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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pVJUVG3.png) Wednesday, Jun 18 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2/Code_S TL Preview: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/459531-code-s-ro4-day-1-preview-season-2
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xYABn.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BYeIVJf.png)  Maru vs  Classic ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/1.png)
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Maru vs Classic Game 1
Maru vs Classic Game 2
Maru vs Classic Game 3
Maru vs Classic Game 4
Maru vs Classic Game 5
Maru vs Classic Game 6
Maru vs Classic Game 7
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 9% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (7) 10% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (40) 59% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (15) 22% 68 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 13% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 5% ★★★- Good game (13) 33% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (17) 44% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2) 5% 39 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 11% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 17% ★★★- Good game (15) 42% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (7) 19% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 11% 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 10% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 4% ★★★- Good game (14) 27% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (23) 44% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (8) 15% 52 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 5?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 16% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (11) 30% ★★★- Good game (4) 11% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (5) 14% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (11) 30% 37 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 5? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 6?★- Do not see this game no matter what (12) 33% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 8% ★★★- Good game (6) 17% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (9) 25% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (6) 17% 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 6? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 7?★- Do not see this game no matter what (16) 64% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 12% ★★★- Good game (2) 8% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 12% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 4% 25 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 7? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Poll: Head?Maru (49) 61% Classic (31) 39% 80 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Maru
(Vote): Classic
Poll: Heart?TERRANNNNNNNN (61) 68% Classic (29) 32% 90 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): TERRANNNNNNNN
(Vote): Classic
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your Country52797 Posts
(Under overall results, it should say 4-x not 3-x)
I will guess Maru 4-3 here.
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On June 18 2014 08:26 The_Templar wrote:
(Under overall results, it should say 4-x not 3-x)
I will guess Maru 4-3 here.
Blame litcher
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wow banner bias much.
I would like to see Maru win even tho I've never been such a huge fan. His TvP manages to always doubt myself though and I do want him to play TRUE in the finals, so go Maru!
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On June 18 2014 10:16 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
wow banner bias much.
I would like to see Maru win even tho I've never been such a huge fan. His TvP manages to always doubt myself though and I do want him to play TRUE in the finals, so go Maru!
I sent him a banner. If he approves, we get less bias.
Hope we get good games!
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You just had the put Maru on the left in the banner, now I have to re-order the entire post.
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Maru's gonna win, the way he plays terran is just on another level
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On June 18 2014 10:23 Dodgin wrote:
You just had the put Maru on the left in the banner, now I have to re-order the entire post.
It was better for the flow of the picture. It looked really clumped up if not. Design > efficiency
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United States97276 Posts
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT!
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On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT!
Ban yourself
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WCS Predictor says
Starts in
+ Show Spoiler [Maru, Classic in GSL S2 Code S] +GSL S2 Code S-   Maru is at ~ 40.72 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 43.57 % of the time Maru wins and their chances go up to ~ 74.76 %. ~ 56.43 % of the time Maru loses and their chances go down to ~ 14.43 %. ------------------------------------------------- -  Classic is at ~ 50.52 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 56.43 % of the time Classic wins and their chances go up to ~ 80.9 %. ~ 43.57 % of the time Classic loses and their chances go down to ~ 11.18 %.
+ Show Spoiler [Winning Chances] +GSL S2 Code S Classic has a ~ 36.03 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 50.52 % to ~ 99.91 %  soO has a ~ 28.94 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 70.57 % to ~ 100 % Maru has a ~ 22.65 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 40.72 % to ~ 99.96 % TRUE has a ~ 12.38 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 13.06 % to ~ 84.91 %
http://sc2.4ever.tv/
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself
I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion.
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your Country52797 Posts
On June 18 2014 11:11 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion.
Why is shellshock not red, just out of curiosity?
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United States97276 Posts
On June 18 2014 11:15 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 11:11 lichter wrote:On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion. Why is shellshock not red, just out of curiosity?
why would I be a red? lichter is like the Queen of TL writers. I'm just like average banling
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
he was late for the meeting
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United States97276 Posts
that too. and because I was late, Classic is going to lose 3-4
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
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Why Maru does not look like his age..
He look like 13 year old boy. . not 17 teenage age.
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On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
TRUE beating Zest was pretty big.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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United States97276 Posts
On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
But Classic 2-0d Maru just last season
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
yeah i think it's a close match, no way is classic beating maru going to be an upset.
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On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
Disagree, Classic is a beast.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
That was Shine beating sOs. Or Shine beating Flash. Injustice!
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Pffft, why would I want Terran to win? They just won the last two Premier events! It's time for another Protoss champion since Zerg has also won one more recently.
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On June 18 2014 12:48 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season. That was Shine beating sOs. Or Shine beating Flash. Injustice!
I still say True 3-0'ing Zest. I mean, True shouldn't even be in the ro8 xD
Now watch him win the season..
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On June 18 2014 13:07 WTCO wrote:
Pffft, why would I want Terran to win? They just won the last two Premier events! It's time for another Protoss champion since Zerg has also won one more recently.
"they"
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United States97276 Posts
On June 18 2014 13:59 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 13:07 WTCO wrote:
Pffft, why would I want Terran to win? They just won the last two Premier events! It's time for another Protoss champion since Zerg has also won one more recently. "they"
the terran have transcended into a collective hive mind
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 18 2014 13:07 WTCO wrote:
Pffft, why would I want Terran to win? They just won the last two Premier events! It's time for another Protoss champion since Zerg has also won one more recently.
This doesn't sound vaguely racist at all!
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Will Classic show he is the best decision making skill in SC2 ?
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On June 18 2014 13:07 WTCO wrote:
Pffft, why would I want Terran to win? They just won the last two Premier events! It's time for another Protoss champion since Zerg has also won one more recently.
It's terran who needs "another champion", not protoss.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Dodgin made an LR thread??????????????????????
passion is back
you should use that wintex banner at the top tho, looks cooler
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I really like Classic but TERRAAAAAAAANN comes first
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On June 18 2014 15:25 Lorning wrote:
Dodgin made an LR thread??????????????????????
passion is back
you should use that wintex banner at the top tho, looks cooler
maru bias belongs at the top, this is my thread I do what I want~
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 18 2014 15:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 15:25 Lorning wrote:
Dodgin made an LR thread??????????????????????
passion is back
you should use that wintex banner at the top tho, looks cooler maru bias belongs at the top, this is my thread I do what I want~
Woah, I have not seen you this passionful since Maru won OSL.
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On June 18 2014 12:20 Seeker wrote:
Classic beating Maru would be the upset of the season.
maru beating soulkey was bigger upset.
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why wouldn't you be biased towards the best terran in the world anyways, Maru #1
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Marus wrath will be swift and total.
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 18 2014 11:11 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion.
did reds get a power upgrade or something? 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2014 16:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 11:11 lichter wrote:On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion. did reds get a power upgrade or something?
I'm allowed to press the buttons but I probably shouldn't test them out for fun
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new and improved maru bias banner goin up
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
fun story
When I made the banner it was only half the banner it is now (mirrored part wasn't there). But the 'half banner's' width was too small, so I just mirrored the original banner and pasted it next to the original. Et Voila
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top banner is the creepiest thing i've ever seen
wtf?
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My crazy prediction. Let's do this Classic!
Maru <Frost> Classic
Maru <Merry Go Round> Classic
Maru <Waystation> Classic
Maru <Habitation Station> Classic
Maru <Alterzim Stronghold> Classic
Maru <King Sejong Station> Classic
Maru <Overgrowth> Classic
Classic wins 4-3!
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On June 18 2014 17:10 Emerson_H wrote:
top banner is the creepiest thing i've ever seen
wtf?
Good.
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Maru gonna catch a classic body
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Maru reaching the finals would really cap a remarkable storyline.
But really, does it even matter? Nobody's gonna stop the Bane Train in the finals once it rolls over soO.
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the terran rektoning is imminent i fear
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On June 18 2014 16:40 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 16:38 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 18 2014 11:11 lichter wrote:On June 18 2014 10:28 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
I knew Dodgin would come out to support my boy Classic! SKT best KT! Ban yourself I have the power to ban shellbot now, I'm just waiting for a nice occasion. did reds get a power upgrade or something? I'm allowed to press the buttons but I probably shouldn't test them out for fun
You would be good nuclear power station supervisor
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Come on Prince its time you took what was yours all along. On another thought I wish it was Maru and Oov together on Skt with Oov ensuring the survival of the terran race through Maru.  Ahh fantasyland....
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Whats this thing with Maru and the death theme?
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Great LR Dodgin! You up for a sig bet? I believe in Maru!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2014 17:43 ValM wrote:Come on Prince its time you took what was yours all along. On another thought I wish it was Maru and Oov together on Skt with Oov ensuring the survival of the terran race through Maru. Ahh fantasyland....
FanTaSy is still on SKT T1. Too bad he macros like stack overflow
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That top banner is fucked up. There sure have been some disturbing LR banners this GSL season.
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On June 18 2014 17:49 aZealot wrote:
That top banner is fucked up. There sure have been some disturbing LR banners this GSL season.
DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH
that is the theme of this thread now
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On June 18 2014 17:47 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 17:43 ValM wrote:Come on Prince its time you took what was yours all along. On another thought I wish it was Maru and Oov together on Skt with Oov ensuring the survival of the terran race through Maru. Ahh fantasyland.... FanTaSy is still on SKT T1. Too bad he macros like stack overflow
Haha true that. I do have my hopes pinned on him but it just makes me sad how much the times have changed because my love for SKT was synonymous with my love for Terran and SKT's contribution in all that is terran. Either way Flash's recent games have made me hopeful yet again but another favorite Terran(read MMA) always gives me wings and takes them away. 
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On June 18 2014 17:49 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 17:49 aZealot wrote:
That top banner is fucked up. There sure have been some disturbing LR banners this GSL season. DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH that is the theme of this thread now
"Death", eh? So said the Rohirrim on the fields of Pelennor.
Let's hope this series is not that catastrophic.
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MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU MARU
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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I think Classic wins but I made bet that Maru wins...
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The chin versus stim! Who will win?
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TIME TO WATCH THE ONLY TERRAN THAT MATTERS :D
seriously so hyped right now
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On June 18 2014 17:44 DJHelium wrote:
Great LR Dodgin! You up for a sig bet? I believe in Maru!
I'll do another sig bet when my control over lorning expires next year
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On June 18 2014 18:00 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 17:44 DJHelium wrote:
Great LR Dodgin! You up for a sig bet? I believe in Maru! I'll do another sig bet when my control over lorning expires next year
Fine
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 18 2014 18:00 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 17:44 DJHelium wrote:
Great LR Dodgin! You up for a sig bet? I believe in Maru! I'll do another sig bet when my control over lorning expires next year
You're not even abusing it at the moment
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On June 18 2014 18:01 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:00 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 17:44 DJHelium wrote:
Great LR Dodgin! You up for a sig bet? I believe in Maru! I'll do another sig bet when my control over lorning expires next year You're not even abusing it at the moment
no material
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Personally, I think Maru is going to come to really play: 4 - 2 Maru is my pick and it's going to be somewhat one-sided.
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I think Maru will do a lot of 1-1-1 openings, and that he will win 4-1.
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Late flight back from Sweden, I guess.
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Good, so he doesn't curse Maru more than he already has.
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It's well past time for Artosis to put down that damn deck of cards.
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As much as I want a terran in the finals, I think classic is too solid overall. Gonna be a great series though me thinks!
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there will be no making fun of children's card games in my thread, yugioh is fucking awesome.
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SICK CITY
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RIP in peace Artosis' passion.
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Maru stop trolling dude this is serious business!
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Did artosis skip code s ro4 to play hearthstone or what?
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Tasteless is making stuff up... only like 50% of the translation is correct
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On June 18 2014 18:12 Ryndika wrote:
Did artosis skip code s ro4 to play hearthstone or what?
Don't think he has returned in time or is too jet-lagged or some shit to cast, the slacker.
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On June 18 2014 18:12 Ryndika wrote:
Did artosis skip code s ro4 to play hearthstone or what?
He was casting HS at Dreamhack, so probably not at home yet or just unavailable to cast.
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Maru would be better in the finals if for no other reason that we need him at Blizzcon, and right now, he doesn't leave Korea..
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On June 18 2014 18:12 Ryndika wrote:
Did artosis skip code s ro4 to play hearthstone or what?
He casted hearthstone @ dreamhack last weekend so probably not home yet yes.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru
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On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru
Maru just wants to play, man. Too much blah-blah, not enough pew pew.
