★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (5)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (12)
52%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
22%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 1?
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
43%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
58%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 3?
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (5)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
46%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 4?
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
38%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (5)
83%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 1?
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
29%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
71%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
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0%
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0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
40%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
40%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 3?
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 5?
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ye i was completely confident that vortix had a shot, but he had nothing to say against jjakji, that's so depressive, anyway both koreans going to advance imo
On April 11 2014 22:19 Zealously wrote: The best thing is that no matter what happens in the first match the semifinal will be great (probably MMA 3-0 though)
On April 11 2014 22:19 Zealously wrote: The best thing is that no matter what happens in the first match the semifinal will be great (probably MMA 3-0 though)
That's bold. I actually agree with you, though I think Snute will take 1 game. 4-5 weeks ago, I'd have given Snute an edge, especially since he beat MMA and MMA also had some other losses, but he has been on fire recently, and has avenged the losses to Snute twice. Snute on the other hand has looked a little out of sorts lately.
- MMA is at ~ 43.73 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 62.71 % of the time MMA wins and their chances go up to ~ 55.50 %. ~ 37.29 % of the time MMA loses and their chances go down to ~ 23.93 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Snute is at ~ 24.00 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 37.29 % of the time Snute wins and their chances go up to ~ 39.86 %. ~ 62.71 % of the time Snute loses and their chances go down to ~ 14.57 %.
- San is at ~ 99.96 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 62.65 % of the time San wins and their chances go up to ~ 100.00 %. ~ 37.35 % of the time San loses and their chances go down to ~ 99.90 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Welmu is at ~ 21.80 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 37.35 % of the time Welmu wins and their chances go up to ~ 37.33 %. ~ 62.65 % of the time Welmu loses and their chances go down to ~ 12.54 %.
On April 11 2014 22:19 Zealously wrote: The best thing is that no matter what happens in the first match the semifinal will be great (probably MMA 3-0 though)
On April 11 2014 22:19 Zealously wrote: The best thing is that no matter what happens in the first match the semifinal will be great (probably MMA 3-0 though)
Who you rooting for to win it all?
jjakji, with MMA a close second
why would you cheer for MMA. That's even worse than being a Startale fan
On April 11 2014 22:19 Zealously wrote: The best thing is that no matter what happens in the first match the semifinal will be great (probably MMA 3-0 though)
Who you rooting for to win it all?
jjakji, with MMA a close second
why would you cheer for MMA. That's even worse than being a Startale fan
You shut your pie-hole now ya'hear? Yolo terran is amazing, and only old farts don't like him.
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
Not sure if you could call it a curse though.
You haven't been a writer longer than that? 0.o
It feels longer doesn't it? Rest assured I would have bet on Mvp beating Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle.
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
Not sure if you could call it a curse though.
You haven't been a writer longer than that? 0.o
It feels longer doesn't it? Rest assured I would have bet on Mvp beating Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle.
When I was a writer I predicted Rain 4-1 MC so they took away my pen
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
Not sure if you could call it a curse though.
You haven't been a writer longer than that? 0.o
It feels longer doesn't it? Rest assured I would have bet on Mvp beating Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle.
well good thing you didn't then. the King deserved that win.
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
Not sure if you could call it a curse though.
You haven't been a writer longer than that? 0.o
It feels longer doesn't it? Rest assured I would have bet on Mvp beating Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle.
I would have bet on him beating Naniwa but not Parting or Squirtle to be honest
maybe Squirtle after he beat Parting but I don't know man those two were pretty unbeatable in PvT
On April 12 2014 02:51 Circumstance wrote: TL predicted that MMA and San would advance today... so the foreign hope is still alive! \o/
The guys that did the predictions are mostly rookies, so their predictions will likely come true. It takes a few weeks before the curse kicks in.
My first prediction was Jaedong making it to ro16 GSL after getting a Code S seed. He then Bombed out and never made it past the qualifiers ever again and eventually ran to WCS NA.
Not sure if you could call it a curse though.
You haven't been a writer longer than that? 0.o
It feels longer doesn't it? Rest assured I would have bet on Mvp beating Naniwa, Parting and Squirtle.
well good thing you didn't then. the King deserved that win.
