 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:46:11 PM] soO: good
[9/9/2014 10:46:13 PM] soO: i think very good
[9/9/2014 10:46:14 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: yes easy win merry and cata
[9/9/2014 10:46:21 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:46:22 PM] soO: vs super?
[9/9/2014 10:46:23 PM] soO: or
[9/9/2014 10:46:24 PM] soO: vs stats
[9/9/2014 10:46:25 PM] soO: ?
[9/9/2014 10:46:33 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I dont know, any
[9/9/2014 10:46:38 PM] soO: my chocie?
[9/9/2014 10:46:39 PM] soO: choice?
[9/9/2014 10:46:41 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: your choice

Oh man that is pretty fucking cool. Way to go!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 12 2014 15:26 GMT
#1114
BOMBER KINGDOM
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
September 12 2014 15:31 GMT
#1115
Damn it Bomber go to hell
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
September 12 2014 17:37 GMT
#1116
Watched Super v. Soo and I am so pleased at Super's play. Unlike San's play that hurt my eyes.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
September 12 2014 18:08 GMT
#1117
Bomber bout to fuck around and win this whole shit
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
lopido
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada245 Posts
September 12 2014 18:29 GMT
#1118
Damn You Bomber for taking out the Rain...
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 12 2014 21:19 GMT
#1119
Damn Bomber is so badass! And Catz too btw .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1417 Posts
September 12 2014 21:37 GMT
#1120
while yeterday went fully as planned resultwise, today was one upset after another aside from zest-sos and hero-sorry.
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