DreamHack Valencia HyuN has a ~ 10.03 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % ForGG has a ~ 7.79 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 19.46 % to ~ 45.28 % StarDust has a ~ 7.76 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % MC has a ~ 6.4 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Patience has a ~ 6.27 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 5.51 % to ~ 10.45 % + Show Spoiler [More] +
Bomber has a ~ 5.86 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 99.99 % to ~ 100 % First has a ~ 5.12 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 5.01 % to ~ 9.45 % VortiX has a ~ 4.8 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 6.57 % to ~ 13.95 % Leenock has a ~ 4.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 1.31 % to ~ 3.57 % Bunny has a ~ 4.05 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 2.92 % to ~ 7.73 % PiG has a ~ 3.69 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.19 % YoDa has a ~ 2.78 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 2.75 % Golden has a ~ 2.72 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 2.55 % to ~ 5.9 % Nerchio has a ~ 2.25 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 2.63 % elfi has a ~ 2.24 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.02 % Dayshi has a ~ 2.21 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 1.95 % Starbuck has a ~ 2.08 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % Sacsri has a ~ 1.91 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.06 % to ~ 0.6 % Grubby has a ~ 1.85 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.71 % to ~ 2.33 % Stephano has a ~ 1.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.13 % to ~ 0.89 % uThermal has a ~ 1.79 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.09 % to ~ 0.6 % TargA has a ~ 1.76 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.07 % to ~ 0.66 % MaNa has a ~ 1.69 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 1.22 % to ~ 3.17 % HuK has a ~ 1.59 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.9 % to ~ 2.74 % Serral has a ~ 1.47 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.05 % to ~ 0.43 % Harstem has a ~ 1.38 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.22 % to ~ 1.2 % JYP has a ~ 1.09 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0 % Tefel has a ~ 1.08 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.27 % MarineLord has a ~ 0.84 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Ret has a ~ 0.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.04 % DeMusliM has a ~ 0.25 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0 %
DreamHack Valencia HyuN has a ~ 10.03 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % ForGG has a ~ 7.79 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 19.46 % to ~ 45.28 % StarDust has a ~ 7.76 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % MC has a ~ 6.4 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Patience has a ~ 6.27 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 5.51 % to ~ 10.45 % + Show Spoiler [More] +
Bomber has a ~ 5.86 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 99.99 % to ~ 100 % First has a ~ 5.12 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 5.01 % to ~ 9.45 % VortiX has a ~ 4.8 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 6.57 % to ~ 13.95 % Leenock has a ~ 4.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 1.31 % to ~ 3.57 % Bunny has a ~ 4.05 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 2.92 % to ~ 7.73 % PiG has a ~ 3.69 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.19 % YoDa has a ~ 2.78 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 2.75 % Golden has a ~ 2.72 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 2.55 % to ~ 5.9 % Nerchio has a ~ 2.25 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 2.63 % elfi has a ~ 2.24 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.02 % Dayshi has a ~ 2.21 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.72 % to ~ 1.95 % Starbuck has a ~ 2.08 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.01 % Sacsri has a ~ 1.91 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.06 % to ~ 0.6 % Grubby has a ~ 1.85 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.71 % to ~ 2.33 % Stephano has a ~ 1.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.13 % to ~ 0.89 % uThermal has a ~ 1.79 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.09 % to ~ 0.6 % TargA has a ~ 1.76 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.07 % to ~ 0.66 % MaNa has a ~ 1.69 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 1.22 % to ~ 3.17 % HuK has a ~ 1.59 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.9 % to ~ 2.74 % Serral has a ~ 1.47 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.05 % to ~ 0.43 % Harstem has a ~ 1.38 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.22 % to ~ 1.2 % JYP has a ~ 1.09 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0 % Tefel has a ~ 1.08 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.03 % to ~ 0.27 % MarineLord has a ~ 0.84 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Ret has a ~ 0.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.04 % DeMusliM has a ~ 0.25 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0 %
did you just answer your own question and thank yourself?
I had a conversation with myself in gchat back in WoW when the server went down and I was the only one left in the raid instance. I had some pretty fierce disagreements but I parted with myself on amiable terms.
On July 18 2014 18:57 Yes Im Otto wrote: I thought Stephano already retired, how come he is in this?
this is probably a study break/free spare cash for stephano. Nothing wrong with him competing
Absolutely nothing wrong, just weird that he already announced he retired....if it was me, if I say I retire then I will not play anymore, period. Pretty sure Stephano retired ages ago and still is participating in tournaments just as many as other pros, and still streams etc, just like any other pro lol. Stephano is not retired. Maybe he does it so in the case he does lose, he can say "congrats you beat a retired player".
On July 18 2014 18:57 Yes Im Otto wrote: I thought Stephano already retired, how come he is in this?
this is probably a study break/free spare cash for stephano. Nothing wrong with him competing
Absolutely nothing wrong, just weird that he already announced he retired....if it was me, if I say I retire then I will not play anymore, period. Pretty sure Stephano retired ages ago and still is participating in tournaments just as many as other pros, and still streams etc, just like any other pro lol. Stephano is not retired. Maybe he does it so in the case he does lose, he can say "congrats you beat a retired player".
Stephano isnt a pro player anymore, that's all his retirement meant
On July 18 2014 18:57 Yes Im Otto wrote: I thought Stephano already retired, how come he is in this?
this is probably a study break/free spare cash for stephano. Nothing wrong with him competing
Absolutely nothing wrong, just weird that he already announced he retired....if it was me, if I say I retire then I will not play anymore, period. Pretty sure Stephano retired ages ago and still is participating in tournaments just as many as other pros, and still streams etc, just like any other pro lol. Stephano is not retired. Maybe he does it so in the case he does lose, he can say "congrats you beat a retired player".
He doesn't play Starcraft for a living anymore, that's what retirement is.
On July 18 2014 18:57 Yes Im Otto wrote: I thought Stephano already retired, how come he is in this?
this is probably a study break/free spare cash for stephano. Nothing wrong with him competing
Absolutely nothing wrong, just weird that he already announced he retired....if it was me, if I say I retire then I will not play anymore, period. Pretty sure Stephano retired ages ago and still is participating in tournaments just as many as other pros, and still streams etc, just like any other pro lol. Stephano is not retired. Maybe he does it so in the case he does lose, he can say "congrats you beat a retired player".
He doesn't play Starcraft for a living anymore, that's what retirement is.
No he has dance battles with MC for a living, much more relaxed but unfortunately he will never win
On July 18 2014 21:46 Zheryn wrote: Where's the scoreboard in this overlay?
I don't know where anything is... Twitch was giving me an overlay over the stream so I couldn't see anything on the top... (seems to have gone away finally).
Is source Full HD? I just got a new laptop with full HD screan and source doesnt look as crisp as I hoped it would. (and I am not asking just to brag about my new laptop :D )
On July 18 2014 22:21 SatedSC2 wrote: I love seeing Mech play given that there are so many naysayers when it comes to the viability of said composition...