I'm only good at predicting things mid series. Everything else is basically a coin toss. (except Soo vs Parting where I got the exact map score and exactly how Parting got his 1 map).
hm, don't particularly care for either player but i'm still hyped as fuck for this. good job ESL. also of course high level TvZ tends to be sexy in general.
On April 12 2014 03:12 Serimek wrote: WhiteRa as a bartender is like this kind of character in RPG that look like an old grumpy lonesome villager but is actually a retired legendary hero
On April 12 2014 03:12 Serimek wrote: WhiteRa as a bartender is like this kind of character in RPG that look like an old grumpy lonesome villager but is actually a retired legendary hero
Highly fitting considering the fact that he is a retired legendary hero
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (5)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (12)
52%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
22%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (5)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (12)
52%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
22%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 1?
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On April 12 2014 03:28 sharkie wrote: no matter foreigner or not, outplaying snute this hard is just crazy o.o
It also leaves Snute in a really uncomfortable spot. He is a macro guy, he does not like to cheese and his late game has always been his strength. If MMA can just demolish him in straight up macro, what the hell does he do?
On April 12 2014 03:28 theBALLS wrote: he attacked 4 locations and seemed to micro them all. holy hell
+macro. I didnt even have enough time to see if he was expanding also or something.. crazy good shit
4th on the way, he only microed 2 places (once the mine was burrowed) but did it at exactly the right time (scanning when his drop spots the army coming back to the main, attacking the 3rd, microing his drop then retreating his main army, all timed perfectly)
On April 12 2014 03:28 sharkie wrote: no matter foreigner or not, outplaying snute this hard is just crazy o.o
It also leaves Snute in a really uncomfortable spot. He is a macro guy, he does not like to cheese and his late game has always been his strength. If MMA can just demolish him in straight up macro, what the hell does he do?
Keep going. Heavy Rain was the hardest map to stop that. MMA has certain patterns when he does his mult tiask stuff. He likes hitting in diagonal positions and then in counter clockwise rotations.
On April 12 2014 03:28 sharkie wrote: no matter foreigner or not, outplaying snute this hard is just crazy o.o
It also leaves Snute in a really uncomfortable spot. He is a macro guy, he does not like to cheese and his late game has always been his strength. If MMA can just demolish him in straight up macro, what the hell does he do?
Keep going. Heavy Rain was the hardest map to stop that. MMA has certain patterns when he does his mult tiask stuff. He likes hitting in diagonal positions and then in counter clockwise rotations.
Very misleading that Apollo keeps talking about Zerglings in a way that reflects that he thinks they each take up 1 supply while they in fact take up 0.5...
On April 12 2014 03:36 Qwerty85 wrote: MMA just too strong.
More like Snute too stupid there he just had to keep his lings near his queens.
More like Snute and every other pro zerg think they are some god and dont build a spine. Take the loss of building a spine over losing drones and queens.
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29%
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29%
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43%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
43%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
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On April 12 2014 03:43 Tachion wrote: I wonder if liquid players practice and ladder with two sets of headphones so that when it comes tournament time they're not feeling awkward about it.
Their ears would probably look like wrestler's ears if they did that constantly. At least the way Taeja does it :D
On April 12 2014 03:43 Tachion wrote: I wonder if liquid players practice and ladder with two sets of headphones so that when it comes tournament time they're not feeling awkward about it.
Taeja takes it a step further and sleeps with them on
These games are just so high level, I wonder if Snute run his drone up to the north base on purpose to let MMA find it and kill it with his drops and make MMA think that Snute was going monster eco and that an immenent attack was unlikely
On April 12 2014 03:43 Schelim wrote: eating shrimps with chili sauce and curry rice, drinking beer and watching WCS EU
i'm living the good life tonight
Drinking beer and watching WCS, life is good.
drinking coffee and procrastinating a report I have to do
Life is good as soon as I get around to it.
I'm almost used to working 7 days a week by now. Oh well, everything will slow down next week so I'll have some free time again soon Also probably should start watching and playing SC2 again or I'll lose horribly in LRSL xD
MMA is really trying to mindgame Snute on this map to work around the problem that reapers are terrible on this map
On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
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42%
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58%
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12 total votes
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On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
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42%
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58%
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0%
12 total votes
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On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
On April 12 2014 03:57 ptbl wrote: What happened to the snute that won seatstorycup. MMA is just outplaying and outminding snute.