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Maru will cheese on every map
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On June 18 2014 18:15 DJHelium wrote:
So will we see an 11/11?
The question is how many.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 18 2014 18:15 DJHelium wrote:
So will we see an 11/11?
Proxy reaper on Alterzim, 2 rax on Overgrowth
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On June 18 2014 18:15 Noonius wrote:
Maru will cheese on every map
2 rax every game .. i would love to see the reactions of people
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On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru
clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls
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wtf did they change the map order
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On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls
Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love.
Maru is nailing it IMO
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No Artosis to curse on Maru, very lucky of him
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On June 18 2014 18:17 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love. Maru is nailing it IMO
Playing terran is the mysterious factor all girls love.
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I don't know why they got rid of individual player introductions
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On June 18 2014 18:17 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:17 goody153 wrote:On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love. Maru is nailing it IMO Playing terran is the mysterious factor all girls love.
http://www.sc2quoteoftheday.com/?date=09-Jun-13
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On June 18 2014 18:17 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:17 goody153 wrote:On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love. Maru is nailing it IMO Playing terran is the mysterious factor all girls love.
That and stimming over and over again for the win. 
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 18 2014 18:17 Dodgin wrote:
WHY YOU DO THIS GOMTV?
GOMeXP
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Can confirm stimming + mysterious #1
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TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRANN
Maru 4-0.
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On June 18 2014 18:18 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:17 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 18:17 goody153 wrote:On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love. Maru is nailing it IMO Playing terran is the mysterious factor all girls love. That and stimming over and over again for the win.
But stimming over and over makes you run out of bio quicker.
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On June 18 2014 18:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:GOMeXP
They'll always be gomtv to me
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put down them factories Maru! >o<;
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Interesting build from Maru, quick concussive after CC first 3 rax.
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On June 18 2014 18:20 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:18 aZealot wrote:On June 18 2014 18:17 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 18:17 goody153 wrote:On June 18 2014 18:16 Noonius wrote:On June 18 2014 18:13 Lorning wrote:
"I don't care"
"Leave me alone"
"Let me go home"
Classic Maru clearly Maru's not used to talking to girls Hey that's the mysterious factor all girls love. Maru is nailing it IMO Playing terran is the mysterious factor all girls love. That and stimming over and over again for the win. But stimming over and over makes you run out of bio quicker.
That's when you look for the heals, and then you stim again.
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borrriiing no 2 rax by maru :\
it's like i am not even watching maru but just some other terran
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Boy, that's a greedy third.
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"Good scan here."
Sees nothing.
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maru scans, sees nothing
wolf says "good scan here"
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What was Maru trying to achieve there at that ramp?
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On June 18 2014 18:23 Ketch wrote:
What was Maru trying to achieve there at that ramp?
Kill some sentries.
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Time to put down a shit ton of gates.
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Looks terrible for Maru this game
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What the...why did Maru go to the ramp there? He could've tried for the expo and probably picked off more units after Classic came down than he got in that fight.
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oh jeez. Classic is so ahead
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Wow, perfect medivac-forcefield-rescue counterplay there.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Looks bad for Maru in g1 :/
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I start to believe that Maru is really not feel well.
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widow mines ? isn't widow mines like bad vs colossi ?
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Holy shit classic... that blink was so on point and well timed.
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Not a fan of Classic's simcity at home. 3 important and unrelated tech structures right next to each other in a spot that isn't a corner.
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pretty much the perfect game by classic so far, will be hard to lose this one from here
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Is Classic playing this too safe? I'd prefer if he was putting on some pressure than sitting back.
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Tasteless, we all know Artosis: "Captain Careful"- lol
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On June 18 2014 18:27 aZealot wrote:
Is Classic playing this too safe? I'd prefer if he was putting on some pressure than sitting back.
Classic doesn't beat you. Classic lets you beat yourself.
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Damn Classic is playing awesome
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On June 18 2014 18:27 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:27 aZealot wrote:
Is Classic playing this too safe? I'd prefer if he was putting on some pressure than sitting back. Classic doesn't beat you. Classic lets you beat yourself.
Hmm, he had a sizeable army with 2 Colossus vs no Vikings. Anyway, it's done now.
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Belgica34432 Posts
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HOLY SHIT MARU
you're so fucking good holy god
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Hallucinated Collossi attacking a high-ground Depot might be the best thing I've seen all day.
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What a crappy engagement for classic!
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Way to throw the game Classic.
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On June 18 2014 18:31 DJHelium wrote:
What a crappy engagement for classic!
yeah, the time warps hurt him... (also his zealot count seemed low - or they just melted)
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Really clean engagement from maru, he exploited classic's positionning very well.
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Suddenly Maru is back in this ;o
I've learned never to underestimate toss once they have storm though..
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Well Classic not keeping up in the rest of the game... whew Maru is cathing up and overtaking... maybe dt's can do something?
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Wow those ghosts got wrecked
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Sick fight win by Maru, too bad he can't push his advantage.
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"BLIIIIIIINK" - Nick Plott 2014
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Pretty good Game 1. I am not disappointed.
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this game is so close awesome
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how are you still alive Maru
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wow really even in the end
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A fight like THAT, and Maru still saw the blur immediately.
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sick game! (maru harvesting a bit too much gas)
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On June 18 2014 18:36 Circumstance wrote:
A fight like THAT, and Maru still saw the blur immediately.
You mean the DT? You can hear it as well of course, he only killed it after Classics army was gone
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Maru needs more startports, IMO
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Maru is channeling the Polt
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 9% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (7) 10% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (40) 59% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (15) 22% 68 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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damn
CMon Maru...
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Classic escapes death... for now...
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YEAH, CLASSIC! Gogogo, winwinwin SKT v SKT finale.
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Any other position on that map, Classic is dead
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looks like we got a classic series on our hands guys
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Classic will send Maru back to school.
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wp by classic, was about to drop the ball there for a moment but still GG
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That one fight where he lost ten+ ghosts... still some moments of brilliance from Maru... gogo
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come on maru, win this
we need a terran in the finals!
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The level of salt in that single 1-star vote.
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still 4 vikings against 4 colossus aint gonna do anything. Maru losing all the vikings is the key to his defeat imo
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On June 18 2014 18:38 Dodgin wrote:Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 9% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (7) 10% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (40) 59% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (15) 22% 68 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On June 18 2014 18:39 Circumstance wrote:
The level of salt in that single 1-star vote.
Maybe, but there's usually at least one guy who votes 1 star however good the game.
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Close game but classic JUST pulls out. I think maru coulda won that though. Harassed too much and didnt deal with the army. Day protoss deathball, scary shit.
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On June 18 2014 18:39 Schelim wrote:
looks like we got a classic series on our hands guys
snacks ready, extra bowl packed, that game let me know it's about to go DOWWNNNn.
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Nice poll
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That was sweet game 1, what TvP is nearly at it's best.
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On June 18 2014 18:41 below66 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:39 Schelim wrote:
looks like we got a classic series on our hands guys snack ready, extra bowl packed, that game let me know it's about to go DOWWNNNn.
lucky you
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should have gone proxy oracle without a doubt best strat on this map
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On June 18 2014 18:41 below66 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:39 Schelim wrote:
looks like we got a classic series on our hands guys snacks ready, extra bowl packed, that game let me know it's about to go DOWWNNNn.
i hope you also caught my terrible pun
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This game was so epic it crashed my firefox. o_o
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Agh I missed a good portion of that game, sounds like it was really good!
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On June 18 2014 18:43 Undead1993 wrote:
should have gone proxy oracle without a doubt best strat on this map
should go full Sjaak and double proxy stargate
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Classic can only dodge the reaper so many times
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On June 18 2014 18:43 Undead1993 wrote:
should have gone proxy oracle without a doubt best strat on this map
Classic is not much of a cheeser. I think he just likes playing lategame. I reckon he lacks a little killer instinct.
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On June 18 2014 18:44 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:43 Undead1993 wrote:
should have gone proxy oracle without a doubt best strat on this map should go full Sjaak and double proxy stargate
that's the second best build
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overchage and an oracle. So far so good
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Oh this is gravy for Maru
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wow... bold third from Classic... he's bout to die
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Looks like that annoying phoenix/Collosus comp?
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How this build went from PvZ to PvT still evades me.
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Maru's engagements are so sick
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On June 18 2014 18:49 Circumstance wrote:
How this build went from PvZ to PvT still evades me.
Blame MyuNgSiK.
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What a suicidal chase from classic
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Australia18228 Posts
biggest overextension ever
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classic is fucked
MARUUUUU
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Haha, Maru is a literal god.
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No storm. Maru is in the clear
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On June 18 2014 18:50 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:49 Circumstance wrote:
How this build went from PvZ to PvT still evades me. Blame MyuNgSiK.
And Jim!
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Don't know what Classic was thinking pursuing Maru's force after losing the third.
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Why did Classic chase Maru with only his Colossi left? Quite a blunder.
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That was just a slaughter.
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Maru confirmed micro god. The cloud of death descends on Classic!
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Canada16217 Posts
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 13% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 5% ★★★- Good game (13) 33% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (17) 44% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2) 5% 39 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Turns out chasing marauders with pure collosus is not the best idea -_-
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Man, Classic should have given up the third. This is a death animation.
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TEEEEEEERRRRRRRRAAAAAAAANNNNNN!
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Chasing with the naked colossi is not a good idea.
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classic might have misread that, chasing the army with 3 naked collossi was like sooooooo unnecessary
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Viking micro vs zealot. So so guuud!
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Never underestimate Maru's micro
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Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea.
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I felt like Classic way over-extended when he lost his third. It's the whole bear-snickers analogy again, no?
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On June 18 2014 18:52 AccoWand wrote:
Viking micro vs zealot. So so guuud!
Maru micro sooo sooo guuud
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10 errors made by classic, yet a super close game
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On June 18 2014 18:52 TheDwf wrote:
Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea.
Yeah that was 100% classic chasing a bear.
What heppened in game 1 by the way? Wasn't ther
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 18:54 Kitaen wrote:
10 errors made by classic, yet a super close game
Shows how good a player he is
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On June 18 2014 18:55 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:54 Kitaen wrote:
10 errors made by classic, yet a super close game Shows how good a player he is
puck's fan club going strong today
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On June 18 2014 18:54 Kitaen wrote:
10 errors made by classic, yet a super close game
Wasn't really close. Maru rekt him the 2nd game.
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On June 18 2014 18:55 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:52 TheDwf wrote:
Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea. Yeah that was 100% classic chasing a bear. What heppened in game 1 by the way? Wasn't ther
Good question, I wasn't here either!
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Again this shitty song?
But what song is it, actually? xD
I always try to figure out what they're singing... but... I can't :o
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On June 18 2014 18:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:55 Incognoto wrote:On June 18 2014 18:52 TheDwf wrote:
Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea. Yeah that was 100% classic chasing a bear. What heppened in game 1 by the way? Wasn't ther Good question, I wasn't here either!
CC first into 3 rax concussive aggression vs kind of fast 3 nexus. Maru did almost no damage with his first two attacks and got behind.
Still stayed in for the longer game and took a great engagement at the north xelnaga of Frost, great positioning with vikings and ghosts.
Went into standard long game TvP, Maru did some nice harassment but meanwhile Classic crushed him with his main army.
Was a good game!
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On June 18 2014 18:58 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:57 TheDwf wrote:On June 18 2014 18:55 Incognoto wrote:On June 18 2014 18:52 TheDwf wrote:
Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea. Yeah that was 100% classic chasing a bear. What heppened in game 1 by the way? Wasn't ther Good question, I wasn't here either! CC first into 3 rax concussive aggression vs kind of fast 3 nexus. Maru did almost no damage with his first two attacks and got behind. Still stayed in for the longer game and took a great engagement at the north xelnaga of Frost, great positioning with vikings and ghosts. Went into standard long game TvP, Maru did some nice harassment but meanwhile Classic crushed him with his main army. Was a good game!
Thanks a lot!
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Well if it wasn't a one-sided stomp then Maru can take this.
Thanks
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On June 18 2014 18:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 18:55 Incognoto wrote:On June 18 2014 18:52 TheDwf wrote:
Maru the sorcerer, making people believe chasing bio in the open with unsupported Colossi against 5 rax is a good idea. Yeah that was 100% classic chasing a bear. What heppened in game 1 by the way? Wasn't ther Good question, I wasn't here either!
