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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2222 Posts
September 12 2014 10:47 GMT
#1081
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 12 2014 10:49 GMT
#1082
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.

Wow, you play with soO and Parting? Any other SKT players?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 12 2014 10:53 GMT
#1083
On September 12 2014 19:45 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:36 TheDwf wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games because of me.

Which build was it here?


g3 vs Super, it's a hatch block into ling flood skipping queens on Catallena vs Nexus>Gate opener

Nice, I'll have to watch the VOD to see that in action.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27343 Posts
September 12 2014 10:54 GMT
#1084
The thought of Catz's creative craziness allied to Korean mechanical chops is a terrifying one to behold.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
September 12 2014 10:55 GMT
#1085
On September 12 2014 19:45 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:36 TheDwf wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games because of me.

Which build was it here?


g3 vs Super, it's a hatch block into ling flood skipping queens on Catallena vs Nexus>Gate opener


And... how many games did he play with strategies you created which resulted in losses?
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 10:57:13
September 12 2014 10:56 GMT
#1086
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 10:59:51
September 12 2014 10:58 GMT
#1087
On September 12 2014 19:47 Edpayasugo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?


He types decent english, not amazing but we understand each other for the most part + we use replays and actual games so its much easier to point out what we're talking about that way, when we talk strategy like this (BO/BO counter as oppossed to tactics or unit compositions) it's mostly just outlining the build after watching some replays, here's a bit about this particular build:

[9/9/2014 10:44:16 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: its only 13 scout normal
[9/9/2014 10:44:25 PM] soO: 13?
[9/9/2014 10:44:29 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: can later too
[9/9/2014 10:44:38 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but only need for this build: hatch first + scout
[9/9/2014 10:44:46 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I think 13 scout is good, then can hide drone
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: oh
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:45:11 PM] soO: um..
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] soO: u did 10 scout 1time or 2times
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: kk just react build
[9/9/2014 10:45:25 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: what map?
[9/9/2014 10:45:29 PM] soO: merry
[9/9/2014 10:45:31 PM] soO: and
[9/9/2014 10:45:33 PM] soO: dead wing
[9/9/2014 10:45:35 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: hrmmm if 10 scout
[9/9/2014 10:45:37 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: maybe because I want to try
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: TRUE hatch block time
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but see nexus > change
[9/9/2014 10:45:44 PM] soO: ah
[9/9/2014 10:45:47 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:45:53 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: 13 or 14 scout is best
[9/9/2014 10:46:09 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:46:11 PM] soO: good
[9/9/2014 10:46:13 PM] soO: i think very good
[9/9/2014 10:46:14 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: yes easy win merry and cata
[9/9/2014 10:46:21 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:46:22 PM] soO: vs super?
[9/9/2014 10:46:23 PM] soO: or
[9/9/2014 10:46:24 PM] soO: vs stats
[9/9/2014 10:46:25 PM] soO: ?
[9/9/2014 10:46:33 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I dont know, any
[9/9/2014 10:46:38 PM] soO: my chocie?
[9/9/2014 10:46:39 PM] soO: choice?
[9/9/2014 10:46:41 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: your choice
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
September 12 2014 10:59 GMT
#1088
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2222 Posts
September 12 2014 11:00 GMT
#1089
On September 12 2014 19:58 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:47 Edpayasugo wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?


He types decent english, not amazing but we understand each other for the most part + we use replays and actual games so its much easier to point out what we're talking about that way, when we talk strategy like this (BO/BO counter as oppossed to tactics or unit compositions) it's mostly just outlining the build after watching some replays, here's a bit about this particular build:

