[KeSPA Cup] 2014 - Day 2 - Page 55

On September 12 2014 19:35 ROOTCatZ wrote:


Do not know how to respond to this, idk what you mean by freakish it's a pretty complex build, also idk where the "let's not pretend Soo is winning games because of you" thing even comes from, I think that soO's the best zerg in the world with or without me, there's no doubt about that for me, but I do share / talk a lot of strategy with him, and specifically taught him 2 build orders extensively and helped him prepare for two very important matches with builds I created which resulted in wins, would he have won those matches otherwise? there's no real well to tell, but as far as your statement goes, he has won/secured at least 2 games directly because of me.

On September 12 2014 19:47 Edpayasugo wrote:



Does soO speak good English, or do you speak some Korean, or do you both just muddle through?

On September 12 2014 19:58 ROOTCatZ wrote:


He types decent english, not amazing but we understand each other for the most part + we use replays and actual games so its much easier to point out what we're talking about that way, when we talk strategy like this (BO/BO counter as oppossed to tactics or unit compositions) it's mostly just outlining the build after watching some replays, here's a bit about this particular build:

[9/9/2014 10:44:16 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: its only 13 scout normal
[9/9/2014 10:44:25 PM] soO: 13?
[9/9/2014 10:44:29 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: can later too
[9/9/2014 10:44:38 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but only need for this build: hatch first + scout
[9/9/2014 10:44:46 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I think 13 scout is good, then can hide drone
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: oh
[9/9/2014 10:44:57 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:45:11 PM] soO: um..
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] soO: u did 10 scout 1time or 2times
[9/9/2014 10:45:13 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: kk just react build
[9/9/2014 10:45:25 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: what map?
[9/9/2014 10:45:29 PM] soO: merry
[9/9/2014 10:45:31 PM] soO: and
[9/9/2014 10:45:33 PM] soO: dead wing
[9/9/2014 10:45:35 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: hrmmm if 10 scout
[9/9/2014 10:45:37 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: maybe because I want to try
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: TRUE hatch block time
[9/9/2014 10:45:39 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: but see nexus > change
[9/9/2014 10:45:44 PM] soO: ah
[9/9/2014 10:45:47 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:45:53 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: 13 or 14 scout is best
[9/9/2014 10:46:09 PM] soO: ok
[9/9/2014 10:46:11 PM] soO: good
[9/9/2014 10:46:13 PM] soO: i think very good
[9/9/2014 10:46:14 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: yes easy win merry and cata
[9/9/2014 10:46:21 PM] soO: kk
[9/9/2014 10:46:22 PM] soO: vs super?
[9/9/2014 10:46:23 PM] soO: or
[9/9/2014 10:46:24 PM] soO: vs stats
[9/9/2014 10:46:25 PM] soO: ?
[9/9/2014 10:46:33 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: I dont know, any
[9/9/2014 10:46:38 PM] soO: my chocie?
[9/9/2014 10:46:39 PM] soO: choice?
[9/9/2014 10:46:41 PM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: your choice

On September 12 2014 19:59 Caihead wrote:


I'm just not buying this confirmation bias, Catz is a great innovative player and it's good for him that he's had the privilege of playing with korean pros and communicating with him, but if all you do is take credit for wins and ignore the losses then you are presenting a very slanted view of yourself.

On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

On September 12 2014 20:25 Destructicon wrote:
Wow, I don't think I can be happier then I am now to learn that Bomber shattered my prediction by defeating Rain, fuck yeah!!!

On September 12 2014 20:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:


Whenever someone has used my strats and I know its coming I tweet before or while they do it, not after they win or lose, and it's normally, in this case, soO who approaches me to help him prepare, not the other way around.

[1:33:39 AM] Paulo "CatZ" Vizcarra: good night and don't worry about it, just focus GSL
[1:34:01 AM] soO: thank you
[1:34:03 AM] soO: ><
[3:36:52 AM] soO: if you have a good strategy tell me please
[3:36:59 AM] soO: i must beat stats
[3:37:00 AM] soO: T_T

As I said before I think soO'd be the best zerg in the world right now, with or without my 'help', but when you say I have the privilege of playing and communicating with him it makes it sound like he's the only one doing me a favor here, I think we both in different ways benefit from it - to be quite honest, the exposure for me is pretty nice, even tho I think most people never get to find out where some ideas came from - on top of that soO's a friend and I'm happy to help him if I can, but that help is not only welcome and appreciated, it's also normally requested.

**Edit, after reading your previous comment** Idk why I'd even want to hide it was my strategy if they lost with it, they wouldn't use it if it wasn't good / didn't do well in practice while testing it. Solar used my spore rush on habitation station and lost with it for example, but he won every game in practice with it, and I don't think the build ultimately lost him the game, idk why I'd feel bad or hide it, I was very excited just watching that game. I don't just randomly tell them a bo and expect them to do it in the GSL, also a lot of it comes to playstyle not everyone can do everything - soO's pretty open to aggressive ideas where DRG for the most part prefers macro for example, one of the players I talk to might be very comfortable against cannon rush or double rax, where the other one wouldn't 15 hatch and 13 scout because they're not comfortable vs cannon rush from that position for instance, so this strat wouldn't suit them, I discuss more tactics than strategy with DRG where I discuss more BO's with soO, but whenever they use one of my builds or even just tactics that makes me happy, that's a win for me in some ways, regardless of the ultimate outcome, cause that means that they think that's their best shot in that particular game the compliment in that alone and the ego stroke I get for free is nice.

On September 12 2014 20:41 nimdil wrote:

Super impressive, CatZ!

I completely understand your position - to see your idea used in arguably most competetive scene in SC2 must be pure joy.