Classic took a a fast 3rd while Maru went for the same open as g2. He lost lot of unit in the early game due to FF without dealing damage, thus puting him behind. Then it goes macro game, both 3/3 and 4 bases. Maru take an incredible fight and went 170 army to 120. But since Classic was so much ahead before, he remaxed with a huge bank and Maru lost his vikings in the process. Then it went to a slowly and painful death against 3/3 5 bases protoss on cross po on Frost. You see how it goes usually.
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I want more hellion builds, come on Maru!
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Belgica34432 Posts
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woah hotsix cup again! those are usually great!
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Hmm, R1ch is needed; I get warnings from my security software when I f5.. Anyone else?
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Hope Taeja gets in the Hotsix cup!
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I would prefer a TvZ final w/ potentially Soojwa finally winning so I have to root for Maru here.
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I am pumped.
Maru win this!!
marumarumarumarumarumaruarmarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumarumaru
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On June 18 2014 19:04 Penev wrote:
Hmm, R1ch is needed; I get warnings from my security software when I f5.. Anyone else?
Do not press F5, problem solved :D
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lol this is gonna be interesting
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MARU ISNT BITING! FUCK THIS PROXY SHIT.
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On June 18 2014 19:05 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:04 Penev wrote:
Hmm, R1ch is needed; I get warnings from my security software when I f5.. Anyone else? Do not press F5, problem solved :D
It's already fixed but thanks for the advice!
Edit: Nope, it's back; It's an ad..
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Maru going 1 rax fe, what the heck
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woah, walked away expecting nexus and CC first xD
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On June 18 2014 19:06 DJHelium wrote:
Maru going 1 rax fe, what the heck
There should be a banner at the top of every GSL game. "Do not try this on ladder!"
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my banner is so much cooler
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Fast 2 gas into double CC, very very greedy. I like it!
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did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo.
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Classic has some advantage here, no?
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On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo.
He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six...
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On June 18 2014 19:10 SatedSC2 wrote:3CC. Very smart. Maru is going to be ahead once he can secure his expansion, Classic won't be able to punish this. EDIT: Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:06 DJHelium wrote:
Maru going 1 rax fe, what the heck There should be a banner at the top of every GSL game. "Do not try this on ladder!" 1 Rax FE is still a perfectly viable build...
Reaper FE is way better though.
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On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six...
psst! i know what i heard!
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So who's ahead after this? Maru does have triple CC?
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On June 18 2014 19:11 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six... psst! i know what i wanted to hear!
FTFY. Sorry.
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On June 18 2014 19:11 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:10 SatedSC2 wrote:3CC. Very smart. Maru is going to be ahead once he can secure his expansion, Classic won't be able to punish this. EDIT: On June 18 2014 19:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:06 DJHelium wrote:
Maru going 1 rax fe, what the heck There should be a banner at the top of every GSL game. "Do not try this on ladder!" 1 Rax FE is still a perfectly viable build... Reaper FE is way better though.
I only do rax expand into 3 rax double TL, It counter everything and it has a big harass option on it if the P plays greedy.
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On June 18 2014 19:11 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six... psst! i know what i heard!
WEll you Australians are pretty good with senses as I can see
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Who is casting, Tasteless, Wolf and someone more?
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On June 18 2014 19:13 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:11 Schelim wrote:On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six... psst! i know what i heard! WEll you Australians are pretty good with senses as I can see
oh no you didnt?!
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On June 18 2014 19:14 Glorfindel! wrote:
Who is casting, Tasteless, Wolf and someone more?
Just wolf and tasteless. Korean commentators in the background as always.
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Maru will be so ahead on upgrade
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On June 18 2014 19:13 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:11 Schelim wrote:On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six... psst! i know what i heard! WEll you Australians are pretty good with senses as I can see
Australians too busy watching State of Origin tonight.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Classic has to nail his chronos on the ups and he'll be in a fantastic spot
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THE SICKEST POINT DEFENSE DRONE TASTELESS
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best fucking pdd I have ever seen
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Haha I was thinking "that double forge placement is so bad vs drops" and see what happens :D
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awesome. Knew he was going to drop a PDD with a drop :D
he's way up on upgrades now
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On June 18 2014 19:14 DocSchlakk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:13 deacon.frost wrote:On June 18 2014 19:11 Schelim wrote:On June 18 2014 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:09 Schelim wrote:
did i just hear Tasteless promise me hot sex for free. i might have to go to Korea no homo. He didn't unfortunately..... he said Hot Six... psst! i know what i heard! WEll you Australians are pretty good with senses as I can see oh no you didnt?!
I read as well as he hears 
Also - finally someone using PDD!!! SICK1!!!
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Oh ho ho... Maru!!!!! Sick moves
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Sick snipe. But, what a place to put key tech structures, Classic.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Those forge snipes, that's huge
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That PDD was sooooo sexy.
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MARU
I LVOE YOU
HAHAHA
YES
You know, not gonna lie, when Classic put down those forges, I instantly thought of something Artosis once said "forges needa be put close to the middle of your base because a good T will get them". And this is totally what happened. But using PDD to get in? FUCK YEA
FUCK
MARU FYCK EYAh
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Maru is to the Warp-in Pylon what Poltimus is to the Nexus.
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Holy shit that PDD drop was so sick
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damn this match up is so frustrating
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 11% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 17% ★★★- Good game (15) 42% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (7) 19% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4) 11% 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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I left the stream for 2 minuts, what happened ? :O
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Seriously.. --;
after all that.
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That's a beautiful sight.
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On June 18 2014 19:19 Aeromi wrote:
I left the stream for 2 minuts, what happened ? :O
Maru played too good, so classic a clic because protoss
User was temp banned for this post.
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It is so pleasurable to see Maru get crushed.
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On June 18 2014 19:17 Incognoto wrote:
MARU
I LVOE YOU
HAHAHA
YES
You know, not gonna lie, when Classic put down those forges, I instantly thought of something Artosis once said "forges needa be put close to the middle of your base because a good T will get them". And this is totally what happened. But using PDD to get in? FUCK YEA
FUCK
MARU FYCK EYAh
I think you celebrated a little too early.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Wow, I haven't really watched any SC2 for a long time, but damn pretty fun to watch these games. Classic is just so freaking sick.
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Well, if you drop and the opponent attacks you, you have to be able to defend against the standing army. And the last engagement was really bad from Maru.
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On June 18 2014 19:19 Aeromi wrote:
I left the stream for 2 minuts, what happened ? :O
Protoss charged and Terran died.
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Did Maru just get Protossed? I was afk for a minute.
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Maru makes beautiful plays. Classic rolls over him with a regular army despite being behind in upgrades.
Talk about anti climactic.
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Classic PvT. Protoss outplayed into 1A.
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Starcraft 2 would be perfect if it had only terran and zerg
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Something i didn't understand about that game. Maru seemed to be winning and 30 seconds later, he has no army and Classic is destroying his main. wtf?
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well done by classic moved out at the right time, maru was too confident.
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On June 18 2014 19:19 Morphage wrote:
what happened?
Classic listened to the Day[9] saying.. He just went and fuckin killed him.
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What a great attack from protoss, Jesus crist!
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KEEP THE FAITH MARU'S GONNA WIN THE SERIES
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Denmark10305 Posts
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D
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On June 18 2014 19:19 SatedSC2 wrote:Wooooooow good attacking timing from Classic. Really caught Maru with his pants down
Those Vikings were doing FA for quite a while.
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That's frustrating. As a terran I can feel marus pain and frustration halfway across the world.
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On June 18 2014 19:20 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:17 Incognoto wrote:
MARU
I LVOE YOU
HAHAHA
YES
You know, not gonna lie, when Classic put down those forges, I instantly thought of something Artosis once said "forges needa be put close to the middle of your base because a good T will get them". And this is totally what happened. But using PDD to get in? FUCK YEA
FUCK
MARU FYCK EYAh I think you celebrated a little too early.
Yeah the move itself was sexy but the game itself had something wrong with it, I guess. Unfortunately I was typing that post instead of following the game.
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On June 18 2014 19:19 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:19 Aeromi wrote:
I left the stream for 2 minuts, what happened ? :O Maru played too good, so classic a clic because protoss
No because Maru's vikings were out of position.
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bad engagement at the end by Maru. afk vikings
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
ugh... this classic guy better not win
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Beautiful play from Classic.
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On June 18 2014 19:20 ~chut~ wrote:
Something i didn't understand about that game. Maru seemed to be winning and 30 seconds later, he has no army and Classic is destroying his main. wtf?
Maru sacrified a big chunk of units for the Nexus snipe + his Vikings were out of position.
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On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D
Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far.
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On June 18 2014 19:20 Dodgin wrote:
KEEP THE FAITH MARU'S GONNA WIN THE SERIES
He will
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That was just horrible fight for Maru. Too few vikings and vikings and those vikings that Maru had didnt do nothing. Just afk
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On June 18 2014 19:21 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:20 ~chut~ wrote:
Something i didn't understand about that game. Maru seemed to be winning and 30 seconds later, he has no army and Classic is destroying his main. wtf? Maru sacrified a big chunk of units for the Nexus snipe + his Vikings were out of position.
Pretty much. And his battle micro was not what we expect from Maru anyway.
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Great series so far.
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Maru looks concerned
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Maru can still take da series!
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Maru needs to realize he's gotta play solid cause classic has so few holes in his game. He's so solid you really gotta be on your game against him.
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People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness.
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cheddar is KING of cheese!
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On June 18 2014 19:21 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far.
That's pretty funny coming from you, judging by your last few posts in this thread
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"Everything is better with cheese" - Tasteless.
Checks out. Makes sense.
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Cheddar is not even cheese
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
How was Protoss outplayed all game? Classic's build choice got him an advantage in early game?
Maru sniped tech and a Nexus and I don't know what happened maybe he relaxed or had his attention elsewhere but he still needs to deal with Classic's army.
Also that PDD drop was sick, Gumiho showed a game on Whirlwind once doing it, so sick
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On June 18 2014 19:20 ~chut~ wrote:
Something i didn't understand about that game. Maru seemed to be winning and 30 seconds later, he has no army and Classic is destroying his main. wtf?
Main armies engaged. But, Maru's Vikings were outside the party and showed up too late for the dance.
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I smell some cheese incoming
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It's hard to compare Maru to Taeja, Maru is only in Korea whereas Taeja is bashing Koreans that travel a lot.
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On June 18 2014 19:22 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:21 jekku wrote:On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far. That's pretty funny coming from you
Considering i'm pretty good for not balance whining (i've had a few moments i'll admit) thats pretty funny coming from YOU!
But overall I try not to balance whine. And no "protoss good race" does not count as balance whine lol. I was kinda joking when I said that.
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On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness.
Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces.
Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL.
There's a reason he doesn't.
Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition.
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On June 18 2014 19:24 Incognoto wrote:
It's hard to compare Maru to Taeja, Maru is only in Korea whereas Taeja is bashing Koreans that travel a lot.
I think Classic would have won against Taeja at Dreamhack. :/
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So is Classic the new Protoss in the trend of Protosses that rise to become the best in the world?
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On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness.
They both have their strengths, but I rate Maru a bit higher overall. And yeah, Classic is a tier higher than the likes of HerO atm.
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On June 18 2014 19:22 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:21 jekku wrote:On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far. That's pretty funny coming from you, judging by your last few posts in this thread
Well I was kinda half kidding lol. I think late games tough for terran but I dont think games imba.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness.
I don't see Taeja matching SK and Classic, honestly. We'll likely never see if I'm right or wrong though.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness.
Taeja has better lategame TvP, Maru is a god at relentless MMM midgame aggression and trading, although I am seeing him play more for later stages of late, which is a pity as it's been both effective for him and damn entertaining
Controlling MMM and splitting and kiting is different from controlling that plus Vikings and Ghosts, Taeja is definitely better at that than Maru and indeed anyone.
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On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition.
This!
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition.
? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits.
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On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits.
How long ago?
Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now.
Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL.
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maybe we will see taeja taking part in this kespa cup thingie? who knows
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On June 18 2014 19:24 Thrillz wrote:
So is Classic the new Protoss in the trend of Protosses that rise to become the best in the world?
Nah, they are all empty pretenders while the President enjoys his self-imposed European exile.
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On June 18 2014 19:24 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 Incognoto wrote:
It's hard to compare Maru to Taeja, Maru is only in Korea whereas Taeja is bashing Koreans that travel a lot. I think Classic would have won against Taeja at Dreamhack. :/
Isn't that kind of what I was implying?
Either way it's hard to say anything for sure, so i don't care much for comparing two Terrans from different environments. No matter how good you are, winning a tournament without dropping a map is impressive. That's Nestea level.
