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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
July 18 2014 15:39 GMT
#221
to be fair about this tournament, seeing harstem and uthermal lose, perhaps theire thoughts are at the 1XX death dutch people ... sad days
its even hard for me to enjoy a tournament on such a day
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 18 2014 15:39 GMT
#222
On July 19 2014 00:38 JanDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:33 Xoronius wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote:
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,

Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.

Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)


I'm sorry but if Harstem lose 2 bo3's he doesen't deserve to advance in either case. Also, Velego has better overall score 4-3 to Harstem's 3-4. I agree it could be better for Harstem if system would be all to play vs all, but this system is used for years and I don't see someone is particulary harmed by it. I think you are more angry because you think GS3 would have more quality if Harstem advances but I don't think he deserves to spot more then Velego does. It could also be reverse, if Harstem lost first bo3 and won second one, they you wouldn't whine I suppose.

It's Xoronius. He always whines about this group format
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
July 18 2014 15:40 GMT
#223
On July 19 2014 00:35 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:33 Xoronius wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote:
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,

Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.

Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)


Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?

Difficult question. From a totally neutral perspective it changes nothing about the fairness, but I guess, the advancement would still have been more deseved, as it was under more comparable circumstances. I'd probably still be a bit bitter about it on the inside, but I definitly wouldn't have ranted about the system, as I did.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
July 18 2014 15:40 GMT
#224
damn this song again
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
July 18 2014 15:42 GMT
#225
Demuslim ... ouch!
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
July 18 2014 15:42 GMT
#226
On July 19 2014 00:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:33 Xoronius wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote:
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,

Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.

Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)


How happy are you with Destiny?

I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
July 18 2014 15:43 GMT
#227
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Valencia/Group_Stage_2

Group Stage 2 is finished!
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
July 18 2014 15:43 GMT
#228
On July 19 2014 00:40 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:35 DJHelium wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:33 Xoronius wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote:
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,

Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.

Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)


Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?

Difficult question. From a totally neutral perspective it changes nothing about the fairness, but I guess, the advancement would still have been more deseved, as it was under more comparable circumstances. I'd probably still be a bit bitter about it on the inside, but I definitly wouldn't have ranted about the system, as I did.


It could be worse, he could've lost due to a coinflip!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 18 2014 15:44 GMT
#229
Leave it to a fucking chair to keep you in shape

holy shit wtf
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 18 2014 15:44 GMT
#230
Marinlord and First each 2-0/2-0 in their group on liquipedia, nice magic !
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
July 18 2014 15:44 GMT
#231
this chair commerical hnnnnnnng
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
July 18 2014 15:45 GMT
#232
On July 19 2014 00:25 Yhamm wrote:
(P)Majestic 2-0 (T)DeMusliM

demu is out


Any chance I can change my team logo from EG to JaecontroL?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 18 2014 15:46 GMT
#233
On July 19 2014 00:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:25 Yhamm wrote:
(P)Majestic 2-0 (T)DeMusliM

demu is out


Any chance I can change my team logo from EG to JaecontroL?

Fair weather fan detected?
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
July 18 2014 15:46 GMT
#234
Only 5 terran's :S Blizz has to do smth. (I am not T player myself )
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
July 18 2014 15:47 GMT
#235
On July 19 2014 00:46 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:25 Yhamm wrote:
(P)Majestic 2-0 (T)DeMusliM

demu is out


Any chance I can change my team logo from EG to JaecontroL?

Fair weather fan detected?


I've had the EG logo for a very long time Years. It used to be SKT though, and I'm considering changing it back.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 18 2014 15:49 GMT
#236
On July 19 2014 00:46 JanDe wrote:
Only 5 terran's :S Blizz has to do smth. (I am not T player myself )

Regarding Terran, the only real upset so far was uThermal not advancing.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
July 18 2014 15:49 GMT
#237
On July 19 2014 00:38 JanDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:33 Xoronius wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote:
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,

Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.

Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)


I'm sorry but if Harstem lose 2 bo3's he doesen't deserve to advance in either case. Also, Velego has better overall score 4-3 to Harstem's 3-4. I agree it could be better for Harstem if system would be all to play vs all, but this system is used for years and I don't see someone is particulary harmed by it. I think you are more angry because you think GS3 would have more quality if Harstem advances but I don't think he deserves to spot more then Velego does. It could also be reverse, if Harstem lost first bo3 and won second one, they you wouldn't whine I suppose.

This has nothing to do with the players involved in it. I wrote just a few pages ago, that I am completely fine with Zerghamdi advancing, since his win would have been the same in RR. And yes, ofc. the system would be as bad, if Velegos and Harstems roles would be switched. The fact, that (as you say) the order of wins decides the advancemnt should be enough to disqualify it completely.

Anyway, I'm sorry for having lost my composure and derailing the LR, I think we should get to more productive topics again now.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7201 Posts
July 18 2014 15:50 GMT
#238
dat ZvZ grp for Serral
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
July 18 2014 15:51 GMT
#239
Demuslim should really stop playing at this point, he's just embarrassing himself...
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 18 2014 15:51 GMT
#240
2nd Zerg only group for Nerchio

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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