[9/9/2014 10:44:16 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: its only 13 scout normal
[9/9/2014 10:44:25 PM] soO: 13?
[9/9/2014 10:44:29 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: can later too
[9/9/2014 10:44:38 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but only need for this build: hatch first + scout
[9/9/2014 10:44:46 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I think 13 scout is good, then can hide drone
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: oh
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:45:11 PM] soO: um..
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] soO: u did 10 scout 1time or 2times
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: kk just react build
[9/9/2014 10:45:25 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: what map?
[9/9/2014 10:45:29 PM] soO: merry
[9/9/2014 10:45:31 PM] soO: and
[9/9/2014 10:45:33 PM] soO: dead wing
[9/9/2014 10:45:35 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: hrmmm if 10 scout
[9/9/2014 10:45:37 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: maybe because I want to try
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: TRUE hatch block time
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but see nexus > change
[9/9/2014 10:45:44 PM] soO: ah
[9/9/2014 10:45:47 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:45:53 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: 13 or 14 scout is best
[9/9/2014 10:46:09 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:46:11 PM] soO: good
[9/9/2014 10:46:13 PM] soO: i think very good
[9/9/2014 10:46:14 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: yes easy win merry and cata
[9/9/2014 10:46:21 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:46:22 PM] soO: vs super?
[9/9/2014 10:46:23 PM] soO: or
[9/9/2014 10:46:24 PM] soO: vs stats
[9/9/2014 10:46:25 PM] soO: ?
[9/9/2014 10:46:33 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I dont know, any
[9/9/2014 10:46:38 PM] soO: my chocie?
[9/9/2014 10:46:39 PM] soO: choice?
[9/9/2014 10:46:41 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: your choice


That is very interesting, thank you.
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 12 2014 11:03 GMT
#1090
On September 12 2014 19:58 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:47 Edpayasugo wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:08 juvenal wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:05 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On September 12 2014 18:44 LeLfe wrote:
hallucinated stalkers to defend vs Oracle, sOs is smart


It was probably Catz who taught him that.


Not sure you understand how sarcasm works, I taught soO the build that won him his only game today, you can check his twitter if you don't believe me. I understand you disagree with my opinions but that's just the wrong angle to attack them.

man I like you and your build is cool and stuff, but it's also kinda freakish and let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you either.


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?


He types decent english, not amazing but we understand each other for the most part + we use replays and actual games so its much easier to point out what we're talking about that way, when we talk strategy like this (BO/BO counter as oppossed to tactics or unit compositions) it's mostly just outlining the build after watching some replays, here's a bit about this particular build:

[9/9/2014 10:44:16 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: its only 13 scout normal
[9/9/2014 10:44:25 PM] soO: 13?
[9/9/2014 10:44:29 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: can later too
[9/9/2014 10:44:38 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but only need for this build: hatch first + scout
[9/9/2014 10:44:46 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I think 13 scout is good, then can hide drone
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: oh
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:45:11 PM] soO: um..
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] soO: u did 10 scout 1time or 2times
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: kk just react build
[9/9/2014 10:45:25 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: what map?
[9/9/2014 10:45:29 PM] soO: merry
[9/9/2014 10:45:31 PM] soO: and
[9/9/2014 10:45:33 PM] soO: dead wing
[9/9/2014 10:45:35 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: hrmmm if 10 scout
[9/9/2014 10:45:37 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: maybe because I want to try
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: TRUE hatch block time
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but see nexus > change
[9/9/2014 10:45:44 PM] soO: ah
[9/9/2014 10:45:47 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:45:53 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: 13 or 14 scout is best
[9/9/2014 10:46:09 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:46:11 PM] soO: good
[9/9/2014 10:46:13 PM] soO: i think very good
[9/9/2014 10:46:14 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: yes easy win merry and cata
[9/9/2014 10:46:21 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:46:22 PM] soO: vs super?
[9/9/2014 10:46:23 PM] soO: or
[9/9/2014 10:46:24 PM] soO: vs stats
[9/9/2014 10:46:25 PM] soO: ?
[9/9/2014 10:46:33 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I dont know, any
[9/9/2014 10:46:38 PM] soO: my chocie?
[9/9/2014 10:46:39 PM] soO: choice?
[9/9/2014 10:46:41 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: your choice

haha, this is great! SC2 language
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
September 12 2014 11:06 GMT
#1091
Artosis curse + Bomber's Law was just too much for Rain to handle.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 11:31:42
September 12 2014 11:14 GMT
#1092
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

**Edit, after reading your previous comment** Idk why I'd even want to hide it was my strategy if they lost with it, they wouldn't use it if it wasn't good / didn't do well in practice while testing it. Solar used my spore rush on habitation station and lost with it for example, but he won every game in practice with it, and I don't think the build ultimately lost him the game, idk why I'd feel bad or hide it, I was very excited just watching that game. I don't just randomly tell them a bo and expect them to do it in the GSL, also a lot of it comes to playstyle not everyone can do everything - soO's pretty open to aggressive ideas where DRG for the most part prefers macro for example, one of the players I talk to might be very comfortable against cannon rush or double rax, where the other one wouldn't 15 hatch and 13 scout because they're not comfortable vs cannon rush from that position for instance, so this strat wouldn't suit them, I discuss more tactics than strategy with DRG where I discuss more BO's with soO, but whenever they use one of my builds or even just tactics that makes me happy, that's a win for me in some ways, regardless of the ultimate outcome, cause that means that they think that's their best shot in that particular game the compliment in that alone and the ego stroke I get for free is nice.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 12 2014 11:18 GMT
#1093
On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.