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On June 18 2014 19:24 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 HolyArrow wrote:On June 18 2014 19:21 jekku wrote:On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far. That's pretty funny coming from you Considering i'm pretty good for not balance whining (i've had a few moments i'll admit) thats pretty funny coming from YOU! But overall I try not to balance whine. And no "protoss good race" does not count as balance whine lol. I was kinda joking when I said that.
Eh, it's implied. Anytime someone says "_____ good race", you can basically translate it to "i want to balance whine in a lighthearted, amusing way so I don't get modded for it". Not really a big deal, but you know it's true
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On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition.
Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent.
I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material.
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On June 18 2014 19:25 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. I don't see Taeja matching SK and Classic, honestly. We'll likely never see if I'm right or wrong though.
Taeja stomped Rain 3-0 and you think he couldn't take on Classic?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits. How long ago? Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now. Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL.
lol ok dear. Sure.
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On June 18 2014 19:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits. How long ago? Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now. Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL.
lol
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Maru is falling apart I feel ...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:27 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:25 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. I don't see Taeja matching SK and Classic, honestly. We'll likely never see if I'm right or wrong though. Taeja stomped Rain 3-0 and you think he couldn't take on Classic?
Yes
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equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell.
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Uhh, what the hell is maru thinking. Seems like he can't handle the oracles even with turrets.
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So sick harass and defense by Classic, really careful but powerful Oracle movements.
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I think they should further boost Oracle speed and acc.
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On June 18 2014 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 jekku wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 HolyArrow wrote:On June 18 2014 19:21 jekku wrote:On June 18 2014 19:20 SmoKim wrote:
Balance whine is strong today
oh and sick PDD drop, i was sure that he just suicided all his medics, Maru and Classic are soo good :D Actually I thought ppl been doing pretty good so far. That's pretty funny coming from you Considering i'm pretty good for not balance whining (i've had a few moments i'll admit) thats pretty funny coming from YOU! But overall I try not to balance whine. And no "protoss good race" does not count as balance whine lol. I was kinda joking when I said that. Eh, it's implied. Anytime someone says "_____ good race", you can basically translate it to "i want to balance whine in a lighthearted, amusing way so I don't get modded for it". Not really a big deal, but you know it's true
Well I cant control how you interpret things but I know what I meant. Next time i'll behind it. But my original point is the balance whine has been pretty good compared to normal. Usually its twice as bad lol.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
I wish the likes of Taeja and to a lesser degree HerO weren't continually dismissed when they both made Ro4s in Korea, do better than many of the current GSL crop when they are at foreign events and both acquitted themselves well enough in PL.
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On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition.
Lol such bias, Maru is not even Prime anymore.
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On June 18 2014 19:27 djraphi23 wrote:
Maru is falling apart I feel ...
feeling similar with that suicide to kill a few probes
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Well I think Maru is already dead ...
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On June 18 2014 19:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits. How long ago? Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now. Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL.
what the fuck did i just read
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On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material.
It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents.
Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players.
Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level.
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On June 18 2014 19:26 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 gTank wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Incognoto wrote:
It's hard to compare Maru to Taeja, Maru is only in Korea whereas Taeja is bashing Koreans that travel a lot. I think Classic would have won against Taeja at Dreamhack. :/ Isn't that kind of what I was implying? Either way it's hard to say anything for sure, so i don't care much for comparing two Terrans from different environments. No matter how good you are, winning a tournament without dropping a map is impressive. That's Nestea level.
Yes, not saying anything against it ^^
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Random question, if a revealed unit goes inside and unrevealed medivac, does the medivac get revealed?
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On June 18 2014 19:29 y0su wrote:feeling similar with that suicide to kill a few probes
but then...
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On June 18 2014 19:29 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits. How long ago? Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now. Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL. what the fuck did i just read
fanboy bait
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okay classic stop going phoenix colossus, just win normally
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On June 18 2014 19:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. ? Taeja is on better form than he's ever been, and he made several GSL ro8/ro4s. Calm your tits. How long ago? Seriously. Look at the last time Taeja played in the GSL and compare that to what the GSL is now. Taeja wouldn't get past Code A in the modern GSL.
lmao
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 10% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 4% ★★★- Good game (14) 27% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (23) 44% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (8) 15% 52 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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For some reason I love seeing this style of PvT crumble.
God damn Phoenix >:D
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On June 18 2014 19:29 djraphi23 wrote:
Well I think Maru is already dead ...
Sorry Maru, I shut up my mouth now !
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On June 18 2014 19:31 Dark.Carnival wrote:
okay classic stop going phoenix colossus, just win normally
This, really.
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THE PLAYS!!! :D Maru so good!
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I thought that was Maru being on tilt but the kid is beyond godlike...
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Australia18228 Posts
classic not using his phoenix properly
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Maru needs to stop wasting units with pre Medivac timings and just do more of that,
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TERRRRRRRAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Lol great play from both guys. Great series so far!
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Damn Maru really just knows how to engage
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On June 18 2014 19:29 djraphi23 wrote:
Well I think Maru is already dead ...
You should become a caster! :D
Sick moves by Maru, Classic controlling that somewhat sloppy.
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unbelievable.... i was 100% sure he lost that....
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Wow looked like Maru was dead for sure lol.
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On June 18 2014 19:31 Dodgin wrote:Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 10% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 4% ★★★- Good game (14) 27% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (23) 44% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (8) 15% 52 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 4? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level.
Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late.
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damn. I was scared... phew!
so strange, felt comfortable in the last game and shocked when Maru gets beat back; was sure Maru was going to get strangled this game and he just turns on his heel...
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Beautiful play by maru !!!! Bo5 or7?
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that was good decision making by Maru to focus on dropping 1st base.
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Classic needs to stop with the Phoenix play. It isn't working.
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Where are the beautiful storms, I want to see beautiful storms.
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Next level mind games, get your dropped 100% scouted, then go for it anyway
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Killmouse wrote:
Beautiful play by maru !!!! Bo5 or7?
Bo7! :D
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late.
Korean Protoss like who? Hero?
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Damn, wp from maru. His control is insane!
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Every time I watch Maru he does something where I'm like "NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" and then he just wins anyway.... This guy is just too fucking good :D
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On June 18 2014 19:29 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:28 TheOne26 wrote:
equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell. Protoss attacked an undefended location with a flying unit designed to harass. Terran attacked into a defended location with ground units not designed to harass.
wrong. terran was prepared with 2 turrets and marines. too bad oracles can get free kills anyway because it zips around like lighting. i didn't know that probes + MSC = defended location.
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Sweet old school play from Maru. This has been a good series. Time for my 4 - 2 Maru prediction to come true.
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Killmouse wrote:
Beautiful play by maru !!!! Bo5 or7?
Bo7, so sit back and enjoy!
Or stand up like me and jump in excitement
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Maru with the sick riposte..
I love how he poked at three different areas, found a weakness and then just drove him into that weakness. Protoss can't fight in several small groups I feel and Maru seemed to have taken advantage of that. The amount of damage that drop did, beautiful.
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On June 18 2014 19:31 Dark.Carnival wrote:
okay classic stop going phoenix colossus, just win normally
Pretty much go into lategame PvT where Protoss has the advantage. Problem is preventing Maru from killing you before that.
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short break, so what, 20 minutes?
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Dominican Republic621 Posts
why wasting money on phoenix instead of cannons on the ledge of the main base? he should have like 6 cannon and be saved instead of using phoenix to kill medivacs, classic decision on this map was really bad.
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By the way, I feel that Koreans in foreign lands aren't as strong as Koreans in Korea.
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On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero?
stop derailing the thread with your bullshit plz
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On June 18 2014 19:33 TheOne26 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:29 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:28 TheOne26 wrote:
equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell. Protoss attacked an undefended location with a flying unit designed to harass. Terran attacked into a defended location with ground units not designed to harass. wrong. terran was prepared with 2 turrets and marines. too bad oracles can get free kills anyway because it zips around like lighting. i didn't know that probes + MSC = defended location.
No fucking idea what you guys are on about. Nowhere do races have to have equal (whatever the fuck that means in SC2) harass opportunities at all points in the game. More to the point, stop the BS quibbling, please. It's a great series. Enjoy it.
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On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero?
Also Patience, Harstem and MC! :p
edit: and Balloon, Crank, Stardust, Yonghwa.. def top class players!
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late.
Taeja just collects checks after a nerd massacre B)
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On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero?
He 4-0'd MC at homestory...
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Maru deserves to win this imo, what he has to do to win is more impressive than how Classic wins his games
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late.
Wherre?
According to TLPD the only 2 Code S opponents he faced in the last 2 months are Innovation and Dear and he lost both games.
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Not again... xD
I hate this damn song xD
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On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late.
As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
More midgame aggression of this sort Maru, entertaining as hell and plays to your strengths.
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On June 18 2014 19:33 TheOne26 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:29 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:28 TheOne26 wrote:
equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell. Protoss attacked an undefended location with a flying unit designed to harass. Terran attacked into a defended location with ground units not designed to harass. wrong. terran was prepared with 2 turrets and marines. too bad oracles can get free kills anyway because it zips around like lighting. i didn't know that probes + MSC = defended location.
Remember when David Kim thought oracle speed buff would make them more interesting and less of a gimmick. Yeah lol.
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On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero?
4-0 HerO, 4-0 MC, 1-3 sOs, 2-3 Dear, 2-1 sOs, 1-3 Dear, 2-0 sOs, 3-0 Rain, 3-1 San, 0-1 Dear, 0-1 Rain and 1-0 herO.
That's his record against imo stronger protoss opponents for the last ~year. For sure it's nothing to scoff at, certainly code s level.
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Dominican Republic621 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing.
and people still think taeja is bonwja lol he just keep playing this tournaments with low rank international players.
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On June 18 2014 19:36 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:33 TheOne26 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:29 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:28 TheOne26 wrote:
equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell. Protoss attacked an undefended location with a flying unit designed to harass. Terran attacked into a defended location with ground units not designed to harass. wrong. terran was prepared with 2 turrets and marines. too bad oracles can get free kills anyway because it zips around like lighting. i didn't know that probes + MSC = defended location. Remember when David Kim thought oracle speed buff would make them more interesting and less of a gimmick. Yeah lol.
Remember when he created a unit that could blind and pull tanks ? Good times.
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On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing.
Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map.
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On June 18 2014 19:37 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero? 4-0 HerO, 4-0 MC, 1-3 sOs, 2-3 Dear, 2-1 sOs, 1-3 Dear, 2-0 sOs, 3-0 Rain, 3-1 San, 0-1 Dear, 0-1 Rain and 1-0 herO. That's his record against imo stronger protoss opponents for the last ~year. For sure it's nothing to scoff at, certainly code s level.
I'm fairly certain most code A dropout level terrans (Flash, Fantasy, Keen, Bbyong, Cure etc) has better vP records than that
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing.
That was what, Blizzcon 2013?
Not just Taeja but all these 'weak' players like Bomber and Jaedong did pretty fucking well vs the best the Kr region had to offer last time round.
Tbh the WCS system this year sucks without the season finals for this reason IMO, plus weighted things way too heavily to foreign events. I mean HerO's been on a monster slump and can conceivably make Blizzcon, something is wrong with that IMO and I use him as an example because I'm a huge fanboy and still think it's BS
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On June 18 2014 19:38 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Thrillz wrote:On June 18 2014 19:33 TheOne26 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:29 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:28 TheOne26 wrote:
equal harass opportunities there. 1 protoss unit gets 6 worker kills and gets away. small terran army gets 3 probe kills and dies to 1 spell. Protoss attacked an undefended location with a flying unit designed to harass. Terran attacked into a defended location with ground units not designed to harass. wrong. terran was prepared with 2 turrets and marines. too bad oracles can get free kills anyway because it zips around like lighting. i didn't know that probes + MSC = defended location. Remember when David Kim thought oracle speed buff would make them more interesting and less of a gimmick. Yeah lol. Remember when he created a unit that could blind and pull tanks ? Good times.
And warhounds lol :D
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On June 18 2014 19:38 SC2BF3Love wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. and people still think taeja is bonwja lol he just keep playing this tournaments with low rank international players.
Well tbh also winning a long term tournament like WCS or GSL is TOTALLY diff from winning a weekend tourney like dh or iem.
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On June 18 2014 19:39 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:37 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero? 4-0 HerO, 4-0 MC, 1-3 sOs, 2-3 Dear, 2-1 sOs, 1-3 Dear, 2-0 sOs, 3-0 Rain, 3-1 San, 0-1 Dear, 0-1 Rain and 1-0 herO. That's his record against imo stronger protoss opponents for the last ~year. For sure it's nothing to scoff at, certainly code s level. I'm fairly certain most code A dropout level terrans (Flash, Fantasy, Keen, Bbyong, Cure etc) has better vP records than that
Prove it?