... of course it does mean that we could be heading into a Goody-style 45+ minute Raven/Tank vs. Swarm Host game!
this isn't mech play, though? it's just some hellions to harass.
On July 18 2014 22:23 Qwerty85 wrote: Is source Full HD? I just got a new laptop with full HD screan and source doesnt look as crisp as I hoped it would. (and I am not asking just to brag about my new laptop :D )
On July 18 2014 22:26 Schelim wrote: 17k viewers and only 5 pages of comments? wtf?
welcome to groupstage 2 as all of the spaniards are removed as a part of dreamhack formality noone watches, you must wait atleast till two well known foreigners are playing each other for there to be comments or a korean having a meltdown.
On July 18 2014 22:49 DJHelium wrote: Isn't the production tab a bit too small? I have a hard time seeing the numbers. Granted I do watch in a small window, but usually I can manage!
On July 18 2014 22:57 SoSexy wrote: These games always go the same way. Foreigner seems to hold ground well then gets smashed
I watched a typical Ret game. 94 supply in drones against terran who is on 55-60 SCVs + attacking off creep and against 3-3 upgrades... He was doing great from the start but he needed to get rid of at least 20 drones
On July 18 2014 22:54 Elyvilon wrote: Yoda seems pretty far behind.
man look at this idiot
Yeah so dumb!
I do agree though :D Sloppy by Ret to overdrone and not mine gas. Could get static defense on the right side to help with drops or even some spines in front of his 5th to prevent small groups of bio poking in.
Would like to see some more pressure from Yoda in the next game.
Some more banelings probably wont save Ret there, but it kinda shows how hard it is to transition into hive and 3/3, and why players like DongRaeGu stay on lair tech for a loooooong time.
Leenock and Bomber as second places are setting up some groups of death for the next round, but good result for TargA, should make his advancement towards the top 16 a lot easier.
On July 18 2014 23:21 ThomasjServo wrote: Botvinnik has one of my favorite names in SC2.
Chess lover?
Yessir, not very good, just broke into the 1300s, but working every day.
Congratz on the breakthrough though! ELO or national rating?
Just on Chess.com, which comes with a grain of salt as I understand it, I have the ICC client on my PC at home but am a bit nervous to play on it. Haven't committed the funds to the organizing bodies to get ranked officially.
I've spent a few Tuesdays at the MN Chess Castle for casual night, but the community around the game is... difficult.
On July 18 2014 23:21 ThomasjServo wrote: Botvinnik has one of my favorite names in SC2.
Chess lover?
Yessir, not very good, just broke into the 1300s, but working every day.
Congratz on the breakthrough though! ELO or national rating?
Just on Chess.com, which comes with a grain of salt as I understand it, I have the ICC client on my PC at home but am a bit nervous to play on it. Haven't committed the funds to the organizing bodies to get ranked officially.
Ah, ok, yes, it's fairly hard to translate ranking points from websites to offline points. Some are fairly equal, others seem to differ by up to 500 points. I mostly play offline, so I have no clue, how Chess.com specifically is to be rated.
On July 18 2014 23:21 ThomasjServo wrote: Botvinnik has one of my favorite names in SC2.
Chess lover?
Yessir, not very good, just broke into the 1300s, but working every day.
Congratz on the breakthrough though! ELO or national rating?
Just on Chess.com, which comes with a grain of salt as I understand it, I have the ICC client on my PC at home but am a bit nervous to play on it. Haven't committed the funds to the organizing bodies to get ranked officially.
Ah, ok, yes, it's fairly hard to translate ranking points from websites to offline points. Some are fairly equal, others seem to differ by up to 500 points. I mostly play offline, so I have no clue, how Chess.com specifically is to be rated.
Chess.com seems to have a stigma about it from what I've been able to tell. Chess cube is fairly popular. ICC, is kind of dauntingly difficult, but I bet it would be like training in KR, would whip you into shape in no time.
On July 18 2014 23:21 ThomasjServo wrote: Botvinnik has one of my favorite names in SC2.
Chess lover?
Yessir, not very good, just broke into the 1300s, but working every day.
Congratz on the breakthrough though! ELO or national rating?
Just on Chess.com, which comes with a grain of salt as I understand it, I have the ICC client on my PC at home but am a bit nervous to play on it. Haven't committed the funds to the organizing bodies to get ranked officially.
Ah, ok, yes, it's fairly hard to translate ranking points from websites to offline points. Some are fairly equal, others seem to differ by up to 500 points. I mostly play offline, so I have no clue, how Chess.com specifically is to be rated.
Chess.com seems to have a stigma about it from what I've been able to tell. Chess cube is fairly popular. ICC, is kind of dauntingly difficult, but I bet it would be like training in KR, would whip you into shape in no time.
Chess.com is the path of least resistance.
I think the main reason for Chesscubes popularity is, that they have really good anti-hacking programms, though. A friend of mine plays on chesscube and has about the same rating there, that I have offline and I don't think, I have ever lost to him, so there seems to be at least some kind of inflation.
On July 18 2014 23:51 Drake wrote: what was result of stephano nerchio ? in wiki its like freewin
Sleep was more precious than winning.
stephano mastermind seen thta 2nd place is better also not to reveal his strats ... haha kidding he goes sh every game xDDD the zvz's vs nerchio would have been 3 hours every game he just dont want that xDD
On July 18 2014 23:51 Drake wrote: what was result of stephano nerchio ? in wiki its like freewin ah ok w,o. because of late ? sounds like a nerchio move ^^
Sounds like a Nerchio move that Stephano is late? Sounds more like a Stephano move...
On July 18 2014 23:51 Drake wrote: what was result of stephano nerchio ? in wiki its like freewin ah ok w,o. because of late ? sounds like a nerchio move ^^
Sounds like a Nerchio move that Stephano is late? Sounds more like a Stephano move...
Honestly the situation is exactly what I would expect from those 2 meeting each other in a tournament.
I missed the whole Nerchio walkover over Stephano. Did Stephano just skip that match because he knew Nerchio and Stephano would both make top two and progress? Or is it just Stephano not caring again?
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
or velego learnt more from the 1st match than harstem. but you know logic and stuff...
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
Harstem won vs Velego. Harstem loses to HyuN. Velego won vs WaKa. Velego won vs Harstem.
Winning vs Waka>Losing vs HyuN. Velego advances.
They count matches, not games.
The system isn't perfect, but I wouldn't say total disaster. Best one we got imo.
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
or velego learnt more from the 1st match than harstem. but you know logic and stuff...
Let's just assume, that that would be the case: In that case Velego can think of a counter to Harstem while losing the first match, but Harstem wouldn't be able to do the same, because losing the second would already eliminate him. If you argue with logic, don't break the logic chain after half of it.
Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancing, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldnt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehow I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdi from Turkey is just stomping on his first foreign tournament! He is from my team, HWA and we are so much proud of him! If you need any infos or contact about him just ask ^_^
GO HAMDİ GO!
ps: his own account got locked because of blizzard on tournament area so he is playing with some Dreamhack acc with spanish client...
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancing, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldnt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehow I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Agreed, I was fully expecting no one from the first stage to make it past, these two are pleasant surprises.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?
What you want is some sort of extended series, giving advantage to the player coming from the winner's match. I think most people don't like the extended series format. I like how it's match wins that count, not game wins.
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
this system is significantly older than the GSL
the MSL Survivor and Ro32 used it, except with Bo1s. Also I think the ODT used it but that was before my time.
It's also a pretty good system because it lets them be efficient with time, allowing them to do a group stage with only 5 matches total; it's basically a 4-man mini double elimination bracket.
On July 19 2014 00:12 Yhamm wrote: Velego 2-1 Harstem
Harstem 3-2 Velego Harstem plays Hyun as third match Velego plays WaKa as third match. Velego advances. Congratulations GSL system, you have once again proven to be a total disaster.
Blame Harstem for losing to a no-name. That's what Dreamhack is all about: having half of each group contain players who are recognizable and half of each group contain up-and-coming no-name players attempting to make a breakthrough. It rarely happens but let's at least appreciate it when it does.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
I'm sorry but if Harstem lose 2 bo3's he doesen't deserve to advance in either case. Also, Velego has better overall score 4-3 to Harstem's 3-4. I agree it could be better for Harstem if system would be all to play vs all, but this system is used for years and I don't see someone is particulary harmed by it. I think you are more angry because you think GS3 would have more quality if Harstem advances but I don't think he deserves to spot more then Velego does. It could also be reverse, if Harstem lost first bo3 and won second one, they you wouldn't whine I suppose.
to be fair about this tournament, seeing harstem and uthermal lose, perhaps theire thoughts are at the 1XX death dutch people ... sad days its even hard for me to enjoy a tournament on such a day
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
I'm sorry but if Harstem lose 2 bo3's he doesen't deserve to advance in either case. Also, Velego has better overall score 4-3 to Harstem's 3-4. I agree it could be better for Harstem if system would be all to play vs all, but this system is used for years and I don't see someone is particulary harmed by it. I think you are more angry because you think GS3 would have more quality if Harstem advances but I don't think he deserves to spot more then Velego does. It could also be reverse, if Harstem lost first bo3 and won second one, they you wouldn't whine I suppose.
It's Xoronius. He always whines about this group format
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?
Difficult question. From a totally neutral perspective it changes nothing about the fairness, but I guess, the advancement would still have been more deseved, as it was under more comparable circumstances. I'd probably still be a bit bitter about it on the inside, but I definitly wouldn't have ranted about the system, as I did.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
How happy are you with Destiny?
I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?
Difficult question. From a totally neutral perspective it changes nothing about the fairness, but I guess, the advancement would still have been more deseved, as it was under more comparable circumstances. I'd probably still be a bit bitter about it on the inside, but I definitly wouldn't have ranted about the system, as I did.
It could be worse, he could've lost due to a coinflip!
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
I'm sorry but if Harstem lose 2 bo3's he doesen't deserve to advance in either case. Also, Velego has better overall score 4-3 to Harstem's 3-4. I agree it could be better for Harstem if system would be all to play vs all, but this system is used for years and I don't see someone is particulary harmed by it. I think you are more angry because you think GS3 would have more quality if Harstem advances but I don't think he deserves to spot more then Velego does. It could also be reverse, if Harstem lost first bo3 and won second one, they you wouldn't whine I suppose.
This has nothing to do with the players involved in it. I wrote just a few pages ago, that I am completely fine with Zerghamdi advancing, since his win would have been the same in RR. And yes, ofc. the system would be as bad, if Velegos and Harstems roles would be switched. The fact, that (as you say) the order of wins decides the advancemnt should be enough to disqualify it completely.
Anyway, I'm sorry for having lost my composure and derailing the LR, I think we should get to more productive topics again now.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
Do you think it would be more fair if the group had a player comparable to HyuN's skill level instead (say Revival) and Velego had beaten him?
Difficult question. From a totally neutral perspective it changes nothing about the fairness, but I guess, the advancement would still have been more deseved, as it was under more comparable circumstances. I'd probably still be a bit bitter about it on the inside, but I definitly wouldn't have ranted about the system, as I did.
It could be worse, he could've lost due to a coinflip!
Depends. Bischu got a seed for DH Winter by losing a coin flip.
? When another player doesn't show up for his match, offering the other player the choice to wait (or not) is the best thing they can do. If they didn't do that, the admins would've registered an loss for Stephano automatically. You realize this, yes?
? When another player doesn't show up for his match, offering the other player the choice to wait (or not) is the best thing they can do. If they didn't do that, the admins would've registered an loss for Stephano automatically. You realize this, yes?
No, not neccessarily. The admins are responsible for how the tournament is run, they have to decide, if and in case they do, how long they wait. The players shouldn't be responsible for choosing between what is best for them and what is best for the viewer, they have nothing to win and everything to lose with that decision.
Would appreciate if people would link the stream Leenock plays on later. My internet connection is pretty slow so don't want to load up streams constantly checking.
On July 19 2014 01:18 Rocket-Bear wrote: Would appreciate if people would link the stream Leenock plays on later. My internet connection is pretty slow so don't want to load up streams constantly checking.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
How happy are you with Destiny?
I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
Yea, he said RR should be the norm in all tournaments.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
How happy are you with Destiny?
I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
Yea, he said RR should be the norm in all tournaments.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
How happy are you with Destiny?
I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
Yea, he said RR should be the norm in all tournaments.
insulting your opponent should be mandatory too.
If players asked, I'd write shit talking for them.
? When another player doesn't show up for his match, offering the other player the choice to wait (or not) is the best thing they can do. If they didn't do that, the admins would've registered an loss for Stephano automatically. You realize this, yes?
No, not neccessarily. The admins are responsible for how the tournament is run, they have to decide, if and in case they do, how long they wait. The players shouldn't be responsible for choosing between what is best for them and what is best for the viewer, they have nothing to win and everything to lose with that decision.
Rules are rules. I'm sure the admins waited the predetermined amount of time (which I'm fairly certain has been decided beforehand) before asking Nerchio if he wanted to wait or take the win. What you're implying is that they should show favoritism to Steph by allowing him to show up late because he's more popular. If someone had taken a walkover win off of Velego and Zerghamdi, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation. And in that case would you be willing to explain to them why they are subject to the rules while others are not? Or should we just discard all the rules?
Steph knew he was playing Nerchio and didn't show up. Anybody whose ever so much as chatted to Nerch on ladder can tell you he would've take the walkover, and why shouldn't he? Steph's fault, no one else to blame.