Noooo. Don't help soO beat Stats
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 12 2014 11:19 GMT
#1094
Thats actually pretty cool Catz
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 12 2014 11:20 GMT
#1095
On September 12 2014 20:18 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.


Noooo. Don't help soO beat Stats

Don't listen to him CatZ! Help soO to beat Stats!!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
September 12 2014 11:25 GMT
#1096
Wow, I don't think I can be happier then I am now to learn that Bomber shattered my prediction by defeating Rain, fuck yeah!!!
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
September 12 2014 11:30 GMT
#1097
On September 12 2014 20:25 Destructicon wrote:
Wow, I don't think I can be happier then I am now to learn that Bomber shattered my prediction by defeating Rain, fuck yeah!!!


Your prediction is still the best of everyone's.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
September 12 2014 11:36 GMT
#1098
Well done Bomber, who said that Koreigner can't do a shit against a Korean?
:3
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3772 Posts
September 12 2014 11:41 GMT
#1099
On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

**Edit, after reading your previous comment** Idk why I'd even want to hide it was my strategy if they lost with it, they wouldn't use it if it wasn't good / didn't do well in practice while testing it. Solar used my spore rush on habitation station and lost with it for example, but he won every game in practice with it, and I don't think the build ultimately lost him the game, idk why I'd feel bad or hide it, I was very excited just watching that game. I don't just randomly tell them a bo and expect them to do it in the GSL, also a lot of it comes to playstyle not everyone can do everything - soO's pretty open to aggressive ideas where DRG for the most part prefers macro for example, one of the players I talk to might be very comfortable against cannon rush or double rax, where the other one wouldn't 15 hatch and 13 scout because they're not comfortable vs cannon rush from that position for instance, so this strat wouldn't suit them, I discuss more tactics than strategy with DRG where I discuss more BO's with soO, but whenever they use one of my builds or even just tactics that makes me happy, that's a win for me in some ways, regardless of the ultimate outcome, cause that means that they think that's their best shot in that particular game the compliment in that alone and the ego stroke I get for free is nice.

Super impressive, CatZ!

I completely understand your position - to see your idea used in arguably most competetive scene in SC2 must be pure joy.
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
September 12 2014 11:48 GMT
#1100
On September 12 2014 20:41 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:56 bo1b wrote:
Must suck being a pro player who communicates with the community and then has people going out of there way to lambast him lol

Also, even if he lost every game he's ever played from catz strategies, it's his fault for using them in the first place.


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

**Edit, after reading your previous comment** Idk why I'd even want to hide it was my strategy if they lost with it, they wouldn't use it if it wasn't good / didn't do well in practice while testing it. Solar used my spore rush on habitation station and lost with it for example, but he won every game in practice with it, and I don't think the build ultimately lost him the game, idk why I'd feel bad or hide it, I was very excited just watching that game. I don't just randomly tell them a bo and expect them to do it in the GSL, also a lot of it comes to playstyle not everyone can do everything - soO's pretty open to aggressive ideas where DRG for the most part prefers macro for example, one of the players I talk to might be very comfortable against cannon rush or double rax, where the other one wouldn't 15 hatch and 13 scout because they're not comfortable vs cannon rush from that position for instance, so this strat wouldn't suit them, I discuss more tactics than strategy with DRG where I discuss more BO's with soO, but whenever they use one of my builds or even just tactics that makes me happy, that's a win for me in some ways, regardless of the ultimate outcome, cause that means that they think that's their best shot in that particular game the compliment in that alone and the ego stroke I get for free is nice.

Super impressive, CatZ!

I completely understand your position - to see your idea used in arguably most competetive scene in SC2 must be pure joy.


Thank you, yeah it's very exciting to know exactly what they'll do before they do it, it's fun to watch how the build unfolds, and sometimes it's even exciting to facepalm if they mess something up or I disagree with a decision, for istance, when soO did the spine rush vs Trap, I thought the game was much closer than it needed to be, Trap's reaction was weak but soO messed up a few details so I was worried and even somewhat nervous that it wouldn't work
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
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