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On June 18 2014 19:39 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:37 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero? 4-0 HerO, 4-0 MC, 1-3 sOs, 2-3 Dear, 2-1 sOs, 1-3 Dear, 2-0 sOs, 3-0 Rain, 3-1 San, 0-1 Dear, 0-1 Rain and 1-0 herO. That's his record against imo stronger protoss opponents for the last ~year. For sure it's nothing to scoff at, certainly code s level. I'm fairly certain most code A dropout level terrans (Flash, Fantasy, Keen, Bbyong, Cure etc) has better vP records than that
Then post it instead ?
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On June 18 2014 19:26 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. This!
Pretty much agreed. However good taeja might be it is better to compare their performances based on the quality of their opponents. Since winning the OSL last year Maru has always made top 8 against guys who no one can deny are THE best. Whosoever's been the best protoss at the time Maru has beaten him or been equal with be it Dear, Zest or maybe now even Classic. That kind of consistency in the GSL is beyond what we have seen from anyone except Soulkey. Would anyone disagree that if Maru went out for each of these fun weekend tourneys he would hands down kick ass just like taeja?
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On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map.
Probably. It's a shame we don't get to see them play in nearly as many tournaments as we do Taeja.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map.
Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period.
That said, this discussion should probably stop now.
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On June 18 2014 19:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. Korean Protoss like who? Hero? He 4-0'd MC at homestory...
He is a korean and a protoss player but he is nowhere near the top.
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this thread is suddenly so awful, make it stop.
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These gomtv breaks wouldn't be so bad if they didn't play the same damn songs every time -__-
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On June 18 2014 19:41 Dodgin wrote:
this thread is suddenly so awful, make it stop.
Dont worry games starting again soon
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On June 18 2014 19:42 Penguinator wrote:
These gomtv breaks wouldn't be so bad if they didn't play the same damn songs every time -__-
Zoo Zoo bubbles needs to come back.
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With all that said, neither Maru or Taeja is even close to the level of TvP that jjakji keeps on displaying. World's best TvP 100% for sure.
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Australia18228 Posts
Neither Maru nor TaeJa has won a series against kingkongjwa.
iaguz is the best Terran in the world
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On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now.
Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today?
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On June 18 2014 19:38 SC2BF3Love wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. and people still think taeja is bonwja lol he just keep playing this tournaments with low rank international players.
TaeJa is no doubt really good player but tbh the players he face are way easier than kespa protoss players. MC is decent but compared to players like Classic, sOs, Rain, Zest etc he is just mediocre protoss. TaeJa would be good enough to win any of the players I feel but he wouldn't be dominant and I would favour KR region protoss players over him, like against any other terran besides Maru because I'm Maru biased.
Maru's decision making is off, that's correct but usually he wins his games with brute force even though he choose bad fights and builds (He has become way better with his decisions and builds after he joined JinAir tho)
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On June 18 2014 19:42 DJHelium wrote:
With all that said, neither Maru or Taeja is even close to the level of TvP that jjakji keeps on displaying. World's best TvP 100% for sure.
Too bad he faced the nr1 world PvT at DH ;p
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JYP was there and poked him like 100 times, doesn't count.
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On June 18 2014 19:43 Darrkhan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:38 SC2BF3Love wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. and people still think taeja is bonwja lol he just keep playing this tournaments with low rank international players. TaeJa is no doubt really good player but tbh the players he face are way easier than kespa protoss players. MC is decent but compared to players like Classic, sOs, Rain, Zest etc he is just mediocre protoss. TaeJa would be good enough to win any of the players I feel but he wouldn't be dominant and I would favour KR region protoss players over him, like against any other terran besides Maru because I'm Maru biased. Maru's decision making is off, that's correct but usually he wins his games with brute force even though he choose bad fights and builds (He has become way better with his decisions and builds after he joined JinAir tho)
Maru doesn't have a good record agaisnt top Kespa protosses. Check Aligulac.
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On June 18 2014 19:42 DJHelium wrote:
With all that said, neither Maru or Taeja is even close to the level of TvP that jjakji keeps on displaying. World's best TvP 100% for sure.
mana 2-0'd jjakji.
i think jjakji's tvp is overrated, he hasn't consistently crushed faces in the match up like others have.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 18 2014 18:16 Lorning wrote:Proxy reaper on Alterzim, 2 rax on Overgrowth
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Why Maru has to be so unlucky.
Frost -> cross spawns
Alterzim -> same
Waystation -> longer spawn
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Proxy on Altrezim. Hilarious how common this is becoming lol.
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Could anyone lr please for the poor guys lying on the beach in zanzibar?
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MKP curse, always proxy when it's hard.
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On June 18 2014 19:41 Dodgin wrote:
this thread is suddenly so awful, make it stop.
It's the damn break. Game is starting though. And, yes, give me that cheese, Maru!
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i think the discussion is really interesting now after DH as long it is doesn't turn into shitstroming
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Norway25712 Posts
Good morning friends
how much is Maru crushing?
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On June 18 2014 18:16 Lorning wrote:Proxy reaper on Alterzim, 2 rax on Overgrowth
Half right!
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On June 18 2014 19:45 KristofferAG wrote:
Good morning friends
how much is Maru crushing?
Tie series.
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come back to expecting to see proxy rax. Not disappointed
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On June 18 2014 19:45 KristofferAG wrote:
Good morning friends
how much is Maru crushing?
about 50% so far
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On June 18 2014 19:40 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Probably. It's a shame we don't get to see them play in nearly as many tournaments as we do Taeja.
TY went to Dreamhack Bucharest and got knocked out by MC in the Ro16 (who then promptly got knocked out by Impact  ).
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lol dat penis looking marine
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On June 18 2014 19:45 Disarmed wrote:
i think the discussion is really interesting now after DH as long it is doesn't turn into shitstroming
It did though
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Well that's one way to mitigate getting cross pos on Alterzim
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On June 18 2014 19:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. That was what, Blizzcon 2013? Not just Taeja but all these 'weak' players like Bomber and Jaedong did pretty fucking well vs the best the Kr region had to offer last time round. Tbh the WCS system this year sucks without the season finals for this reason IMO, plus weighted things way too heavily to foreign events. I mean HerO's been on a monster slump and can conceivably make Blizzcon, something is wrong with that IMO and I use him as an example because I'm a huge fanboy and still think it's BS
That's IEM world championship and ROG.
Jaedong has done pretty well last WCS season, but he's been the exception. Overall, AM and EU got pretty much creamed every finals event, the level just isn't there in EU/AM. MC doing so well in EU pretty much proves that.
And yes, the WCS system is the ultimate suck and blizzcon will be a total disappointment.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today?
Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o
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On June 18 2014 19:45 KristofferAG wrote:
Good morning friends
how much is Maru crushing?
Cuantitatively speaking, only 0.5 Taejas
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Australia18228 Posts
1 probe for 2 reapers
worth
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Shut ! Down !
Classic going for stargate. Like both game he lost so far, right ?
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Gogo Classic, deny that cheese!
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On June 18 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:22 ptbl wrote:
People keep saying that maru is the best terran in the world, but I think Taeja is better. Maybe classic is way better than any of the players taeja has faced...Maru army positioning and decision making seems to be a weakness. Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces. Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL. There's a reason he doesn't. Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today? Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o
So was I. Dude showed major cajones dealing with what he dealt with today without complaining about it.
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lol phoenix again, he's gonna lose
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On June 18 2014 19:49 therabit wrote:
lol phoenix again, he's gonna lose
Much better map for it tbh.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:48 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces.
Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL.
There's a reason he doesn't.
Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today? Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o So was I. Dude showed major cajones dealing with what he dealt with today without complaining about it.
what happened?
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Damn. Everything Maru has tried has gotten completely stomped.
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On June 18 2014 19:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:
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Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent.
I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today? Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o So was I. Dude showed major cajones dealing with what he dealt with today without complaining about it. what happened?
A gangbang. But he resisted until the very end to swallow it.
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I can't believe I'm missing this for the worst job I've ever had.
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Okay Classic if you can't make phoenix colossus work with this much of an advantage... please please please stop doing it the rest of the series.
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Maru needs to make something happen
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Norway25712 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:45 KristofferAG wrote:
Good morning friends
how much is Maru crushing? Tie series.
That's close enough to winning a series.
This game doesn't look very good for him tho
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On June 18 2014 19:52 Logros wrote:
Maru needs to make something happen
Thinking about next game's cheese
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Maru looks behind for some reason.
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Can somebody live report?
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 19:48 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:On June 18 2014 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Taeja doesn't play any competition anywhere near what Maru faces.
Taeja is a top level Terran, but he'd get fucking WRECKED if he played in the GSL.
There's a reason he doesn't.
Taeja hasn't won a single season of WCS America. That says all you ever need to know about how good Taeja actually is vs competitive competition. Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent. I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today? Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o So was I. Dude showed major cajones dealing with what he dealt with today without complaining about it.
What have I missed?
Also now this IS a map to go Phoenix/Collosus on
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On June 18 2014 19:53 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 19:39 Crot4le wrote:On June 18 2014 19:36 Derez wrote:On June 18 2014 19:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2014 19:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:26 DJHelium wrote:
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Taeja was one of the strongest Code S players before WCS system. Very consistent.
I think he would still be a code S regular if he stayed in korea, probably ro8 or better material. It's easy to look as though you're in top form when you're against inferior opponents. Taeja hasn't played anything like what Maru faces in KESPA Code S Protoss players. Taeja isn't up to that level. When it comes down to play at Blizzcon Taeja will prove this. He isn't up to this level, not even close. He wins because he plays in a lot of tournaments, not because those tournaments have competition that are up to his level. Such a crock of shit, disregarding his dismantling of Korean Protoss players on numerous occasions in the recent past and he looks in close to his best shape ever of late. As far as I'm aware he hasn't beaten a WCS KR protoss this year. He played sOs and Dear and lost both times according to aligulac. Taeja is entirely outside of the 'real' competition and just farms tournaments with poor attendance, 'best of the rest' kind of thing. Let's be honest though. As comparatively weaker the competition is, even Maru/TY/Bbyong/Flash would be proud of winning a tournament without dropping a SINGLE map. Of course. No one is debating that Taeja is really good (at least I don't think so), but I too question the validity of calling him the best in the world, period. That said, this discussion should probably stop now. Out of curiosity Zealously. Did you join the Puck fan club because of today? Yes! I was really impressed by Puck's play :o So was I. Dude showed major cajones dealing with what he dealt with today without complaining about it. What have I missed? Also now this IS a map to go Phoenix/Collosus on
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Red_Bull_Battle_Grounds:_North_America
Format calls for people to challenge who they want to play.
Long story short, everyone ganged up on Puck and he put up a hell of a fight before falling.
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So many phoenixes... Curious to see how that will play out
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I think Maru is just going to die here.
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Is that too many Phoenixes? Haha, maybe not.
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Phoenixes owning marines what is happening lol
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Phoenix colossus, good old 2011.
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This map is pretty stupid for T when cross spawns.
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 5?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 16% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (11) 30% ★★★- Good game (4) 11% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (5) 14% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (11) 30% 37 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 5? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Beautiful game by Classic, one more! Maru have to bring out some sick cheese here.
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There's a counter to small to medium group of marines. Mass phoenixes!
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Phoenix/Colossus, now that was interesting!
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COME ON MARU 2 IN A ROW YOU CAN DO IT!!!!! ♥
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this game had nothing to do with phoenix, Maru was just way too far behind after his failed 2 reapers into 1 probe kill.
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Phoenixes really do the job when you micro well, waow.
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Canada8157 Posts
God damn another zvp finals would be lame, let's go Maru
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sigh... Maru...
(i missed some of the midgame>..<; what happened??)
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I have to say I enjoyed all those engagements. Classic was on top all game long.
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Maru might of actually won that if not for those FFs.
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yay Classic, one more win~ just defend the 2 raxes
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I WANT TO SEE BEAUTIFUL STORMS CLASSIC
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On June 18 2014 19:53 Incognoto wrote:
Maru looks behind for some reason.
Yeah I was right. This map isn't T favored or something, I dunno. Just didn't feel this game.
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one döner that maru will cheese now
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So much terran tears in this thread haha
Good game by Classic !
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If there's one thing Classic is going to be scouting for the next 2 games its cheese, so I don't see that working.