On July 19 2014 00:28 JanDe wrote: Well, Velego and Zerghamdi did a great job advancig, it was not system fault but players. I am sure 90% people on TL wouldbt be close to take game away from Harstem and Uthermal and those guys did beat them. Somehw I fell like you are taking away all praise from them,
Zerghamdis win has nothing to do with the system at all, as he didn't lose to uThermal ealier and uThermal only defeated Borrex, who also lost to Zerghammdi. If the group would have had been played out in RR, the result would have been exactly the same, only with having a match of Starudst and Borrex in addition, so I don't blame anything happening there on the system.
Ofc. taking 2 maps of Harstem is a huge acccomplishment for Velego and I respect him for that, but I would just rather see the guy with 3 maps against the other advance than the guy with 2 maps (As their opponetns are not really comparable.)
How happy are you with Destiny?
I'm sorry to not be informed, but what has Destiny to do with this? Is he using RR in his tourney?
Yea, he said RR should be the norm in all tournaments.
Hmm, if he said that, I guess I agree with him on that particular point. I am not a fan of his usual behaviour, though, if your original question goes into that direction.
? When another player doesn't show up for his match, offering the other player the choice to wait (or not) is the best thing they can do. If they didn't do that, the admins would've registered an loss for Stephano automatically. You realize this, yes?
No, not neccessarily. The admins are responsible for how the tournament is run, they have to decide, if and in case they do, how long they wait. The players shouldn't be responsible for choosing between what is best for them and what is best for the viewer, they have nothing to win and everything to lose with that decision.
Rules are rules. I'm sure the admins waited the predetermined amount of time (which I'm fairly certain has been decided beforehand) before asking Nerchio if he wanted to wait or take the win. What you're implying is that they should show favoritism to Steph by allowing him to show up late because he's more popular. If someone had taken a walkover win off of Velego and Zerghamdi, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation. And in that case would you be willing to explain to them why they are subject to the rules while others are not? Or should we just discard all the rules?
Steph knew he was playing Nerchio and didn't show up. Anybody whose ever so much as chatted to Nerch on ladder can tell you he would've take the walkover, and why shouldn't he? Steph's fault, no one else to blame.
I don't see, how I am implying anything of this. The admins should enforce the rules in way, that makes sence. If a player is not there in the amout of time, which is set in the rules, disqualify him is their job, not the other players. They can, however, don't do that, if they have a good reason for that (For example, if they see the player 20 meters away from his PC sprinting towards it). Anyway, ofc they have to treat all players equally, but noone would ever disagree with that and I don't see how you are implying anything else in my original answer.
My point however was: If you disqualify a player directly, you do your job. If you ask the other player first, you make him responsable for the disqualification, which brings him animosity from the community and gives you a way to not have to do your job.
On July 19 2014 01:27 geokilla wrote: Are there no games being played right now?
No, they are staying by their predetermined schedule and do the 3rd group stage at 19:00 CEST (in about 25 minutes).
On July 19 2014 01:18 Rocket-Bear wrote: Would appreciate if people would link the stream Leenock plays on later. My internet connection is pretty slow so don't want to load up streams constantly checking.
On July 19 2014 01:18 Rocket-Bear wrote: Would appreciate if people would link the stream Leenock plays on later. My internet connection is pretty slow so don't want to load up streams constantly checking.
Why does it say Balloon vs San when neither of them are there though?
It is an automated program, which doesn't recognize the tournament, the games are played in, so it shows filler content as well. As soon as everyone streams DH again, it should work just fine.
? When another player doesn't show up for his match, offering the other player the choice to wait (or not) is the best thing they can do. If they didn't do that, the admins would've registered an loss for Stephano automatically. You realize this, yes?
No, not neccessarily. The admins are responsible for how the tournament is run, they have to decide, if and in case they do, how long they wait. The players shouldn't be responsible for choosing between what is best for them and what is best for the viewer, they have nothing to win and everything to lose with that decision.
Rules are rules. I'm sure the admins waited the predetermined amount of time (which I'm fairly certain has been decided beforehand) before asking Nerchio if he wanted to wait or take the win. What you're implying is that they should show favoritism to Steph by allowing him to show up late because he's more popular. If someone had taken a walkover win off of Velego and Zerghamdi, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation. And in that case would you be willing to explain to them why they are subject to the rules while others are not? Or should we just discard all the rules?
Steph knew he was playing Nerchio and didn't show up. Anybody whose ever so much as chatted to Nerch on ladder can tell you he would've take the walkover, and why shouldn't he? Steph's fault, no one else to blame.
I don't see, how I am implying anything of this. The admins should enforce the rules in way, that makes sence. If a player is not there in the amout of time, which is set in the rules, disqualify him is their job, not the other players. They can, however, don't do that, if they have a good reason for that (For example, if they see the player 20 meters away from his PC sprinting towards it). Anyway, ofc they have to treat all players equally, but noone would ever disagree with that and I don't see how you are implying anything else in my original answer.
My point however was: If you disqualify a player directly, you do your job. If you ask the other player first, you make him responsible for the disqualification, which brings him animosity from the community and gives you a way to not have to do your job.
I definitely misunderstood what you were trying to say the first time.
I don't see how giving the player discretion over the decision is a bad thing. If the player is willing to wait that is, in my opinion, better than a walkover. The crowd is happy because of games and the opposing player is happy because they don't auto-lose. If the player wants, they can take a walkover. The only reason anybody is showing animosity here is because the player who didn't show up acted like a complete ass by going and attacking his opponent on twitter. Imo, unless you aren't to bright, Steph clearly in the wrong here for not showing up to the match and expecting his opponent to wait for him. He would've lost if it wasn't up to player discretion, and he still would've found a way to complain.
Drama happens no matter what, ESPECIALLY with Stephano.
On July 19 2014 01:47 Yorkie wrote: Just looked at the results for the day so far. Why did Nerchio get a free win over Stephano?
DreamHack Valencia - StarDust is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 73.16 % of the time StarDust wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 26.84 % of the time StarDust loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MarineLord is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 49.76 % of the time MarineLord wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 50.24 % of the time MarineLord loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TargA is at ~ 0.07 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 46.1 % of the time TargA wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.13 %. ~ 53.9 % of the time TargA loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Majestic is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 30.98 % of the time Majestic wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 69.02 % of the time Majestic loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
DreamHack Valencia - ForGG is at ~ 19.32 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 64.51 % of the time ForGG wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 22.51 %. ~ 35.49 % of the time ForGG loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 13.53 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Leenock is at ~ 1.36 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 56.66 % of the time Leenock wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.71 %. ~ 43.34 % of the time Leenock loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.89 %. ------------------------------------------------- - YoDa is at ~ 0.65 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 40.94 % of the time YoDa wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.05 %. ~ 59.06 % of the time YoDa loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.38 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Grubby is at ~ 0.72 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 37.89 % of the time Grubby wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.05 %. ~ 62.11 % of the time Grubby loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.53 %.