To be fair, SSC was hardly the most stacked event ever. This is why I don't like using tournament placements as absolute indications of ability. Who you win against matters more than how many games you win. You can win a load of smaller online cups and still not be as good as someone who never even reached a Ro4.
On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
Slow banes or fast banes on creep?
even vs fast when he's dropping.
yeah, fast banes on creep, moving in the middle of a bunch of lings. He just goes in and BAM, all the banes are gone
On April 12 2014 03:57 maartendq wrote: Snute rally can't keep up with MMA's multitasking..
? It has nothing to do with multitasking. If you see marine-drops at your base before you noticed it, then its way too late. But if you noticed before he dropped his marines and you dont move to him then you can say this. A super strong problem in sc2 with "terrible terrible damage".
On April 12 2014 03:55 Gorlin wrote: Holy crap this baneling targeting is so good
you haven't seen jjakji play against Zerg then. Jjakji is the master of quick baneling-targeting. He needs like half a second to shift-target 5-6 banelings. I have no idea how that is even possible
Slow banes or fast banes on creep?
even vs fast when he's dropping.
yeah, fast banes on creep, moving in the middle of a bunch of lings. He just goes in and BAM, all the banes are gone
Sounds pretty much like my TvZ except my marines go BAM
38 drones in first 10 min is huge, even though MMA spent a lot of helions doing that. I woud just continue making them and trade as much as I can but then again, I am no MMA.
snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
Haha, no, they just filled a bit of new paint around the edges
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38%
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46%
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8%
13 total votes
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
38%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
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On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
factory in such a position? If Snute really thought that then he deserved the loss so bad
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
Considering he's a programer I'd say yes
Sad for Snute, he must've thought it was 2 fact non-bf hellions (but why would anyone do that) If only he walled and built spines it could've still worked
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46%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
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Poll: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
38%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
25%
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25%
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13%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs MMA Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
factory in such a position? If Snute really thought that then he deserved the loss so bad
He probably did think that, hence the bane nest. Only building that would really move around and maybe end up in that position would be barracks for a tech lab to make banshees. But factory would never be flown there, just makes no sense...
On April 12 2014 04:07 ptbl wrote: snute scouts the second factory, but doesn't prepare any defenses against the helions. I just don't understand. Why would you sacrifice the overload if you aren't going to use the information that you get.
He didn't know it was a second factory. I'm sure he assumed it was simply the first one switched-out.
The factory in that particular position? There is no way a pro player of snute's caliber should make the mistake.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
thats what i meant. people were so excited after the Zergs topped their groups, predicting them to beat MMA and jjakji etc.
and then they just got outplayed so badly. it was art
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
not really surprising tbh. MMA is superior to Snute imo. Also, Snute not preparing for bf hellions. Didn't he realize that there's more hellions than usual? I missed the OL scout part so can't say much there.
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
Well, I still haven't seen/heard a caster that doesn't have this tendency. Also, by saying things like this, they avoid being "wrong" by saying things like: "Snute is NEVER gonna come back from this" (in case a miracle actually occurs).
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
thats what i meant. people were so excited after the Zergs topped their groups, predicting them to beat MMA and jjakji etc.
and then they just got outplayed so badly. it was art
People always bet against Korean Terrans in these situations. People thought that TLO was going to crush Mvp as well back in WCS Season 1 last year as well.
You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
Exactly. It was really confusing to me that people were actually calling Snute and Vortix favorites just because of a few Vasacast and Ro16 games... MMA and Jjajki are super elite players that turn up even more when given time to prepare for a single opponent
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
thats what i meant. people were so excited after the Zergs topped their groups, predicting them to beat MMA and jjakji etc.
and then they just got outplayed so badly. it was art
People always bet against Korean Terrans in these situations. People thought that TLO was going to crush Mvp as well back in WCS Season 1 last year as well.
I love building the hype just to watch as all of their hopes crumble.
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
Well, I still haven't seen/heard a caster that doesn't have this tendency. Also, by saying things like this, they avoid being "wrong" by saying things like: "Snute is NEVER gonna come back from this" (in case a miracle actually occurs).
They could give MMA credit for the lead that he has though and go the "Can we see Snute to the impossible and come back from this psoition!"-route rather than the "I'ts still a close game and anyone can take it!"-idea that most casters go with for the, as you say, chance of avoiding being dead wrong on a game over call.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
The power of actually being good at starcraft
Yeah, Vortix defeated MMA, Jjakji at Vasacast and MMA again at WCS ro16, because he is not actually good at Starcraft, your logic is absoulutely flawless here...
