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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 22 2014 13:57 GMT
#41
How is what scarlett's done before any different than this when the lineups for the last few international events have been meh? Come on now.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 22 2014 13:58 GMT
#42
On June 22 2014 22:39 xtorn wrote:
And State is slowly but surely getting there, he has improved so much and so quick in the last months and it's a matter of time until consistent results will show.

Don't see how losing to Sarovati 0-2 is "much of an improvement."

For someone who has lived in Korea for half a year he sure didn't do accomplish much this MLG.
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kottbullar
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia490 Posts
June 22 2014 14:06 GMT
#43
Is it really too much to expect casters to somewhat play the game at least semi-regularly ? =(
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 14:13:46
June 22 2014 14:12 GMT
#44
On June 22 2014 23:06 kottbullar wrote:
Is it really too much to expect casters to somewhat play the game at least semi-regularly ? =(


Out of the 6 casters, 4 are GM or even pro level and play more than most. Day9 might not play as much anymore since he is working on his own game, but due to doing daylies he is still up to date on the meta. Nobody knows what Axeltoss is really doing, but not every caster has to do analysis. I think the casters are really fucking great at this MLG to be honest .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 22 2014 14:16 GMT
#45
On June 22 2014 22:57 StarStruck wrote:
How is what scarlett's done before any different than this when the lineups for the last few international events have been meh? Come on now.

Could you perhaps translate this into something slightly less confusing?
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kottbullar
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia490 Posts
June 22 2014 14:17 GMT
#46
I'll admit that I'm mainly referring to Day and Axel. The difference in casting standard between say Polt vs Stardust and Hyun vs Bomber last night was appalling. Sure, not everyone needs to be an analytical caster. Pair them up appropriately then, one analytical and one play by play is a tried and true combination, not sure why some events (not all mind you) keep randomly pairing casters.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
June 22 2014 14:20 GMT
#47
Poll: What are HuK's chances to win the tournament?

100% (12)
 
32%

75% (1)
 
3%

50% (1)
 
3%

25% (4)
 
11%

0% (20)
 
53%

38 total votes

Your vote: What are HuK's chances to win the tournament?

(Vote): 100%
(Vote): 75%
(Vote): 50%
(Vote): 25%
(Vote): 0%

Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
June 22 2014 14:22 GMT
#48
On June 22 2014 23:17 kottbullar wrote:
I'll admit that I'm mainly referring to Day and Axel. The difference in casting standard between say Polt vs Stardust and Hyun vs Bomber last night was appalling. Sure, not everyone needs to be an analytical caster. Pair them up appropriately then, one analytical and one play by play is a tried and true combination, not sure why some events (not all mind you) keep randomly pairing casters.


2 streams, and some of the casters were also players
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
June 22 2014 14:24 GMT
#49
On June 22 2014 22:27 b0rt_ wrote:
Vods anywhere? No I didn't think so. I'll go back to forgetting this garbage is on.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 20:53 yido wrote:

LOVE that MLG is back with sc2 and hope they keep making these.
I will continue to watch and support the event online but I hope they step up their production.


I don't see why. An mlg tourney vs Dreamhack is like a scooter vs a ferrari. It's great they're injecting money etc but why bother if the end product is trash and thought up by a moron. Do we have to force fake smiles that mlg is back whilst they serve us this?

thanks for your valuable contribution. I get that you like dreamhack more, but that doesn't make this trash or garbage. You can just leave and you won't be missed here.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 14:32:34
June 22 2014 14:32 GMT
#50
On June 22 2014 21:37 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 21:00 Waise wrote:
On June 22 2014 17:31 phil.ipp wrote:
so only koreans in the top 8, given that scarlett and huk dont win against life and hyun

seems all the MLG effort to seed foreigners doesnt really make a huge effect

i'm gonna cite this tournament next time people complain about wanting more foreign seeding in anything

either full region lock (nobody will watch) or equal seeding, inbetween stuff makes no sense

Yeah, this wishy washy in between stuff isn't really working. Either shit or get off the pot imo, either go full region lock and see if it works(I suspect it might work better than many seem to think), or just do it like Dreamhack or ESL.