DreamHack Valencia - Golden is at ~ 2.77 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 63.03 % of the time Golden wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 3.15 %. ~ 36.97 % of the time Golden loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 2.13 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HuK is at ~ 0.95 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 55.89 % of the time HuK wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.1 %. ~ 44.11 % of the time HuK loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.77 %. ------------------------------------------------- - elfi is at ~ 0.01 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 55.47 % of the time elfi wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.01 %. ~ 44.53 % of the time elfi loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Revolver is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 25.61 % of the time Revolver wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 74.39 % of the time Revolver loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
DreamHack Valencia - HyuN is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 73.6 % of the time HyuN wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 26.4 % of the time HyuN loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Nerchio is at ~ 0.74 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 44.9 % of the time Nerchio wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.14 %. ~ 55.1 % of the time Nerchio loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.42 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Serral is at ~ 0.04 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 44.07 % of the time Serral wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.07 %. ~ 55.93 % of the time Serral loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Tefel is at ~ 0.03 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 37.43 % of the time Tefel wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.05 %. ~ 62.57 % of the time Tefel loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %.
DreamHack Valencia - VortiX is at ~ 6.91 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 76.7 % of the time VortiX wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 7.31 %. ~ 23.3 % of the time VortiX loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 5.6 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Patience is at ~ 5.69 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 65.93 % of the time Patience wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 6.24 %. ~ 34.07 % of the time Patience loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 4.63 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Stephano is at ~ 0.13 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 52.31 % of the time Stephano wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.21 %. ~ 47.69 % of the time Stephano loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.05 %. ------------------------------------------------- - velego is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 5.06 % of the time velego wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 94.94 % of the time velego loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
DreamHack Valencia - MC is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 68.71 % of the time MC wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 31.29 % of the time MC loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Dayshi is at ~ 0.78 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 50.62 % of the time Dayshi wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.92 %. ~ 49.38 % of the time Dayshi loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.65 %. ------------------------------------------------- - PiG is at ~ 0.03 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 43.07 % of the time PiG wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.04 %. ~ 56.93 % of the time PiG loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Starbuck is at ~ 0.01 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 37.61 % of the time Starbuck wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.01 %. ~ 62.39 % of the time Starbuck loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
DreamHack Valencia - Sacsri is at ~ 0.08 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 66.6 % of the time Sacsri wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.1 %. ~ 33.4 % of the time Sacsri loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MaNa is at ~ 1.38 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 64.7 % of the time MaNa wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 1.58 %. ~ 35.3 % of the time MaNa loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 1.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Ret is at ~ 0.01 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 52.51 % of the time Ret wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.01 %. ~ 47.49 % of the time Ret loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %. ------------------------------------------------- - aGaham is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 16.19 % of the time aGaham wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 83.81 % of the time aGaham loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
DreamHack Valencia - Bomber is at ~ 99.99 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 69.3 % of the time Bomber wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 99.99 %. ~ 30.7 % of the time Bomber loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 99.98 %. ------------------------------------------------- - First is at ~ 5.24 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 66.51 % of the time First wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 6.05 %. ~ 33.49 % of the time First loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 3.61 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bunny is at ~ 2.94 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 54.96 % of the time Bunny wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 3.46 %. ~ 45.04 % of the time Bunny loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 2.31 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Zerghamdi is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 9.23 % of the time Zerghamdi wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 90.77 % of the time Zerghamdi loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
On July 19 2014 02:25 Yorkie wrote: You guys can try to blame Stephano's loss on balance if you want, but this is all on Stephano
Yeah I don't think anyone's blaming Stephano's loss on balance. That series looked like something from group stage 1 where a master league player is trying to stay alive for 15 minutes vs a pro just to say they did.
On July 19 2014 01:44 Foreverkul wrote: Bomber seems probably the most likely to win the tourney though, except for Protoss.
I'm not sure I've ever seen you post in a LR without it being a balance whine.
My post doesn't have anything to do about balance. Its a fact that Protoss have been winning most tournaments recently, why not this one? Its simple statistics and probability, you just prefer to have everything about balance whine despite Blizzards official acknowledgement. Blizzard is also whining?
On July 19 2014 02:25 Yorkie wrote: You guys can try to blame Stephano's loss on balance if you want, but this is all on Stephano
The map can still be really bad for Z in ZvP
can confirm.
Source: Zerg
On July 19 2014 02:27 Exarl25 wrote: Do the people in twitch chat actually believe the things they are saying? I don't understand how people can be so stupid.
On July 19 2014 02:25 Yorkie wrote: You guys can try to blame Stephano's loss on balance if you want, but this is all on Stephano
He would surely have lost anyway but there are some glaringly obvious flaws in maps (this season's maps are very badly thought. See catallena (small ramps everywhere), Foxtrot (against chokes everywhere, as if P needed favourable maps), Deadwing (completely imbalanced close positions. Z either takes a horrible third with rocks between it and natural, even worse than ohana, or basicly expands 1 meter away from P/T's third), Nimbus (free unattackable natural for P. Z have it anyway but on this map P gets it as if they needed it)). They just fucked it up very badly. They need to think about the impact maps have on the game instead of just picking it based on random drawing of Cephalopods, flashy lights etc.
I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
On July 19 2014 01:44 Foreverkul wrote: Bomber seems probably the most likely to win the tourney though, except for Protoss.
I'm not sure I've ever seen you post in a LR without it being a balance whine.
My post doesn't have anything to do about balance. Its a fact that Protoss have been winning most tournaments recently, why not this one? Its simple statistics and probability, you just prefer to have everything about balance whine despite Blizzards official acknowledgement. Blizzard is also whining?
You are pretty delusional. You realize you can acknowledge protoss being strong at the moment without constantly talking about them in every post in every situation?
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
He phrased it very very very badly but I think he meant it well.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
He phrased it very very very badly but I think he meant it well.
The only negative part of that post was "fat" the rest was a complement.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
In his strange, insulting, way, I THINK he was trying to compliment you. If he wasn't I will. You're killing it today man, listening to the four of you banter back and forth and discuss the games is just as enjoyable as the games themselves. Nice work!
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
I'm always getting a good laugh out of your comments and I've always been a fan of your cast. I even listened to some episodes of your talkshow.
On July 19 2014 01:44 Foreverkul wrote: Bomber seems probably the most likely to win the tourney though, except for Protoss.
I'm not sure I've ever seen you post in a LR without it being a balance whine.
My post doesn't have anything to do about balance. Its a fact that Protoss have been winning most tournaments recently, why not this one? Its simple statistics and probability, you just prefer to have everything about balance whine despite Blizzards official acknowledgement. Blizzard is also whining?
You are pretty delusional. You realize you can acknowledge protoss being strong at the moment without constantly talking about them in every post in every situation?