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On June 18 2014 19:56 SoulCapsule wrote:
this game had nothing to do with phoenix, Maru was just way too far behind after his failed 2 reapers into 1 probe kill.
Nothing to do with phoenix
Classic has like 20 phoenix
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I'm just hoping Classic wins and then soO advances and then gets 2nd place with Classic winning so we get yet another new Protoss champ
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Why did maru even venture out there? He should had waited until he was maxed out instead he donated half his army in the retreat.
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On June 18 2014 19:56 TW wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAA MOVVVVVVEEEEEEE
SURE.
Disregard all the skill he's portraying etc. It's all a move because protoss lelel.
Please open your eyes and look. He's playing really well. Idiot.
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On June 18 2014 19:57 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm just hoping Classic wins and then soO advances and then gets 2nd place with Classic winning so we get yet another new Protoss champ
poor soO. no one has faith in him.
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Classic is rather boring while Maru entertains. But there was no way to win that game after such a bad beginning.
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On June 18 2014 19:57 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:56 SoulCapsule wrote:
this game had nothing to do with phoenix, Maru was just way too far behind after his failed 2 reapers into 1 probe kill. Nothing to do with phoenix Classic has like 20 phoenix
what i mean is that Classic coulda gone anything to simply a-click and win the game.
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This gsl is pretty underwhelming.
I don't see classic and true being the best player of their respective race to be honest.
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On June 18 2014 19:58 Eury wrote:
Why did maru even venture out there? He should had waited until he was maxed out instead he donated half his army in the retreat.
I thought P late-game was better than T late-game.
I want Maru to win btw.
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Man, everything just went poorly for Maru that game, double failed scout was probably the whole game.
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On June 18 2014 19:58 Wintex wrote:SURE. Disregard all the skill he's portraying etc. It's all a move because protoss lelel. Please open your eyes and look. He's playing really well. Idiot.
Yeah lol, he should try a-moving a mainly phoenix army and see how it goes... Also those FF at Maru's third were clutch.
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On June 18 2014 19:59 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:58 Eury wrote:
Why did maru even venture out there? He should had waited until he was maxed out instead he donated half his army in the retreat. I thought P late-game was better than T late-game.
Super late that's not the case.
(don't pay attention to the fact that it takes like 30 min to transition to this part, but yeah'
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On June 18 2014 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:57 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm just hoping Classic wins and then soO advances and then gets 2nd place with Classic winning so we get yet another new Protoss champ poor soO. no one has faith in him.
well he's lost twice in a row...
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Phoenix require babysitting and continually accurate clicking to even attack anything on the ground, Maru fails with a proxy to do anything = a move comments after.
That said, Alterzim Cross is pretty much BS for TvP : P
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On June 18 2014 19:59 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:57 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm just hoping Classic wins and then soO advances and then gets 2nd place with Classic winning so we get yet another new Protoss champ poor soO. no one has faith in him. well he's lost twice in a row...
I didn't say they didn't have reason to lose faith.... lol.
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These casters don't like any good food lol
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On June 18 2014 20:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
These casters don't like any good food lol
americans man..
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On June 18 2014 20:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
These casters don't like any good food lol
ikr oatmeal raisin is the best cookie
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On June 18 2014 19:59 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 18 2014 19:57 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm just hoping Classic wins and then soO advances and then gets 2nd place with Classic winning so we get yet another new Protoss champ poor soO. no one has faith in him. well he's lost twice in a row...
To a protoss.
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Was making coffee, did Maru go CC first again?
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On June 18 2014 19:59 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 19:59 Incognoto wrote:On June 18 2014 19:58 Eury wrote:
Why did maru even venture out there? He should had waited until he was maxed out instead he donated half his army in the retreat. I thought P late-game was better than T late-game. Super late that's not the case. (don't pay attention to the fact that it takes like 30 min to transition to this part, but yeah'
What do you call super late?
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By the way where is Artosis?
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On June 18 2014 20:03 Incognoto wrote:
By the way where is Artosis?
On his way home from DH
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On June 18 2014 20:03 Incognoto wrote:
By the way where is Artosis?
was at dreamhack, just came back probably
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Maru pls if he goes out I'm done with gsl
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On June 18 2014 20:03 Incognoto wrote:
By the way where is Artosis?
Recovering from Dreamhack most likely.
They've been swapping in Wolf all season though.
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Damn. 10 SCVs in that. He lost like 2 stalkers for it.
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Can Maru dance the safety dance vs the blinks???
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Ahh.. Not like this please
Edit: phew
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Norway25712 Posts
Such an ez hold for Maru so far.
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wow scv repair powerrrrr. 300hp in 1 second
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that is a diamond level supply block
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Hmm Maru could not pick up because of blink of course
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maru's engagements are just not that good today =/
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
maru make a viking pls :x
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Classic is toying around with Maru :D So sick harass.
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This warpprism >
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Noooo stop it Classic, i wanna see a TvZ finals in the GSL for once
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Can Maru make like 1 viking vs the warp prism.. ah finally
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Only 3 collosus and the Robotics is dead.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
upgrades could get pretty tricky
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wow Maru how do you control 2 armies at once o_O
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Both of them handled that so well.
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On June 18 2014 20:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
wow Maru how do you control 2 armies at once o_O
Ask Polt, he controls 3 armies at once.
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
That got tense. Classic is lucky to escape.
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I don't think this can be beaten without ghosts.
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On June 18 2014 20:12 riyanme wrote:
who is winning?
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On June 18 2014 20:13 BlueStar wrote:
Classic
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Those archons just do not die
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Those looked like broodwar archons
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Outplayed, Maru. Terran is deeeaaaaaad.
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OHHH NOOOO! WP by classic though. Def deserved that one.
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Canada16217 Posts
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Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 6?★- Do not see this game no matter what (12) 33% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 8% ★★★- Good game (6) 17% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (9) 25% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (6) 17% 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 6? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 7?★- Do not see this game no matter what (16) 64% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 12% ★★★- Good game (2) 8% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 12% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 4% 25 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maru vs Classic Game 7? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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LoL A moves into the concaive still wins without problems.
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Classic so good, so happy to see him in the finals
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enjoy your zvp final guys
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CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
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boooooooooooooolshit
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protossed
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Maru didn't play too well. Way too late third bases.
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Taeja would of 4-0'd that shit
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GG what a series by classic
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Classic to beat soO, Classic next best protoss.
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
Classicccccc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On June 18 2014 20:13 BlueStar wrote:
Toss
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CCCCLASSSSSSSICCCCCCCCC, yes yes yes, SKT wins!!
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Australia54784 Posts
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Fuck. Only soO left to root for now.
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Terran hope gone. GSL over. Code S hype lost. The crowd is silent.
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Let's all pretend this was the end of the season.
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Denmark10305 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:14 liberate71 wrote:
Taeja would of 4-0'd that shit
or get 0-4'ed
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One thing I know for sure, I wont be watching another ZvP final.
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bleh
Can't blame Classic for playing well though.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
I haven't watched GSL live in a long time, was amped about maru :/
ZzzZZZZzz
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On June 18 2014 20:14 liberate71 wrote:
Taeja would of 4-0'd that shit
Like a bause.
He's been hardened in the fires of EU xD
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Classic doesn't even need storm to beat Maru.
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The warpprism rekt him. He shoud've gotten a viking after his 4th medivac asap
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:14 liberate71 wrote:
Taeja would of 4-0'd that shit
You mean Taejwa?
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So nice games, these last 2 games were just complete dominance.
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g.g. chintoss!!
Congrats man.
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On June 18 2014 20:14 liberate71 wrote:
Taeja would of 4-0'd that shit
Share the moonshine bro!
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all T1 final inc. The gold cannot slip from oov anymoar
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Why is everyone so upset? The better player won, its really that simple. Nobody to blame but Maru himself. GGs.
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Fucking hell, now I'm not sure I'm interested in watching the series finals at all
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lol....maru at heart...classic in head....and still picked maru in liquibet but awesome series!
well played from both of `em
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On June 18 2014 20:14 Foreverkul wrote:Terran hope gone. GSL over. Code S hype lost. The crowd is silent.
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I'm really sad for Maru right now. Classic played well, sure, but we needed that Terran presence in a GSL finals.
... I'd love the next balance test map to consider a time warp removal.
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so when does next season start, because this one is over
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Was good to hear tasteless at least.
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Maru blew that last game completely. That delayed Armory, those delayed upgrades, were far too much of a disadvantage.
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Classic : Maru 4:2
hero : Flash 4:2
Zest : Bbyong 4:1
There was no hope from the beginning
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Halfway to an all skt finals! On the bright side. But I wanted a terran in there. Gg's though!
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
was like 6-0 or 5-1 classic really. 2 bad mistakes costing him won games
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final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing....
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Russian Federation66 Posts
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Didn't even get a mech attempt >.>
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On June 18 2014 20:15 VavPK wrote:
Why is everyone so upset? The better player won, its really that simple. Nobody to blame but Maru himself. GGs.
Because I actually like Maru and I'm a fan of him. Classic definitely played well, doesn't mean I'm not entitled to be unhappy that the player I was rooting for lost.
so bleh
bleh protoss
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great series. Congratz to classic who definitly deserved this.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly.
flash should have taken the hint
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:16 jekku wrote:
Halfway to an all skt finals! On the bright side. But I wanted a terran in there. Gg's though!
Classic is a terran.
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On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing....
can you really justify renting a finals venue these days?
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cool that they're promoing WCS America
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it's back to reality people, this is what happens when a good Toss plays, not like Taeja vs Hero
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Why did Maru have to lose ;;
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toss does blink and wins..what else is new..
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On June 18 2014 20:17 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... can you really justify renting a finals venue these days?
Especially for PvZ/PvP
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:17 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... can you really justify renting a finals venue these days?
especially after they lost all their VOD subscribers
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On June 18 2014 20:16 oneofthem wrote:
was like 6-0 or 5-1 classic really. 2 bad mistakes costing him won games
def should have been 4-1 at least
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Maru it's because you gave up on mech! Hahahaha that's what you get!
T^T
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On June 18 2014 20:17 styleworks79 wrote:
toss does blink and wins..what else is new..
lol how did he win with that blink.
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Classic is as good as anyone in the world at PvT, it's not exactly a surprise to see him win.
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:16 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. flash should have taken the hint
Yeah definitely. However, I believe everyone should play toss. xD
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On June 18 2014 20:17 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 oneofthem wrote:
was like 6-0 or 5-1 classic really. 2 bad mistakes costing him won games def should have been 4-1 at least
Maru botched a won game too on Waystation by afk'ing his vikings
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Belgica34432 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing....
The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead
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Anyone else notice how silent the crowd was when Maru lost?
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PvZ again... can soO lose a third one in a row
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On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead
the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore.
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On June 18 2014 20:17 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:17 styleworks79 wrote:
toss does blink and wins..what else is new.. lol how did he win with that blink.
5 gate blink and transitions out lmao.. if T did 5 rax to start out, there is no turning back cuz there cant be no transition
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On June 18 2014 20:18 Foreverkul wrote:
Anyone else notice how silent the crowd was when Maru lost?
I was screaming so loud I didn't notice.
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The old "OF ALL TIME" phrase again
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I feel like Protoss can secure their third so easily, more easily than Terran can. This leads to Protoss just having more shit. Throughout the series Classic just got his third up first and had more shit.
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On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead
noone gives a fuck about zvp or pvp... that's why
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
Prepare yourself guys.
Classic ----insert phrase here---- in the world.
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On June 18 2014 20:18 imrusty269 wrote:
Polt > Classic > Maru
Taeja > HerO >
>__>
Taeja is a bonjwa champ of the world.
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On June 18 2014 20:19 styleworks79 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:17 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:17 styleworks79 wrote:
toss does blink and wins..what else is new.. lol how did he win with that blink. 5 gate blink and transitions out lmao.. if T did 5 rax to start out, there is no turning back cuz there cant be no transition
So... there IS a transition, or there isnt?
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:17 Morphage wrote:
it's back to reality people, this is what happens when a good Toss plays, not like Taeja vs Hero
Why bash HerO for no reason ffs?
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On June 18 2014 20:19 styleworks79 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:17 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:17 styleworks79 wrote:
toss does blink and wins..what else is new.. lol how did he win with that blink. 5 gate blink and transitions out lmao.. if T did 5 rax to start out, there is no turning back cuz there cant be no transition
wow you just proved that Protoss is imba. If T goes 5 rax, there is no transition. Also if Zerg goes 5 hatch zergling there is no transition. 5 gate blink pressure is confirmed broken.