We just watched a really convoluted and quite unfair format(or didn't watch, in the case of the open bracket), and we still ended up with Koreans and two of the only foreigners who have anything resembling consistent success against Koreans, as per usual.


I think region locking in NA is a dead idea. The numbers just aren't there according to TB, and thats IF they show up to play.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 22 2014 14:33 GMT
#51
On June 22 2014 23:12 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 23:06 kottbullar wrote:
Is it really too much to expect casters to somewhat play the game at least semi-regularly ? =(


Out of the 6 casters, 4 are GM or even pro level and play more than most. Day9 might not play as much anymore since he is working on his own game, but due to doing daylies he is still up to date on the meta. Nobody knows what Axeltoss is really doing, but not every caster has to do analysis. I think the casters are really fucking great at this MLG to be honest .


Wrong Sir, I see no Rotti Sound Box.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 22 2014 14:39 GMT
#52
On June 22 2014 23:33 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 23:12 Musicus wrote:
On June 22 2014 23:06 kottbullar wrote:
Is it really too much to expect casters to somewhat play the game at least semi-regularly ? =(


Out of the 6 casters, 4 are GM or even pro level and play more than most. Day9 might not play as much anymore since he is working on his own game, but due to doing daylies he is still up to date on the meta. Nobody knows what Axeltoss is really doing, but not every caster has to do analysis. I think the casters are really fucking great at this MLG to be honest .


Wrong Sir, I see no Rotti Sound Box.


Imagine Rotti casting with the RSB .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2014 14:40 GMT
#53
On June 22 2014 18:44 bluQ wrote:
I don't fucking get this format ... I mean i am a studied man and stuff, but it doesn't seem to reveal the beauty of this format to me.
We don't got to see ANY of the Open Bracket matches? Why is that? Why did we need to watch puck vs Illusion when we had something like Harstem vs JD going on :/
Very disappointed in this MLG.

peasant bracket is just there to protect the foreigners that everyone wants to watch.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 22 2014 14:42 GMT
#54
On June 22 2014 23:32 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 21:37 Squat wrote:
On June 22 2014 21:00 Waise wrote:
On June 22 2014 17:31 phil.ipp wrote:
so only koreans in the top 8, given that scarlett and huk dont win against life and hyun

seems all the MLG effort to seed foreigners doesnt really make a huge effect

i'm gonna cite this tournament next time people complain about wanting more foreign seeding in anything

either full region lock (nobody will watch) or equal seeding, inbetween stuff makes no sense

Yeah, this wishy washy in between stuff isn't really working. Either shit or get off the pot imo, either go full region lock and see if it works(I suspect it might work better than many seem to think), or just do it like Dreamhack or ESL.

We just watched a really convoluted and quite unfair format(or didn't watch, in the case of the open bracket), and we still ended up with Koreans and two of the only foreigners who have anything resembling consistent success against Koreans, as per usual.


I think region locking in NA is a dead idea. The numbers just aren't there according to TB, and thats IF they show up to play.

We don't know before we try though, I mean really try, at least once. I strongly suspect the Korean flood into WCS NA combined with the inevitable deflation of the unsustainable SC2 bubble may have caused irreparable damage to the scene however, so maybe not.

The consistent lack of professionalism and drama whoring on the part of many players is not helping generate any credibility either. I just want MLG to make it its mind, either it's an NA tournament or it's and international one. Making a tournament that is borderline rigged the favour hometown heroes is just the worst of both worlds.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#55
On June 22 2014 23:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 23:33 stuchiu wrote:
On June 22 2014 23:12 Musicus wrote:
On June 22 2014 23:06 kottbullar wrote:
Is it really too much to expect casters to somewhat play the game at least semi-regularly ? =(


Out of the 6 casters, 4 are GM or even pro level and play more than most. Day9 might not play as much anymore since he is working on his own game, but due to doing daylies he is still up to date on the meta. Nobody knows what Axeltoss is really doing, but not every caster has to do analysis. I think the casters are really fucking great at this MLG to be honest .