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
You bet against a Korean Terran.
I didn't bet against MMA, I fully expected him to win at any point. That doesn't make it less frustrating to watch though.
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
Exactly. It was really confusing to me that people were actually calling Snute and Vortix favorites just because of a few Vasacast and Ro16 games... MMA and Jjajki are super elite players that turn up even more when given time to prepare for a single opponent
He's saying that iron Squid crowd > any other crowd :D
Iron Squid crowd is amazing, I could not attent to IS2 but I went to Meltdown during the final, the atmosphere was awesome, people started to sing " Life is life " when he won this game on Antiga Shipyard. I miss IS. :'(
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
Well, I still haven't seen/heard a caster that doesn't have this tendency. Also, by saying things like this, they avoid being "wrong" by saying things like: "Snute is NEVER gonna come back from this" (in case a miracle actually occurs).
They could give MMA credit for the lead that he has though and go the "Can we see Snute to the impossible and come back from this psoition!"-route rather than the "I'ts still a close game and anyone can take it!"-idea that most casters go with for the, as you say, chance of avoiding being dead wrong on a game over call.
Exactly, that would be nice rather than the white lies about the actual state of the game (in this case, Snute being pwned after hellion BBQ).
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
Well, I still haven't seen/heard a caster that doesn't have this tendency. Also, by saying things like this, they avoid being "wrong" by saying things like: "Snute is NEVER gonna come back from this" (in case a miracle actually occurs).
Artosis tends to call things as they are if I'm not mistaken. A player like mma is not gonna go full foreigner and give away an advantage like that.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Has beat Jaedong. TW/CN will save us all. I believe.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Has beat Jaedong. TW/CN will save us all. I believe.
Has also beat MarineKing. is he the new foreigner hope?
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
On April 12 2014 04:08 sharkie wrote: lol ret... "snute is ONLY 10 supply behind" doesnt he realise how TvZ works?
thats called casting
im pretty sure he knows tvz better than you
To be honest.. Saying that a player is still in it after just losing 38 drones because his creep spread is good... Doesn't require a progamer to realise that such things are pretty much game enders.
Ret has become what he has most feared. A hype caster.
Well, I still haven't seen/heard a caster that doesn't have this tendency. Also, by saying things like this, they avoid being "wrong" by saying things like: "Snute is NEVER gonna come back from this" (in case a miracle actually occurs).
Artosis tends to call things as they are if I'm not mistaken. A player like mma is not gonna go full foreigner and give away an advantage like that.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
sub-par play is boring + i care more about races in game than nationalism outside of it :D
On April 12 2014 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I think what MMA and jjakji did on the span of last 2 days was crossing a big, red line between Korea and the rest of the world
The big red line was always there, the actions from the last 2 days don't change much about that. It's just so frustating to watch, that Vortix and Snute were 4-0 in series against MMA and Jjakji during Vasacast and WCS ro16 and now suddenly that happened. The power of good preparation I guess.
Exactly. It was really confusing to me that people were actually calling Snute and Vortix favorites just because of a few Vasacast and Ro16 games... MMA and Jjajki are super elite players that turn up even more when given time to prepare for a single opponent
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
So two former GSL champions, of whom one left GSL, while he was in the current ro8 are exiled, bad and non-GSL qualified (espicially "non-GSL-qualified is hillarious, since Jjakji gave up a Code S seed to change regions)? What are you trying to achieve with post like this? Just annoy people?
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I disagree, I don't care what the race of the player is (Unless Canadian), I just want to see the best player win and have entertaining games.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Question to anyone really. But in BW, did the sport become more popular during the Bonjwa days of Savior or not?
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single player vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play matters.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
It's not one sided because it's not just one player winning - it's several, hard-working individuals who happen to hail from the same nation. Splitting the scene into us and them is, if not racist, at least overly patriotic. Why should I root for a "foreign" douchebag like Naniwa over a korean sweetheart like Stardust? Because "koreans win too much"? I say Stardust isn't winning enough. And then I root for him. Simple as that.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Question to anyone really. But in BW, did the sport become more popular during the Bonjwa days of Savior or not?