Side note: TL and reddit have been pretending Zerg is weak a lot lately. Lots of complaining about the mine buff's impact on TvZ and stuff like "Bomber or Protoss will win" ignoring the very real chances of Leenock, Hyun, and Sacsri.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
He phrased it very very very badly but I think he meant it well.
The only negative part of that post was "fat" the rest was a complement.
In my defense the only negative part of my post was "fuck" the rest was normal
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
maybe try not to call people fat while giving them a compliment. you must be great with girls.
On July 19 2014 02:45 Wintex wrote: ez game for bomber?
He had a tougher time than he should have due to some questionable early mistakes in both games vs Bunny, but he got back into the games with superior decision making and positioning. He should be fine to get out of the group
On July 19 2014 02:45 Wintex wrote: ez game for bomber?
He had a tougher time than he should have due to some questionable early mistakes in both games vs Bunny, but he got back into the games with superior decision making and positioning. He should be fine to get out of the group
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
Ohh, the drama
However, regarding the casting I would wish some more seriousness and some less silliness but that is just my personal opinion. Guess it depends on how Dreamhack want eSport to be communicated, as fun or as dead serious.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
maybe try not to call people fat while giving them a compliment. you must be great with girls.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
Ohh, the drama
However, regarding the casting I would wish some more seriousness and some less silliness but that is just my personal opinion. Guess it depends on how Dreamhack want eSport to be communicated, as fun or as dead serious.
I think the casting itself is plenty serious, and the analyst desk incorporates a good amounts of serious discussion and cheerful banter. To each his own I guess
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
He phrased it very very very badly but I think he meant it well.
The only negative part of that post was "fat" the rest was a complement.
In my defense the only negative part of my post was "fuck" the rest was normal
Come on, it adds to the comedy. Like with Butterbumps, the fool of the Tyrell's.
We on TL know that you're just buff and not obese.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
Ohh, the drama
However, regarding the casting I would wish some more seriousness and some less silliness but that is just my personal opinion. Guess it depends on how Dreamhack want eSport to be communicated, as fun or as dead serious.
I think the casting itself is plenty serious, and the analyst desk incorporates a good amounts of serious discussion and cheerful banter. To each his own I guess
Guess I wanted to include the studio talk into the casting part. My bad.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
Ohh, the drama
However, regarding the casting I would wish some more seriousness and some less silliness but that is just my personal opinion. Guess it depends on how Dreamhack want eSport to be communicated, as fun or as dead serious.
I think the casting itself is plenty serious, and the analyst desk incorporates a good amounts of serious discussion and cheerful banter. To each his own I guess
Guess I wanted to include the studio talk into the casting part. My bad.
nah not your bad. if you prefer it one way then that's totally fine. I think WCS tends to be more "serious" overall
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Ok, pick one of them then! 1 month sigbet (nothing too extreme) if ones player wins? Or should we just say that they have to make it to the finals? You decide.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
On July 19 2014 02:38 SixStrings wrote: I love iNcontrol at Dreamhacks, he's at his best when they let him off his leash and he can just be the fat court jester. One can really feel all the jokes one is missing when he is casting something more 'professional'.
Fuck off
Pardon me, I meant it as genuine praise.
Ohh, the drama
However, regarding the casting I would wish some more seriousness and some less silliness but that is just my personal opinion. Guess it depends on how Dreamhack want eSport to be communicated, as fun or as dead serious.
I think the casting itself is plenty serious, and the analyst desk incorporates a good amounts of serious discussion and cheerful banter. To each his own I guess
Guess I wanted to include the studio talk into the casting part. My bad.
nah not your bad. if you prefer it one way then that's totally fine. I think WCS tends to be more "serious" overall
Also I'd like to say it is nice with the less "serious" Dreamhack tournaments where the casters and hosts fools around quite a bit and more serious ones where bad jokes and shit talk is not such a huge part of the show. A bit of both is probably nice, even though I think Dreamhack takes a bit to far
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Ok, pick one of them then! 1 month sigbet nothing too extreme if ones player wins? Or should we just say that they have to make it to the finals? You decide.
Sigbet, one player in the final. Your pick is Leenock, Im staying with Stardust. Fair enough?
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Ok, pick one of them then! 1 month sigbet nothing too extreme if ones player wins? Or should we just say that they have to make it to the finals? You decide.
Sigbet, one player in the final. Your pick is Leenock, Im staying with Stardust. Fair enough?
Dealio!
This means that if we get a Leenock vs Stardust finals, both wins!
On July 19 2014 02:58 Musicus wrote: On the new maps, 2 nice all-ins might get Grubby first place in this group. He beat Hyun recently, so his PvZ is good I think.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Grubby vs Bomber finals.
If Grubby makes it to the finals I will uninstall SC2 and play Pokemon Gold over and over again for a year.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Grubby vs Bomber finals.
If Grubby makes it to the finals I will uninstall SC2 and play Pokemon Gold over and over again for a year.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Grubby vs Bomber finals.
If Grubby makes it to the finals I will uninstall SC2 and play Pokemon Gold over and over again for a year.
That's not exactly high stakes, is it?
If Grubby makes it to the finals I will finish my soda and have another one.
On July 19 2014 03:04 dark1882 wrote: as a matter of interest is it possible to be a grubby anti-fan? I don't think i've ever encountered one, atleast not since wcs eu season 2 2013
Noone can hate Grubby. Hes just such an awesome guy :D
On July 19 2014 03:04 dark1882 wrote: as a matter of interest is it possible to be a grubby anti-fan? I don't think i've ever encountered one, atleast not since wcs eu season 2 2013
Noone can hate Grubby. Hes just such an awesome guy :D
On July 19 2014 03:04 dark1882 wrote: as a matter of interest is it possible to be a grubby anti-fan? I don't think i've ever encountered one, atleast not since wcs eu season 2 2013
Noone can hate Grubby. Hes just such an awesome guy :D
The old boy's club is always rather snide when they talk about him.
Like they don't want him to get any attention at all. When Grubby first became a thing in SC2, basically anyone but Tasteless refused to even acknowledge his existence.
On July 19 2014 02:47 DJHelium wrote: Ok I'm predicting Leenock to win this tournament. He has this tendency to pop out of nowhere and win a tournament!
Taking bets?
My last Leenock bet was him defeating Innovation in GSTL. It didn't go well. So sure!
Who is your pick then?
Random pick of Hyun, Bomber, Stardust and MC. As long as they dont knock each other out, I think we will see 3/4 of them in the semis.
Grubby vs Bomber finals.
If Grubby makes it to the finals I will uninstall SC2 and play Pokemon Gold over and over again for a year.
On July 19 2014 02:58 Musicus wrote: On the new maps, 2 nice all-ins might get Grubby first place in this group. He beat Hyun recently, so his PvZ is good I think.
On July 19 2014 03:48 Topin wrote: what did patience do? was watching other game
Same thing as he always does, nexus into gateway. Scouted the lings when they came out of Vortix' base, built cyber core on low ground at nexus and didn't wall off...
