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On April 28 2014 07:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:59 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. (Not taking anything away from them. But if the race is weak, you won't dominate, imo :-P ) Mvp won in a GSL where there were 5 protoss inro8 and he beat thee of them who lived in the same team house. Then he reinvented the meta against BL/Infestor. Well, Life won an MLG where he was the only Zerg in Ro8 :-P Mvp won with a broken back for years. Mvp always wins the oneupmanship game.
a broken. back.
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United States97276 Posts
People overplay how much Sniper used BL Infestor too. He actually beat plenty of people without it and was clearly a very high level ZvZ player at the time considering how he had to finish his GSL run
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:00 Boucot wrote:
STUCHIU
Me and Impact all about the 10 pool truth.
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United States97276 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:01 FuRRie wrote:sorry TB, but life is now a 90+% favorite to win 
indeed
(2010) Life 1-0 Impact (1556)
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47.98% 3-0
29.49% 3-1 1-3 2.90%
13.59% 3-2 2-3 6.03%
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91.07% 8.93%
Median outcome: Life 3-1 Impact
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:01 Shellshock wrote:
People overplay how much Sniper used BL Infestor too. He actually beat plenty of people without it and was clearly a very high level ZvZ player at the time considering how he had to finish his GSL run
This post is Injustice league Propaganda
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On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression.
Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on
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On April 28 2014 07:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:58 Godwrath wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:On April 28 2014 06:41 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but HerO has atleast farmed a couple foreing tourney wins so people cant hate on that aspect Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... Really ? Life and Leenock were mostly the ones carrying the entertaining and solid performances paired with cheeky play. Yes sometimes they would fall back to Broodfestors, but it wasn´t the norm. Leenock abused the shit out of it quite often. And they had that cushion for basically garanteed series wins. Yeah life was good enough without it so I consider Life amazing but even he needed it vs. Mvp
So did innovation with bio-mine against soulkey. He lost tho ;p (ok ok, that was evil)
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On April 28 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
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Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression. Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on
Yup. I can drink to that
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Tasteless and Artosis are really echo-y -.-
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On April 28 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
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Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression. Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on
Exactly!
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On April 28 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
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Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression. Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on
Soulkey was better.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
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Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression. Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on
Innos TvT mainly benefited from Hellbats
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Pff that counter attack is devestating
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On April 28 2014 06:58 SoulCapsule wrote:
The audience looks totally bored it's sad
It's a ZvZ final between two koreans that are not really fan favourites with roach vs roach after 10 hours of day3 at 1:00 am local time... Except for the casters everything about this screams boring.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:03 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 07:00 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:
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That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it.
A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... The key aspect of Life's play was not Broodlord/infestor, it was early game aggression with beautiful ling micro and strong counterattacks. I'm not saying he never used it, but still. Well, the queen patch did not impact either the infestor nor the Broodlord. The queen patch gave Zergs a much safer early game, which all Zergs arguably benefited from. Some used that to turtle into a hive tech deathball, whereas others used it as a way to augment their early game aggression. Of course he benefited from it. Innovation benefited from the state of hellbats. What is not true is that either of these players were only good because of these things. They were both simply the best players at the time, and they're still both incredible. That I think we can all agree on Soulkey was better.
Till he joined SKT. Sellout.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 28 2014 07:03 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 07:00 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:58 Godwrath wrote:On April 28 2014 06:55 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:54 Swisslink wrote:On April 28 2014 06:50 GumBa wrote:On April 28 2014 06:47 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:45 stuchiu wrote:On April 28 2014 06:44 Bagration wrote:On April 28 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
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Except people say just that. "He has farmed some foreign tournaments, never won anything big". At least Inno has made a GSL finals and won Season 1. D: That's the thing: As a guy who has attained a level of dominance in SC2 matched only by Mvp and Life, Innovation has very little individual titles to show for it. A lot of Top 4, Finals but only 1 championship. Innovation's "reign" if we can call it that was about 4 months. Mvp's was somewhere between 2-3 years and Life's was 7 months. Mvp was most dominant in the summer and fall of 2011. While he continued to win because he was Mvp, he never regained that dominant form. And while Life was t really an abuser he did benefit from the state WoL was in. Not to take anything away from him though cause he was sickenigly good. And the way Inno dominated is noteworthy he just curbstomped anyone infront of him in games that were never close Well, I'd say the same goes for MVP/Innovation when they dominated. Innos period was nothing like what WOL was like for zergs.... Really ? Life and Leenock were mostly the ones carrying the entertaining and solid performances paired with cheeky play. Yes sometimes they would fall back to Broodfestors, but it wasn´t the norm. Leenock abused the shit out of it quite often. And they had that cushion for basically garanteed series wins. Yeah life was good enough without it so I consider Life amazing but even he needed it vs. Mvp So did innovation with bio-mine against soulkey. He lost tho ;p (ok ok, that was evil)
Biomine actually needed skill
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Lol Life's slow ling does more damage than Impact's speedling
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EPT
