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On April 28 2014 06:56 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... Yeah, but still. The fact he rapidly fell off as soon as Hellbats were nerfed kinda shows that he at least did benefit from the state of the game back then.
If you call Innovation a patch Terran, then Life was a patch Zerg as well. Instead, why don't we just agree that both were phenomenal players
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On April 28 2014 06:57 Bagration wrote:
Fuck, he had a great concave and moved away into a terrible one.
He was scared of the protected hydras, even with an excellent concave, hydras were really well protected in that position.
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On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:38 GumBa wrote:
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I want a win though! I would cry with joy and it would shut up the "lol inno overatted only 1 tourbament win he never was good lelelel" people up I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs....
The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:57 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 20% ★★★- Good game (11) 73% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 7% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On April 28 2014 06:58 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:38 GumBa wrote:
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I want a win though! I would cry with joy and it would shut up the "lol inno overatted only 1 tourbament win he never was good lelelel" people up I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Fruitdealer would like a word
Fruitdealer didn't dominate.
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United States97276 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:58 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:38 GumBa wrote:
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I want a win though! I would cry with joy and it would shut up the "lol inno overatted only 1 tourbament win he never was good lelelel" people up I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Fruitdealer would like a word
Fruitdealer won his GSL in a year where 2/3 of the GSLs were won by his race
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On April 28 2014 06:56 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:38 GumBa wrote:
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I want a win though! I would cry with joy and it would shut up the "lol inno overatted only 1 tourbament win he never was good lelelel" people up I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Mvp won in a GSL where there were 5 protoss inro8 and he beat thee of them who lived in the same team house. Then he reinvented the meta against BL/Infestor.
Well, Life won an MLG where he was the only Zerg in Ro8 :-P
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Avilo is stealing DH viewers!!!
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every time that battle.net sound pops up on the stream i check my Hearthstone client
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:58 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:58 Hassybaby wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Fruitdealer would like a word Fruitdealer won his GSL in a year where 2/3 of the GSLs were won by his race
After a couple of significant nerfs to bunkers
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:58 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:56 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... Yeah, but still. The fact he rapidly fell off as soon as Hellbats were nerfed kinda shows that he at least did benefit from the state of the game back then. Imo he fell of from no longer being STX and his TvP and TvZ winrates actually improved. Only his TvT took a hit
Only Mvp could win in metas where Terran was favored, Protoss was favored and Zerg was favored.
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On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still.
Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:58 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... Really ? Life and Leenock were mostly the ones carrying the entertaining and solid performances paired with cheeky play. Yes sometimes they would fall back to Broodfestors, but it wasn´t the norm.
Leenock abused the shit out of it quite often. And they had that cushion for basically garanteed series wins. Yeah life was good enough without it so I consider Life amazing but even he needed it vs. Mvp
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On April 28 2014 06:58 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:58 Hassybaby wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Fruitdealer would like a word Fruitdealer won his GSL in a year where 2/3 of the GSLs were won by his race
And quarterfinals of his season had only one zerg. Another perspective.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 28 2014 06:59 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:39 Darkhorse wrote:
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I'm a HerO fan. People make fun of him for crying and being nervous literally every time he loses. It happens to all of us D: Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Mvp won in a GSL where there were 5 protoss inro8 and he beat thee of them who lived in the same team house. Then he reinvented the meta against BL/Infestor. Well, Life won an MLG where he was the only Zerg in Ro8 :-P
Mvp won with a broken back for years. Mvp always wins the oneupmanship game.
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Impact trying to finish fast to help TB
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Artortoises XD
Edit: wait... Artoises?
Edit 2: Artortoise.
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sorry TB, but life is now a 90+% favorite to win 
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EPT