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United States1770 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly.
I wouldn't say 'since' .... isn't this his first finals?
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On June 18 2014 20:19 BisuDagger wrote:
Prepare yourself guys.
Classic ----insert phrase here---- in the world.
Well Classic is next line to be the new best protoss in the world.
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On June 18 2014 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
I feel like Protoss can secure their third so easily, more easily than Terran can. This leads to Protoss just having more shit. Throughout the series Classic just got his third up first and had more shit.
That isn't always the case though. Maru was electing to go 2 base heavy builds, and it did win him some games, but not others.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
I feel like Protoss can secure their third so easily, more easily than Terran can. This leads to Protoss just having more shit. Throughout the series Classic just got his third up first and had more shit.
this is simply in no way true
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On June 18 2014 20:17 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 jekku wrote:
Halfway to an all skt finals! On the bright side. But I wanted a terran in there. Gg's though! Classic is a terran.
Traitor switched to toss though! BETRAYAL CAN NEVER BE FORGIVEN!
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On June 18 2014 20:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:17 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... can you really justify renting a finals venue these days? especially after they lost all their VOD subscribers
Who knew people weren't willing to pay for twitch's quality system.
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On June 18 2014 20:20 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. I wouldn't say 'since' .... isn't this his first finals?
he's been very good in PL though.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:19 Incognoto wrote:
I feel like Protoss can secure their third so easily, more easily than Terran can. This leads to Protoss just having more shit. Throughout the series Classic just got his third up first and had more shit. this is simply in no way true
Like most salty comments we're getting atm unfortunately
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Easy for Classic, money for me $$
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On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly.
oh yeah, i wonder what happened! oh jk, i know what happened lol
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On June 18 2014 20:18 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore.
I virtually stopped watching entirely when they moved to Twitch. And I didn't sub even though I used to have the old premium one. I much preferred the old system. :-\
Not to mention the relative lack of GSLs these days because of WCS.
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On June 18 2014 20:21 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:17 BisuDagger wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 jekku wrote:
Halfway to an all skt finals! On the bright side. But I wanted a terran in there. Gg's though! Classic is a terran. Traitor switched to toss though! BETRAYAL CAN NEVER BE FORGIVEN!
Hello templar
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On June 18 2014 20:20 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. I wouldn't say 'since' .... isn't this his first finals?
I dunno, when he was playing Terran he didn't even show up on my radar. Then he switched to Protoss and became one of the best Protoss players in Proleague...
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On June 18 2014 20:22 Kitaen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. oh yeah, i wonder what happened! oh jk, i know what happened lol
Classic was a legit BW terran, so if you're inferring he was not fast enough to play SC2-Terran, load up broodwar and try to play BW Terran.
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:20 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. I wouldn't say 'since' .... isn't this his first finals?
Compared to his mediocre play before switching. Classic has played damn good since. And in no time worked his way to a gsl finals. So yes since, and I'm damn proud of him.
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On June 18 2014 20:22 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:18 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore. I virtually stopped watching entirely when they moved to Twitch. And I didn't sub even though I used to have the old premium one. I much preferred the old system. :-\ Not to mention the relative lack of GSLs these days because of WCS.
Yeah the twitch move killed it for me as well. I used to be a constant sub, since the twitch move gomtv has not seen a single penny from me.
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On June 18 2014 20:20 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. I wouldn't say 'since' .... isn't this his first finals?
it's pretty hard to make the finals. he's been a consistently top tier player since he switched. and it was pretty much immediate.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:24 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:22 -Celestial- wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore. I virtually stopped watching entirely when they moved to Twitch. And I didn't sub even though I used to have the old premium one. I much preferred the old system. :-\ Not to mention the relative lack of GSLs these days because of WCS. Yeah the twitch move killed it for me as well. I used to be a constant sub, since the twitch move gomtv has not seen a single penny from me.
Pretty sure this is the case for most of their subscribers. Real shoot-self-in-foot decision :/
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Italy12246 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:24 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:22 -Celestial- wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore. I virtually stopped watching entirely when they moved to Twitch. And I didn't sub even though I used to have the old premium one. I much preferred the old system. :-\ Not to mention the relative lack of GSLs these days because of WCS. Yeah the twitch move killed it for me as well. I used to be a constant sub, since the twitch move gomtv has not seen a single penny from me.
Yep same. I also tend to avoid twitch vods when writing articles because the system is that awful.
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:24 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:22 -Celestial- wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 robson1 wrote:On June 18 2014 20:18 Lorning wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 GTR wrote:
final going to be at the gangnam studio again? that's depressing.... The show up for Code S is really low this year. Seems like everyone is going to PL instead the straem numbers are not that good either. and they basically killed the VoD system so nobody pays for Vods anymore. I virtually stopped watching entirely when they moved to Twitch. And I didn't sub even though I used to have the old premium one. I much preferred the old system. :-\ Not to mention the relative lack of GSLs these days because of WCS. Yeah the twitch move killed it for me as well. I used to be a constant sub, since the twitch move gomtv has not seen a single penny from me. Pretty sure this is the case for most of their subscribers. Real shoot-self-in-foot decision :/
they were forced to because of wcs releasing their vods for free afaik
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Wow, has anyone looked at GSL 2014 Season 3 yest? Only 4 confirmed Terran of 32 slots taken so far u_u
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Good rest of the tournament guys, I'm out. So tired of this
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On June 18 2014 20:26 Foreverkul wrote:
Wow, has anyone looked at GSL 2014 Season 3 yest? Only 4 confirmed Terran of 32 slots taken so far u_u
2 more than last season, no?
yay terran buffs.
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
Damn that power of Protoss, Classic switches and well over a YEAR later makes a GSL Final, totally happened overnight like...
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Canada16217 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:26 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:26 Foreverkul wrote:
Wow, has anyone looked at GSL 2014 Season 3 yest? Only 4 confirmed Terran of 32 slots taken so far u_u 2 more than last season, no? yay terran buffs.
that's for code a and code s
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Noooo Maru!!!!!
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im afraid that if true wins his match... this finals will be the least watched gsl finals ever...
highly expecting a less crowd and no show fans...
and to cap it all, maybe another round 2 on that studio again...
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On June 18 2014 20:23 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:22 Kitaen wrote:On June 18 2014 20:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Classic in finals is sick. Since he switched to protoss he's become godly. oh yeah, i wonder what happened! oh jk, i know what happened lol Classic was a legit BW terran, so if you're inferring he was not fast enough to play SC2-Terran, load up broodwar and try to play BW Terran.
i'm not referring to his speed.
User was warned for this post
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On June 18 2014 20:27 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:26 Lunareste wrote:On June 18 2014 20:26 Foreverkul wrote:
Wow, has anyone looked at GSL 2014 Season 3 yest? Only 4 confirmed Terran of 32 slots taken so far u_u 2 more than last season, no? yay terran buffs. that's for code a and code s
which is natural, because that's exactly the Terrans qualifying through this season's Code S, no?
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some of the Terran numbers are skewed just because of the other regions. Taeja, Polt, and Bomber would be regulars in Code S, whereas really only San and Jaedong are that level from the other races (and of course JD randomly loses to just about anyone).
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Really happy to see Classic beating Maru. Not surprised neither, Classic is just a beast.
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Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
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On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
if blue was red, would it still be blue!??!??
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
very likely not. what of it?
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
Would Bisu have done better with Terran? Almost certainly IMO
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On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
do you want an honest answer, or an answer that does get me warned again for implying something a mod could interpret wrong?
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On June 18 2014 20:35 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? if blue was red, would it still be blue!??!??
Is blue maybe red for someone else?
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Well played Classic. Deserved win, you def were the better player this series.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now?
Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player?
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On June 18 2014 20:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:35 negativedge wrote:On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? if blue was red, would it still be blue!??!?? Is blue maybe red for someone else?
The_Blue_Viper
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On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player?
If Zealously wouldn't like Life, would he like RorO instead?
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On June 18 2014 20:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player? If Zealously wouldn't like Life, would he like RorO instead?
He would like the player Life instead, dude
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player? If Zealously wouldn't like Life, would he like RorO instead?
no
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On June 18 2014 20:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player? If Zealously wouldn't like Life, would he like RorO instead? no
I always thought you don't like him cause of the match against Life :D
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Wanted Maru to win that one. I guess soO finally winning a GSL is also a pretty good story though.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:41 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 20:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player? If Zealously wouldn't like Life, would he like RorO instead? no I always thought you don't like him cause of the match against Life :D
That match started it, but I've found him pretty infuriating overall, both in terms of playstyle and players he has eliminated from tournaments. He eliminated Flying in WCS Season 1 for example, possibly causing his retirement
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Canada8157 Posts
Damnit at least we have polt and TaeJa left
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On June 18 2014 20:16 Circumstance wrote:
Maru blew that last game completely. That delayed Armory, those delayed upgrades, were far too much of a disadvantage.
I agree. His play was quite messy today.
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On June 18 2014 20:58 syroz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:16 Circumstance wrote:
Maru blew that last game completely. That delayed Armory, those delayed upgrades, were far too much of a disadvantage. I agree. His play was quite messy today.
Yeah.. The casters said he might have been sick/ was sick yesterday so that's maybe why
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Northern Ireland25353 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Wanted Maru to win that one. I guess soO finally winning a GSL is also a pretty good story though.
For those who are so inclined, narratively I actually think that would be THE story of this GSL really. Next up is Flash getting to the business end
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Maru was just recovered from sickness and an ongoing wrist pain, part of the reason he wasn't as good in Proleague and today's series i think. I agree he was a bit sloppy this time. Throwing away part of units from force field in early game 1 twice was not his usual play. Didn't save the reapers, all these are not the mistakes he usually make.
Not to take anything away from Classic though, i think he prepared really well againts this matchup, Opting to go for phoenix turned out to be really good.
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Haven't watched a single gsl finals this year and don't plan to start now.
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its incredible to think about that maru has reached the playoffs 4 times in a row.
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old kespa won. I'm happy.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 21:29 johnbongham wrote:
Haven't watched a single gsl finals this year and don't plan to start now.
Thanks for letting us know
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Only in game 1 of this series so far, but wow, I'm so impressed with Classic
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On June 18 2014 20:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 20:34 TheOne26 wrote:
Here is the big question: If classic stuck with terran, would he be in the finals of a GSL right now? Probably not. If Maru hasn't picked Terran, would he have been a good player?
Probably.
Edit: Not sure about a GSL-winning one, obviously.
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Only caught the last two games but from what I watched the better player won. I wished our Terran hope would have advanced but Classic just looked on a whole other level.
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Ughghghhhhh Maru, cmon son.
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so now we just need a TaeJa vs Classic showmatch to determine everything right?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 18 2014 20:56 SatedSC2 wrote:
Aligulac on the case!
:D
So was KingKong. Next question.
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The better question is, if Classic was on a team other than SKT would he still be in the finals?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Much more importantly than that, Classic has joined Rain's shit list for disproving Terran is BL/infestors though.
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On June 18 2014 22:15 stuchiu wrote:
Much more importantly than that, Classic has joined Rain's shit list for disproving Terran is BL/infestors though.
Everyone knew Rain was talking out of his ass.
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On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question.
lol. Its funny that he is often the highest ranked zerg by beating almost exclusively Australian zergs. He actually makes top 5 zerg historically.
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God damnit Maru.. TT
Oh well Classic in the finals is pretty cool too. Cheering for Classic now I guess!
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I feel so dumb. I said before match several times that Classic will win. Still I made bet (after reading TL Preview) that Maru wins. Even after making that bet I said Classic will win. I feel so fucking dumb right now.
Thank you TL team again predicting wrong. I should have trusted myself after predicting B C D ro16 WCS EU groups right.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 22:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I feel so dumb. I said before match several times that Classic will win. Still I made bet (after reading TL Preview) that Maru wins. Even after making that bet I said Classic will win. I feel so fucking dumb right now.
Thank you TL team again predicting wrong. I should have trusted myself after predicting B C D ro16 WCS EU groups right.
But did you predict Innovation < Naniwa?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious...
I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset.
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I really like Classic
but no more Maruuuu/Terrrraaaannn ;;
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On June 18 2014 22:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 22:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I feel so dumb. I said before match several times that Classic will win. Still I made bet (after reading TL Preview) that Maru wins. Even after making that bet I said Classic will win. I feel so fucking dumb right now.
Thank you TL team again predicting wrong. I should have trusted myself after predicting B C D ro16 WCS EU groups right. But did you predict Innovation < Naniwa?
No, becoz I don't even remember match like that.