Wrong Sir, I see no Rotti Sound Box.


Imagine Rotti casting with the RSB .

I don't know, man.
why even
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
June 22 2014 15:08 GMT
#56
On June 22 2014 22:23 sacrilegious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 17:31 phil.ipp wrote:
so only koreans in the top 8, given that scarlett and huk dont win against life and hyun

seems all the MLG effort to seed foreigners doesnt really make a huge effect

I just woke up and saw the brackets, and at the end nothing surprises me at all. I'm actually surprised HuK is up there, but Scarlett's at least legit in my eyes now.

But you know what she works her ass off, evidenced enough by the fact she is willing to travel to Korea and EU and practice with the top end (aside from her own team). Tell me any other foreigner at this moment who is willing to do the same and expect results. Actually that is why I'm surprised State didn't go further since he is one of those who dedicated himself

Again really was anyone expecting the brackets to look different? Were they expecting members of ROOT to tear it up?


i think you missunderstood. i dont think anyone in this thread would say that scarlett isnt legit and deserves where she is.

point is, i dont think she needs a MLG rigged bracket to end up where she is
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
June 22 2014 15:11 GMT
#57
So, what games will be on the mainstage in your opinion? I would really like to see Trap vs Keen, but most likely it will be Scarlett vs Life. Hopefully not Hyun vs HuK, 1 week ago that was a stomp by Hyun.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 22 2014 15:13 GMT
#58
Yeah I'm bummed that State hasn't worked his way up there, given that he really put himself out there to improve in Korea. He has been out of Korea for a month though so I will keep the faith alive when he goes back.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 22 2014 15:30 GMT
#59
I want to see Keen or Seed on the main stage!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Firestorm
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada341 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 15:30:41
June 22 2014 15:30 GMT
#60
On June 22 2014 23:42 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 23:32 stuchiu wrote:
On June 22 2014 21:37 Squat wrote:
On June 22 2014 21:00 Waise wrote:
On June 22 2014 17:31 phil.ipp wrote:
so only koreans in the top 8, given that scarlett and huk dont win against life and hyun

seems all the MLG effort to seed foreigners doesnt really make a huge effect

i'm gonna cite this tournament next time people complain about wanting more foreign seeding in anything

either full region lock (nobody will watch) or equal seeding, inbetween stuff makes no sense

Yeah, this wishy washy in between stuff isn't really working. Either shit or get off the pot imo, either go full region lock and see if it works(I suspect it might work better than many seem to think), or just do it like Dreamhack or ESL.

We just watched a really convoluted and quite unfair format(or didn't watch, in the case of the open bracket), and we still ended up with Koreans and two of the only foreigners who have anything resembling consistent success against Koreans, as per usual.


I think region locking in NA is a dead idea. The numbers just aren't there according to TB, and thats IF they show up to play.

We don't know before we try though, I mean really try, at least once. I strongly suspect the Korean flood into WCS NA combined with the inevitable deflation of the unsustainable SC2 bubble may have caused irreparable damage to the scene however, so maybe not.

The consistent lack of professionalism and drama whoring on the part of many players is not helping generate any credibility either. I just want MLG to make it its mind, either it's an NA tournament or it's and international one. Making a tournament that is borderline rigged the favour hometown heroes is just the worst of both worlds.


We have tried on multiple occasions. Two Shoutcrafts (to which TB admitted that NA is a lost cause), MLG NA only events (to try out MLG TV than to promote the NA scene) and the 2012 WCS system. Even Blizzard foresaw the problems of viewership in a region locked NA and decided against it.

What more proof do you want?
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