His comment got my wondering.
It was going up in those days, but sAviOr's case was special, since prior to him it was mostly Terran domination at the top, and he just rose as a god-tier Terran slayer apart from being probably the 2nd best player in the game's history overall.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Question to anyone really. But in BW, did the sport become more popular during the Bonjwa days of Savior or not?
His comment got my wondering.
In korea yes. Outside of korea, bw never reached SC2's size or was close to do so.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:20 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
Yes, when did I say everyone.
Citation please. XD
"Because one sided domination is boring."
Not "Because I think one sided domination is boring."
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single players vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play.
Stories, casters, production, hype, storylines, legacies, etc. That's all nice, but Godly games trump all of that every time. There's a reason Jjakji vs Leenock is still the best GSL finals of all time despite having close to the worst storyline of all time.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
Where is your empirical scientifically tested proof that one-sided domination is boring?!
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:20 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
Yes, when did I say everyone.
Citation please. XD
"Because one sided domination is boring."
Not "Because I think one sided domination is boring."
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:20 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
Yes, when did I say everyone.
Citation please. XD
"Because one sided domination is boring."
Not "Because I think one sided domination is boring."
Anything else?
And no, I personally don't think it's boring.
You know political correctness is boring
This isn't political correctness. As far as I'm concerned you're just pure wrong and I'm sick and tired of these drama hyenas doing nothing but trying to ruin the fun.
And If I could watch MMA win every tournament in the history of SC2 from now on, I know I fucking would, and pay money for it too.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single players vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play.
Stories, casters, production, hype, storylines, legacies, etc. That's all nice, but Godly games trump all of that every time. There's a reason Jjakji vs Leenock is still the best GSL finals of all time despite having close to the worst storyline of all time.
They were both really young, if that counts for something. Leenock was 16 and Jjakji was 17.
Leenock was also looking like the hottest player in the world at the time, having won the stacked MLG Providence, beating MMA, DRG, Mvp, Huk, Naniwa, etc. etc. and then beating Mvp again in the Ro4, whereas Jjakji was one of the biggest darkhorses going into the finals.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:20 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
Yes, when did I say everyone.
Citation please. XD
"Because one sided domination is boring."
Not "Because I think one sided domination is boring."
Anything else?
And no, I personally don't think it's boring.
You know political correctness is boring
This isn't political correctness. As far as I'm concerned you're just pure wrong and I'm sick and tired of these drama hyenas doing nothing but trying to ruin the fun.
And If I could watch MMA win every tournament in the history of SC2 from now on, I know I fucking would, and pay money for it too.
Let's stop feeding this notion. Responses are just feeding the discussion, eventually it will last entire series. There is no reasoning with people online imo.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single players vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play.
Stories, casters, production, hype, storylines, legacies, etc. That's all nice, but Godly games trump all of that every time. There's a reason Jjakji vs Leenock is still the best GSL finals of all time despite having close to the worst storyline of all time.
Yes, worst is a lot of hype leading in to poor games in comparison and then disappointment. We get that a fair bit.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Apparently this game isn't called Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm for foreigner fans. It is called Korea vs the World. Korean players practicing hard and showing great skill on stream is bad for the game somehow. And every mistake Korean makes is a huge/unforgivable blunder while anything foreigner does is the most genius move ever that is going to revolutionize the game.
I still maintain that the internet drama fiends aren't even fans to begin with.
On April 12 2014 04:24 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:20 sharkie wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
Again, citation needed.
what citation lol
You seem to pretend that everyone is of your opinion when that is objectively not true.
Yes, when did I say everyone.
Citation please. XD
"Because one sided domination is boring."
Not "Because I think one sided domination is boring."
Anything else?
And no, I personally don't think it's boring.
You know political correctness is boring
This isn't political correctness. As far as I'm concerned you're just pure wrong and I'm sick and tired of these drama hyenas doing nothing but trying to ruin the fun.
And If I could watch MMA win every tournament in the history of SC2 from now on, I know I fucking would, and pay money for it too.
Yes it is. Just because I don't write "I think" you think I mean everyone -.- It's obvious that this is MY opinion. Otherwise I would say EVERYONE SAYS one sided domination is boring. It's just political correctness crap.
And of course there are people who are not of my opinion but there are also people who agree with me. Why is it bad to voice their own opinion?