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Statiscally every zerg was favored against terran on 2012. And i am not saying the game is unbalanced, just pointing out the stupidity in that tweet.
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On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset.
Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win.
For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall.
I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information.
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On June 18 2014 23:23 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset. Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win. For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall. I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information.
It is a good indicator as long as you compare two players who play in the same region.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
It's ok. I don't take it for a god or anything. As long as you keep in mind what it does and how it does it, it's fine. The biggest problem is the users rather than the database. A lot of people just use aligulac as the truth without really thinking it through.
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your Country52797 Posts
I knew Classic had won when I saw 4 new bans, 3 of which were balance whining.
Spoilers!!
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soo wins the whole thing anyway. no whining needed!
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if protoss wins 3 GSLs in a row then the only person to blame is soo
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gg audience for the finals
at least it's not PvP, though?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 18 2014 23:23 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset. Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win. For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall. I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information.
Aligulac gets predictions right more often than not. Not near 100% accuracy, naturally, but I think it's a better predictor than most would-be experts on TL and Reddit.
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On June 19 2014 00:13 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 23:23 Stress wrote:On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset. Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win. For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall. I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information. Aligulac gets predictions right more often than not. Not near 100% accuracy, naturally, but I think it's a better predictor than most would-be experts on TL and Reddit.
Do you know/have a percentage of how accurate it is? It would also be interesting to see how accurate it is for players in the same region (like Proleague) versus players from several regions (such as a travel event like MLG/DH).
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Aligulac as it is, is a GIANT base of matches. With some clusterization algorithms and a touch of machine learning, vast data could be turned into great predictors. You also need skilled people, that's borderline PhD material right there.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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On June 19 2014 00:29 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 00:13 Zealously wrote:On June 18 2014 23:23 Stress wrote:On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset. Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win. For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall. I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information. Aligulac gets predictions right more often than not. Not near 100% accuracy, naturally, but I think it's a better predictor than most would-be experts on TL and Reddit. Do you know/have a percentage of how accurate it is? It would also be interesting to see how accurate it is for players in the same region (like Proleague) versus players from several regions (such as a travel event like MLG/DH).
That's interesting. How many times has Aligulac predicted the outcome correctly? It can be calculated by Aligulac themselves... then they can implement a meta-predictor for their predictor, and... O.o ...
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That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/
+ Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little
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Wow its real hard to predict that a protoss will win a PvT bo7 in a code s semifinal. Thank god we got aligulac to tell us that LOL. Talk about stating the obvious and then trying to take credit for it.
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On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little
What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets?
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On June 19 2014 01:03 johnbongham wrote:
Wow its real hard to predict that a protoss will win a PvT bo7 in a code s semifinal. Thank god we got aligulac to tell us that LOL. Talk about stating the obvious and then trying to take credit for it.
"statistically Classic was favoured against Maru" Nothing wrong with that. Try to be able to take a joke
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On June 19 2014 01:11 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets?
Mevious has made 68% of the available points (I'm on 63%, so also within aligulac's range )
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I like Classic, but he really wasn't supposed to win this. This season of Code S lost most of its appeal with Maru out.
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On June 19 2014 01:12 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 01:03 johnbongham wrote:
Wow its real hard to predict that a protoss will win a PvT bo7 in a code s semifinal. Thank god we got aligulac to tell us that LOL. Talk about stating the obvious and then trying to take credit for it. "statistically Classic was favoured against Maru" Nothing wrong with that. Try to be able to take a joke Edit: Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 01:11 Stress wrote:On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets? Mevious has made 68% of the available points (I'm on 63%, so also within aligulac's range )
That's interesting. I'm curious, do you make your "betting" decisions based on Aligulac? Or do you go from memory/intuition on who you think is better?
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Mostly memory but if I've missed a lot or I'm not sure I'll check past matches and or aligulac. It's a handy tool but you have to know how to interpret the data
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On June 19 2014 01:21 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 01:12 Penev wrote:On June 19 2014 01:03 johnbongham wrote:
Wow its real hard to predict that a protoss will win a PvT bo7 in a code s semifinal. Thank god we got aligulac to tell us that LOL. Talk about stating the obvious and then trying to take credit for it. "statistically Classic was favoured against Maru" Nothing wrong with that. Try to be able to take a joke Edit: On June 19 2014 01:11 Stress wrote:On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets? Mevious has made 68% of the available points (I'm on 63%, so also within aligulac's range ) That's interesting. I'm curious, do you make your "betting" decisions based on Aligulac? Or do you go from memory/intuition on who you think is better?
I'm at 72% correct voting percentage, entirely tuition. Where would the fun be using aligulac, especially if that's what a large number of people do?
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Maru lost? That kinda sucks
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On June 18 2014 20:28 riyanme wrote:
im afraid that if true wins his match... this finals will be the least watched gsl finals ever...
highly expecting a less crowd and no show fans...
and to cap it all, maybe another round 2 on that studio again...
Dont' be such cynic. This final will be ok.
We have Dear vs Soo before. I can't see why that classic vs true is worse.
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Yuck yuck yuck, and I'm not imitating a rednecky laugh.
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On June 19 2014 00:04 Xinzoe wrote:if protoss wins 3 GSLs in a row then the only person to blame is soo
protoss come and go. Soo stays.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On June 19 2014 01:11 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets?
I'm currently #107 with a 73% voting, 62% points percentage. I don't use anything to help me vote and I think it's pretty easy to get a high rate just by following the scene closely for awhile.
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On June 19 2014 01:45 Valiver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 01:11 Stress wrote:On June 19 2014 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:That isn't THAT amazing, i have a voting accuracy of 77% right now (with 65% of possible points though -.-), not enough to win liquibet :/ + Show Spoiler +Ok you caught me, i just wanted to boast a little What is the accuracy percentage of the top people that participate in liquibets? I'm currently #107 with a 73% voting, 62% points percentage. I don't use anything to help me vote and I think it's pretty easy to get a high rate just by following the scene closely for awhile.
Yeah i agree, i just tend to lose the big points :D (like today^^)
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Great to see SKT advancing. :D
I shouldn't have fallen asleep after game 4.
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YAY classic! Disliking the Maru bias on the TL homepage.
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So the last terran to win GSL was... Mvp? Lol
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On June 19 2014 04:44 Ace Frehley wrote:
So the last terran to win GSL was... Mvp? Lol
Lol. Blame Innovation.
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On June 19 2014 01:15 Ctesias wrote:
I like Classic, but he really wasn't supposed to win this. This season of Code S lost most of its appeal with Maru out.
"supposed to win"? No, the only one who's supposed to win is the one who advances, through a combination of skill, mindgames, and a bit of luck.
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The power of protoss
User was warned for this post
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On June 19 2014 04:48 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:44 Ace Frehley wrote:
So the last terran to win GSL was... Mvp? Lol Lol. Blame Innovation.
Well, there´s only one king.
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I went to bed before Game 6. I'm so pleased to see Classic go through. He looked the better player over the course of the series, although Maru did play a little sloppy and looked a little off his A game.
Classic vs True would be an interesting finals. An all SKT not so much.
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No0o0o0, the chosen one is dead.
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it would've been 4-0 if classic didnt make phoenixes. dont be so sad guys
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I checked out the results and as expected I see protoss won in Frost and Alterzim. These two maps need to be removed, period.
I don't intend to watch the series.
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It's such a shame that Taeja won Dreamhack. It over shadows the fact that terran have been getting destroyed in tournaments this entire calendar year.
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On June 19 2014 09:05 usethis2 wrote:
I checked out the results and as expected I see protoss won in Frost and Alterzim. These two maps need to be removed, period.
I don't intend to watch the series.
You know Frost has the most balanced stats with the largest sample size in the pool right? PvT is also at a perfect 50% (48-48) on Alterzim.
Maru could have won the Frost game if not for a bad engagement in the lategame. On Alterzim he went for a risky proxy reaper that failed badly iirc.
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On June 19 2014 01:41 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 00:04 Xinzoe wrote:if protoss wins 3 GSLs in a row then the only person to blame is soo protoss come and go. Soo stays.
The kong stay the kong.
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Why do Protosses use the Oracle into Phoenix Colossus build so often? I agree it's a viable strat (somewhat), but personally I don't see any advantage it has over conventional Colossus builds or even Templar builds.
And that Alterzim game Maru got countered so bad. He didn't scout him in the first position + Classic wasn't greedy as Maru had hoped... Also the Hellion drops didn't accomplish anything either.
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On June 19 2014 00:13 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 23:23 Stress wrote:On June 18 2014 22:49 stuchiu wrote:On June 18 2014 22:40 SatedSC2 wrote:On June 18 2014 22:11 stuchiu wrote:So was KingKong. Next question. Classic and Maru are comparable given that their ratings are primarily based on ProLeague and WCS KR results. KingKong clearly doesn't fit in with that. I hope you're being facetious... I thought you were being facetious too o_o. Somehow I don't think Classic being statistically favored was the reason why people were upset. Honestly, do you guys think Aligulacs rankings/predictor is a good indicator of who will win? Aligulac is extremely useful for viewing the recent match history of players but SC2 is so volatile and depending on the match-up and a few other factors (slumps or who the opponents are) I don't believe it to be a good indicator of who will win. For example, Forgg is ranked #5 and is the highest ranked TvT player. But if you look at his match history since April, against Terran he is 4-4 against MMA, 3-4 against Happy, and has lost to both Innovation and Jjakji. If you use the predictor he is favored against Flash in a BO3 73% to 27% and in a BO5 78% to 22%. Would people honestly believe that Forgg would beat Flash in a BOX series? After seeing Flashs TvT against Bbyong in Shoutcraft I would imagine the odds are against Forgg even though Forgg is ranked #5 overall and Flash is ranked #30 overall. I understand this is one match-up and only one player but I'm using it to argue my case on why Aligulac isn't the best indicator of who should be favored or not favored. In no way am I bashing Aligulac, it is a very well put together site that contains extremely useful information. Aligulac gets predictions right more often than not. Not near 100% accuracy, naturally, but I think it's a better predictor than most would-be experts on TL and Reddit.
100% what? if i say someone is 80% how can i be 100% accurate? i didnt say anything
On June 19 2014 01:03 johnbongham wrote:
Wow its real hard to predict that a protoss will win a PvT bo7 in a code s semifinal. Thank god we got aligulac to tell us that LOL. Talk about stating the obvious and then trying to take credit for it.
lol, whats tyhe balance like? is it even bad at all? also hope you enjoyed the 2.3 time sthe money on pinnacle for a what you seem to claim was almost a lock.
if you truly had this much edge over everyone you would have infinite money by now
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On June 19 2014 11:23 dyDrawer wrote:
Why do Protosses use the Oracle into Phoenix Colossus build so often? I agree it's a viable strat (somewhat), but personally I don't see any advantage it has over conventional Colossus builds or even Templar builds.
And that Alterzim game Maru got countered so bad. He didn't scout him in the first position + Classic wasn't greedy as Maru had hoped... Also the Hellion drops didn't accomplish anything either.
huge map, they counter drop pretty well (combined with observers). phoenix are very fast, can pick of stray units, scouts and do some average harass aswell
they trade cost effective with vikings and will murder a large portion of your army when you do not engage and try to run (as seen) - actually it happens quite often for a terran to reposition and regroup/move around - chances you get a few units are high.
long story short: the bigger the map, the better phoenix become
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On June 19 2014 05:19 Zashi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 01:15 Ctesias wrote:
I like Classic, but he really wasn't supposed to win this. This season of Code S lost most of its appeal with Maru out. "supposed to win"? No, the only one who's supposed to win is the one who advances, through a combination of skill, mindgames, and a bit of luck.
"Supposed to win" as in I would prefer Maru to have won, as it would have made for a better storyline. Of course Classic deserved the win, as he played better than Maru.
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On June 20 2014 01:16 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 05:19 Zashi wrote:On June 19 2014 01:15 Ctesias wrote:
I like Classic, but he really wasn't supposed to win this. This season of Code S lost most of its appeal with Maru out. "supposed to win"? No, the only one who's supposed to win is the one who advances, through a combination of skill, mindgames, and a bit of luck. "Supposed to win" as in I would prefer Maru to have won, as it would have made for a better storyline. Of course Classic deserved the win, as he played better than Maru.
You don't think code B terran -> GSL champion protoss is a good storyline?
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no day 2 thread yet?
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On June 20 2014 16:50 orvinreyes wrote:no day 2 thread yet?
My passion is dead
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On June 20 2014 17:05 Dodgin wrote:My passion is dead
NA passion > EU passion
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