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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 29 2014 14:04 GMT
#341
god fucking damn it Huk you were SO CLOSE
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
August 29 2014 14:05 GMT
#342
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


Crazy that he lost it, Muta switch is... can win lost games.
WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 29 2014 14:05 GMT
#343
All Korean Group B.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KaneMX
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany151 Posts
August 29 2014 14:05 GMT
#344
Yes yes yes!!! Very happy
TokO: "Starcraft 2 is after all a game of 'being the bigger dick' to the opponent."
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#345
Leenock is awesome
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#346
Aww yeah Leenock!!
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#347
huk was playing way too passive after he got the lead. allowed leenock to go up to mutas
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#348
On August 29 2014 23:05 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


Crazy that he lost it, Muta switch is... can win lost games.


Well i meant after the recall to the main directly into Leenocks army, i never thought he would win that fight
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#349
Now show hero vs snute pleaseee
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#350
Woah, Maynard dreds.
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#351
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


He was ahead most of the game, who the heck would that have been crazy?!
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 14:06:33
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#352
On August 29 2014 23:01 stuchiu wrote:
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On August 29 2014 22:28 Lorning wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:27 Zealously wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:24 Serinox wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:22 Zealously wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:21 Circumstance wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:14 Circumstance wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:12 Die4Ever wrote:
[quote]
no it's before



On August 29 2014 22:12 Shellshock wrote:
[quote]
Washington is in September and Blizzcon is in November


Wait... Washington doesn't have any qualifiers, right? :S


And now someone's catching on. You could argue they had one, won by Cure, but no more.


There were a lot of qualifiers, actually. All the individual RB events act as qualifiers, and they had their own set of qualifiers.


The individual Red Bull events acted as events. Full tournaments with their own stages, match-by-match schedules, and three of them with their own WCS points. Those are NOT qualifiers.


They act like qualifiers, just like the DH:Open events did for Dreamhack Winter last year.

I think he is getting what you mean, but says that this method of player seeding cannot be counted as qualifiers defined in the WCS rules.


Blizzard have demonstrated that they are willing to very nearly ignore their own rules. A big tournament like DC will have WCS points, I can almost guarantee it.

Maybe we should make our own WCS point list, with actual rules


Each year we get about 13-20 Premier events before Blizzcon. There are 3 seasons of WCS and maybe 2 global/kespa cups. Looking at the pure WCS point distibution Premier events all got 4k points each. WCS events get 10k each, but split into three different regions, meaning each WCS region gets 30k in WCS events and some of the top players get a shot at 14k more due to Kespa Cup/Global Cup.

This means Premier foreigner events are holding up anywhere between 52k-80k are up for grabs compared to 104k in WCS (Though realistically any one player from any region can compete for only 30k-44k at the absolute best). This means that for the average player, foreign lans are weighted to be twice as important as WCS events. To make it even worse, WCS points in WCS events are weighted towards the champion as they want to seed the Champions into Blizcon, but because of that consistent players that can't go out to lans (Vortix, TRUE, soO, Maru, etc.) are all essentially at a massive disadvantage.

This isn't even going into Tier 2 events, of which there can be anywhere between 5-15 per year. Which give another 3.5k of WCS points putting consistent performers in the main WCS events at a worse position.

This isn't even going into the blatant disregard of guidelines or a standardized rules set across the board as to what event gets how many points. The most blatant example of this was Gfinity G3. Put as a Major event, it stil gives first place as many points as a winner of a Premier tournament like DH, IEM or MLG. On top of that 3/4 of the players were invited for a total pool of 12 players.

Yet at the same time, a tournament like ECL and the TesLs have more qualified players than invited and get 1/2 the WCS points (or none in the case of ECL). Even tournaments similar to Gfinity in terms of qualified to invited players like LSC, Fragbite, or the Copenhagen games got half the points despite having almost the exact same ratio of qualified players to invigted players (or in the case of Fragbite 0 WCS points).

Basically there is no unifying idea behind the allotment of WCS points. It's not giving a helping hand to local events or copenhagen games/ECL/Tesl probably would have gotten more. It's not trying to choose a best player like last year. It's not setting strict rules on what kind of basic structures we want WCS endorsed events to be. It doesn't particulalry favor players in the WCS main events beyond the champion. What the fuck are you trying to achieve by giving out WCS points? I actually can't tell.


Blizzard should hire you to fix it
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#353
On August 29 2014 23:05 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


Crazy that he lost it, Muta switch is... can win lost games.


How hard is it to scout muta switches out with hallu phoenixes... meh
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#354
On August 29 2014 23:05 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


Crazy that he lost it, Muta switch is... can win lost games.

Well scouting and game sense is a counter to muta switch
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#355
Korea holds (for now)!
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
August 29 2014 14:06 GMT
#356
(Wiki)King of lower bracket does it again
Liquipedia"Expert"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 29 2014 14:07 GMT
#357
Well that was a depressing way to start the day. I have a feeling it's gonna be a full day of that when Scarlett, Bunny and everyone else I like loses out.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
August 29 2014 14:07 GMT
#358
Well than, Huk I guess hasn't improved as much as possible.

Perhaps his WCS performance will improve.

We have only Scarlett as the Great North Hope.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
August 29 2014 14:07 GMT
#359
On August 29 2014 23:05 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 23:04 BlackCompany wrote:
Haha, hero roach warren
Crazy that Huk almost won that


Crazy that he lost it, Muta switch is... can win lost games.


It was also Leenock going continuously for base trades with the roach hydra army rather than engaging, that made the difference too.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 29 2014 14:07 GMT
#360
On August 29 2014 23:06 Inflicted wrote:
(Wiki)King of lower bracket does it again

RIP FXO.
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