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single players vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play.
Stories, casters, production, hype, storylines, legacies, etc. That's all nice, but Godly games trump all of that every time. There's a reason Jjakji vs Leenock is still the best GSL finals of all time despite having close to the worst storyline of all time.
They were both really young, if that counts for something. Leenock was 16 and Jjakji was 17.
Leenock was also looking like the hottest player in the world at the time, having won the stacked MLG Providence, beating MMA, DRG, Mvp, Huk, Naniwa, etc. etc. and then beating Mvp again in the Ro4, whereas Jjakji was one of the biggest darkhorses going into the finals.
Going into that everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion Leenock was going to win. The casters, the players, the news. Everyone was calling Leenock the next GSL Champion. Most news couldn't even spell or pronounce Jjakji's name right. Artosis called Jjakji as a 0% chance to ever win that GSL. It was supposed to be another finals in a series of terrible finals the GSL has continually produced.
Instead it was the best ZvT series ever played up to that point.
lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
On April 12 2014 04:15 sharkie wrote: You know I dislike the whole Korean domination like most but it is fair.
Those Koreans like MMA und jjakji, they sacrificed their whole future for this game. It's their life unlike westerners who go to school or attend university. It's pretty obvious that someone who spends 24/7 on SC2 beats someone with only half their dedication
Dislike korean domination? Why? They have been producing the best players for 15 years, it's not like any surprise or so that even the exiled, bad, non-GSL-qualified koreans are better than foreigners
Because one sided domination is boring. In any sport, mind you. Doesnt have anything to do with racism.
I just want to see the best players and the best Starcraft. This foreigner vs Korean etc is nice for the hype but ultimately, the game is about a single players vs a single player. Their country of origin is irrelevant, IMO; only the quality of their play.
Stories, casters, production, hype, storylines, legacies, etc. That's all nice, but Godly games trump all of that every time. There's a reason Jjakji vs Leenock is still the best GSL finals of all time despite having close to the worst storyline of all time.
They were both really young, if that counts for something. Leenock was 16 and Jjakji was 17.
Leenock was also looking like the hottest player in the world at the time, having won the stacked MLG Providence, beating MMA, DRG, Mvp, Huk, Naniwa, etc. etc. and then beating Mvp again in the Ro4, whereas Jjakji was one of the biggest darkhorses going into the finals.
Going into that everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion Leenock was going to win. The casters, the players, the news. Everyone was calling Leenock the next GSL Champion. Most news couldn't even spell or pronounce Jjakji's name right. Artosis called Jjakji as a 0% chance to ever win that GSL. It was supposed to be another finals in a series of terrible finals the GSL has continually produced.
Instead it was the best ZvT series ever played up to that point.
On April 12 2014 04:34 babobbyj wrote: lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
On April 12 2014 04:34 babobbyj wrote: lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
their monitors are pretty good man.
I was about to say that lol, got one a couple of years ago, still working and looking as if it was new. best monitor i owned so far
On April 12 2014 04:34 babobbyj wrote: lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
I don't know if there is a company that doesn't depend on people buying their products lol
On April 12 2014 04:34 babobbyj wrote: lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
On April 12 2014 04:34 babobbyj wrote: lol @ acer e-sport. Firs time I've seen a company, that are depended on ppl actually buying their products, act so cocky. They have no products that are worth the money it cost...wtf.
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
On April 12 2014 04:37 xsnac wrote: 11 gate. CALL IT GUYS DAMN YOU CASTERS
I get so annoyed when the casters get rolling on some topic and miss/don't talk about something. Then again it's a drag to stop mid-thought and call out "Oh look an 11 gate"
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
a Swede supporting a Finn? brb, gonna look and see if the Four Horsemen have arrived already
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
a Swede supporting a Finn? brb, gonna look and see if the Four Horsemen have arrived already
We always do as long as we do not compete against each other. We're bro's
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
a Swede supporting a Finn? brb, gonna look and see if the Four Horsemen have arrived already
Lately we have realized Sweden is kinda shit tbh. Relax, the apocalypse won't arrive until a mad Finn beats a godlike Korean in PvP.
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
a Swede supporting a Finn? brb, gonna look and see if the Four Horsemen have arrived already
Lately we have realized Sweden is kinda shit tbh. Relax, the apocalypse won't arrive until a mad Finn beats a godlike Korean in PvP.