First got so lucky there. bomber made some stupid decisions in the scv pull, then got himself surrounded to let First back into the game. We're just not gonna talk about that last fight
On July 19 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote: It cheers me to see Vortix beat Patience after Patience beat Stephano and Stephano called out Vortix as a patch zerg.
I agree, schadenfreude is such a wonderful feeling (I can't believe there actually a word for "the pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others". German is such a poetic language)
On July 19 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote: It cheers me to see Vortix beat Patience after Patience beat Stephano and Stephano called out Vortix as a patch zerg.
I agree, schadenfreude is such a wonderful feeling (I can't believe there actually a word for "the pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others". German is such a poetic language)
Finnish has this too: vahingonilo. Swedish too: skadeglädje. For me it's kind of weird some languages don't have this as it's very universal feeling. :p
I'm not sure why Patience just doesn't play some standard game and steamroll him instead of going for a cannon rush and risking going out against Stephano lol
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
I don't get Patience's thoughts right now. he keeps having his fourth destroyed, but instead of making a defensive building/cannon wall to defend it he keeps just haphazardly throwing pylons and cannons around the nexus. It's happened like 4 times now
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
In both groups there was a TvT?!?! You might be on to something here. Seriously this post is so meaningless.
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
Really? Bomber, ForGG, Yoda? Even Dayshi and Bunny?
Compared to who for Protoss - MC, Stardust and First?
On July 19 2014 04:46 Yorkie wrote: I don't get Patience's thoughts right now. he keeps having his fourth destroyed, but instead of making a defensive building/cannon wall to defend it he keeps just haphazardly throwing pylons and cannons around the nexus. It's happened like 4 times now
Patience is playing really weird overall. I mean he can't be happy about almost going out before ro16 to a retired foreigner.
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
Not really. Check it out again.
It is closer than I initially thought, but I think the representation of Protoss and Zerg is slightly better than that of Terran.
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
Not really. Check it out again.
It is closer than I initially thought, but I think the representation of Protoss and Zerg is slightly better than that of Terran.
It is not. Bomber could perfectly take it all easilly if it wasn't for "his" TvP. The first comment was silly tho, most good terrans got paired with a good player from other race, and an average terran, that's why half of those terrans got kicked out.
On July 19 2014 04:43 Foreverkul wrote: Two groups had 2 Terrans, and in both those groups a TvT was played to eliminate one of them? Very interesting don't you think?
The terran representation at this tournament (compared to the other races) is quite subpar.
Not really. Check it out again.
It is closer than I initially thought, but I think the representation of Protoss and Zerg is slightly better than that of Terran.
I assumed you meant volume of races, that would make Terran poorly represented by default. If you go by top tier players then it was relatively equal before Group Stage 3 (only 1 of 6 set to pass as of this post).
On July 19 2014 04:56 Faust852 wrote: Stephano throwing hard
Nope because Patience doesn't want to win apparently. Killed the entire infrastructure, goes home and waits until opponent builds it all up again before moving out hurr duurrrr
On July 19 2014 04:56 Faust852 wrote: Stephano throwing hard
Nope because Patience doesn't want to win apparently. Killed the entire infrastructure, goes home and waits until opponent builds it all up again before moving out hurr duurrrr
This is seriously Stephano and Patience throwing the game back and forth like a hot potato. Neither of them really seem to have a grasp on how to win it.
On July 19 2014 04:56 Faust852 wrote: Stephano throwing hard
Nope because Patience doesn't want to win apparently. Killed the entire infrastructure, goes home and waits until opponent builds it all up again before moving out hurr duurrrr
his nick is Patience after all
I'm not even sure why he's playing like this. Is he trolling, is he drunk, has he been awake for 48 hours and don't know what he's doing? He's seriously about to drop out of the tournament vs someone who just goes to a tournament now and then for fun when he has some free time from his studies lol.
Like even those archons, what are they doing there!? You have nothing to macro, wtf and now losing collosus to locusts. If I didn't know this was Patience playing I would think it was some random GM foreigner. Crap that was a sad game.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
Sadly that has become pretty standard for Twitch streamers now. Apparently it works. Some even go as far as faking donations in order to encourage real ones. Can't watch a stream anymore without donations plastered everywhere and subscriber alerts going off every 5 minutes.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
Sadly that has become pretty standard for Twitch streamers now. Apparently it works. Some even go as far as faking donations in order to encourage real ones. Can't watch a stream anymore without donations plastered everywhere and subscriber alerts going off every 5 minutes.
I don't know where it started, but I saw it a lot in hearthstone streams a lot. Then all of a sudden after years of not seeing donations on sc2 streams they were everywhere. I mean I'm glad people want to support starcraft streams but I feel like it's mostly personalities and meh players that get most of the donations
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
Sadly that has become pretty standard for Twitch streamers now. Apparently it works. Some even go as far as faking donations in order to encourage real ones. Can't watch a stream anymore without donations plastered everywhere and subscriber alerts going off every 5 minutes.
When diablo 3 expansion got released, i checked it through a stream. The guy was basically saying "i will suck your dick" every minute or so about donations or subs.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
Sadly that has become pretty standard for Twitch streamers now. Apparently it works. Some even go as far as faking donations in order to encourage real ones. Can't watch a stream anymore without donations plastered everywhere and subscriber alerts going off every 5 minutes.
Yeah but this guy has 3/4 of is overlay about donation, race domation, top donator, 4k$ goal (wtf), 400 sub goal (wtf²). This guy is making more than 7k$ a month for mediocre content because he is begging so much. I find it pitiful, really. In the meantime you see players like Mvp not even reaching 200 viewers.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
Dat monthly goal of $4000 - thats $48K/year pace.
Seriously if he is making that much per month off donations holy shit
Its very unlikely. If he does get donations its probably only when he casts major events like this.
It's the first or the second time he does that. He always had 2+k viewers constant while he is not that good (like mid master) and usually smurf again bronze players.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
It hurts pro players that are in need of money too. They play at a much higher level. The sole problem is that they are lesss enternaining.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
It hurts pro players that are in need of money too. They play at a much higher level. The sole problem is that they are lesss enternaining.
That's like piracy, you are taking for granted that people would watch the pro player if you removed for example Winter. That's just delusional thinking, most people wouldn't watch the progamer anyways..
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
It hurts pro players that are in need of money too. They play at a much higher level. The sole problem is that they are lesss enternaining.
Every sport on Earth has to be entertaining to an audience above all else in order to succeed financially, and Starcraft is no exception.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
It hurts pro players that are in need of money too. They play at a much higher level. The sole problem is that they are lesss enternaining.
There's a reason caster don't show the player views often because unless you are a high level player you have no idea whats going on.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
It hurts pro players that are in need of money too. They play at a much higher level. The sole problem is that they are lesss enternaining.
Could we guarantee that people, who watch for entertainment wouldn't just wander off to another game though? Idk if someone who watches for example Winter over Mvp would turn into Mvp if Winter wouldn't exist, or rather search for a personality similar to Winter in LoL, Hearthstone or elsewhere.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
Yeah but what's Winters "thing"? He didn't seem to play at a particular high level, do funny strat or say funny things and as said the stream is spammed by donation shit.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
Yeah but what's Winters "thing"? He didn't seem to play at a particular high level, do funny strat or say funny things and as said the stream is spammed by donation shit.
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
Yeah but what's Winters "thing"? He didn't seem to play at a particular high level, do funny strat or say funny things and as said the stream is spammed by donation shit.
Apparently people love to watch master play against gold
On July 19 2014 05:12 Faust852 wrote: i'm looking at the Winter guy overloay. Omg this guy is begging money so much that's sad.
I went to his stream once because he had a lot of viewers but I never understood why. I feel like I'm missing something.
There was always someone who has a lot of viewers without a real explanation. Currently it seems to be Winter, in a few months, it might be someone else, we'll see I guess. There's nothing wrong with it I guess, if a lot of people enjoy their Spanishiwas,Destinys, avilos or Winters, that's good for them and it doesn't hurt anyone else either.
Yeah but what's Winters "thing"? He didn't seem to play at a particular high level, do funny strat or say funny things and as said the stream is spammed by donation shit.
He smurfs against low league players and talks through what he is doing as he is demolishing him. I think it's kind of scummy but it's actually probably the most educational stream out there now for <Masters.
I just wanna share the excitement of someone who is actually in DH Valencia. It's my second Starcraft2 offline tourney and I just wanna say this is super exciting! Can't wait for SC2 to step up to the main stage! In the Vortix game against Patience there were no free seats (and the games with Majestic were great too). Very nice setup here in Valencia! Lovely place and it's very cool to see those casters and players one follows so often. Nice!
On July 19 2014 05:43 noobPride wrote: I just wanna share the excitement of someone who is actually in DH Valencia. It's my second Starcraft2 offline tourney and I just wanna say this is super exciting! Can't wait for SC2 to step up to the main stage! In the Vortix game against Patience there were no free seats (and the games with Majestic were great too). Very nice setup here in Valencia! Lovely place and it's very cool to see those casters and players one follows so often. Nice!
Lucky you ! Hope you are having fun for those who can't go there.
On July 19 2014 05:43 noobPride wrote: I just wanna share the excitement of someone who is actually in DH Valencia. It's my second Starcraft2 offline tourney and I just wanna say this is super exciting! Can't wait for SC2 to step up to the main stage! In the Vortix game against Patience there were no free seats (and the games with Majestic were great too). Very nice setup here in Valencia! Lovely place and it's very cool to see those casters and players one follows so often. Nice!
On July 19 2014 05:42 Yhamm wrote: 1 foreigner guaranteed in Ro8!
There is this funny scenario where despite having nearly double the foreigners with objectively weaker Koreans, DH can only get 1 foreigner in the ro8 while in IEM with half the foreigners and ro16 GSL/Kespa/Taeja players wandering everywhere, they have 2 foreigners in the ro8.
On July 19 2014 05:42 Yhamm wrote: 1 foreigner guaranteed in Ro8!
There is this funny scenario where despite having nearly double the foreigners with objectively weaker Koreans, DH can only get 1 foreigner in the ro8 while in IEM with half the foreigners and ro16 GSL/Kespa/Taeja players wandering everywhere, they have 2 foreigners in the ro8.
Hey, that's assuming that none of the foreigners beat the Korean players in the Ro16. It's still entirely possible we get 2-3 foreigners in the Ro8.
On July 19 2014 05:42 Yhamm wrote: 1 foreigner guaranteed in Ro8!
There is this funny scenario where despite having nearly double the foreigners with objectively weaker Koreans, DH can only get 1 foreigner in the ro8 while in IEM with half the foreigners and ro16 GSL/Kespa/Taeja players wandering everywhere, they have 2 foreigners in the ro8.
Hey, that's assuming that none of the foreigners beat the Korean players in the Ro16. It's still entirely possible we get 2-3 foreigners in the Ro8.
Yea its just a funny scenario, not likely. If I had to bet, I'd bet on 4 foreigners in the ro8.
On July 19 2014 05:42 Yhamm wrote: 1 foreigner guaranteed in Ro8!
There is this funny scenario where despite having nearly double the foreigners with objectively weaker Koreans, DH can only get 1 foreigner in the ro8 while in IEM with half the foreigners and ro16 GSL/Kespa/Taeja players wandering everywhere, they have 2 foreigners in the ro8.
Hey, that's assuming that none of the foreigners beat the Korean players in the Ro16. It's still entirely possible we get 2-3 foreigners in the Ro8.
Yea its just a funny scenario, not likely. If I had to bet, I'd bet on 4 foreigners in the ro8.
On July 19 2014 05:42 Yhamm wrote: 1 foreigner guaranteed in Ro8!
There is this funny scenario where despite having nearly double the foreigners with objectively weaker Koreans, DH can only get 1 foreigner in the ro8 while in IEM with half the foreigners and ro16 GSL/Kespa/Taeja players wandering everywhere, they have 2 foreigners in the ro8.
Hey, that's assuming that none of the foreigners beat the Korean players in the Ro16. It's still entirely possible we get 2-3 foreigners in the Ro8.
Yea its just a funny scenario, not likely. If I had to bet, I'd bet on 4 foreigners in the ro8.
1 or 2 for me. VortiX/MaNa and maybe Nerchio.
I was just thinking the same. Nerchio and MaNa probably the only 2 foreigners in ro8, if even that.
Glad YODA and Bomber are on opposite sides of the bracket but both against probably the best Protoss at this event. If they manage to make it out of Ro16 they have a chance!
sorry, i am late to the party, but what happened with stephano vs. nerchio? why free win for nerchio? oh and how was targa vs. bomber? awesome games or meh games?
On July 19 2014 07:47 Beta2k wrote: sorry, i am late to the party, but what happened with stephano vs. nerchio? why free win for nerchio? oh and how was targa vs. bomber? awesome games or meh games?
Stephano was out eating or something when his match was sheduled so Nerchio got WO.
Didn't watch the series but somewhere in this LR someone said that atleast one game was pretty derp with targa getting some early lings in when bomber was lifting his barracks/factory.
On July 19 2014 07:47 Beta2k wrote: sorry, i am late to the party, but what happened with stephano vs. nerchio? why free win for nerchio? oh and how was targa vs. bomber? awesome games or meh games?
Stephano was out eating or something when his match was sheduled so Nerchio got WO.
Didn't watch the series but somewhere in this LR someone said that atleast one game was pretty derp with targa getting some early lings in when bomber was lifting his barracks/factory.
thx
omg that's so stephano....
edit: i just remember, didnt have stephano and nerchio some beef? so he may have done this intentionally...
EPT
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) that tells us which streams show what game?
Velego 2-1 
but still its funny 
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