On April 12 2014 04:35 BaneRiders wrote: I was at a Leningrad Cowboys concert yesterday so I expect Finland to continue to dominate the entertainment business today! I just hope I don't hurt another rib today, yesterday was certainly enough! Since I have no riot fence at home, the risk of that should rather slim! Go Welmuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
a Swede supporting a Finn? brb, gonna look and see if the Four Horsemen have arrived already
Lately we have realized Sweden is kinda shit tbh. Relax, the apocalypse won't arrive until a mad Finn beats a godlike Korean in PvP.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (5)
83%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
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6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On April 12 2014 04:49 Yorkie wrote: Fairly close fights, but Welmu should've left after this first big fight
Don't think so, he had 2 Collossi in the orange, let them regenerater, put them into the red and then left them alive again. I think, he could have gotten a better engagement, if he would have killed those of earlier. San did a good job of always pulling them back though.
I think Welmu sent too much zealots to flank. Zealots were stucked coz there were too much of them. Without that I think Welmu would have won that fight.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
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83%
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6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
71%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
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0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Koreans seem to win more outside of group stages in WCS. Maybe the group stages are creating idiosyncratic variance that keeps the best players from making it to the later stages of the tournament.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
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5 total votes
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
50%
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4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
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Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
25%
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25%
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0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
40%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Welmu vs San Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
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On April 12 2014 05:04 yido wrote: Koreans seem to win more outside of group stages in WCS. Maybe the group stages are creating idiosyncratic variance that keeps the best players from making it to the later stages of the tournament.
It's quite simple.
When you only have to prepare for a single opponent, the Korean practice style really shines.
When you're practicing for all match ups, you're basically almost in ladder mode. That's where foreigners can compete better, because for most of them the ladder is their primary practice tool.
On April 12 2014 05:04 yido wrote: Koreans seem to win more outside of group stages in WCS. Maybe the group stages are creating idiosyncratic variance that keeps the best players from making it to the later stages of the tournament.
It's quite simple.
When you only have to prepare for a single opponent, the Korean practice style really shines.
When you're practicing for all match ups, you're basically almost in ladder mode. That's where foreigners can compete better, because for most of them the ladder is their primary practice tool.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Why not? It's easier for euros to get more foreigners in the top 8 when they have to compete against less koreans overall. It's very relevant to that fact. What if a tourney had 1 korean out of 32, but that one korean made top 8. Are you going to brag that 7 foreigners made top 8?
Hurray, WCS EU and WCS NA and all that you see are koreans. Its absolutely not their fault. They are just using the possibilities that blizzard gave them. But for my as a viewer, its just boring and absolutely not entertaining. Blizzard is simply destroying the local scenes (well in fact, US is already nearly complete destroyed, and EU is on same road). The same korean faces you see in all the other majors you see in the WCS EU and WCS NA finals. There is no diversity. No local flavour. No story. Nothing special. Nearly nothing to identify with. I know, the answer to this post will be "but the high skill....". I don t care. The missing of a restict region lock is destroying the fun for me as a viewer and it is poison for the development of the EU and NA scene.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Snute and Welmu didn't have to beat a korean to advance, and Vortix had to beat MVP(he's a god, but not at the top of his game). Every NA group had 2 or more Koreans. I'm just pointing this out, EU is no doubt stronger than NA. as evidenced by the fact that even though they didn't have to, Snute beat JJakji and Vortix beat MMA
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Why not? It's easier for euros to get more foreigners in the top 8 when they have to compete against less koreans overall. It's very relevant to that fact. What if a tourney had 1 korean out of 32, but that one korean made top 8. Are you going to brag that 7 foreigners made top 8?
Not brag about it, but confirm that it is a mostly EU dominated tournament.
On April 12 2014 05:04 yido wrote: Koreans seem to win more outside of group stages in WCS. Maybe the group stages are creating idiosyncratic variance that keeps the best players from making it to the later stages of the tournament.
It's quite simple.
When you only have to prepare for a single opponent, the Korean practice style really shines.
When you're practicing for all match ups, you're basically almost in ladder mode. That's where foreigners can compete better, because for most of them the ladder is their primary practice tool.
Yeah, I think this is the reason
Idk, a lot of Koreans say they just practiced ladder and occasionally say thanks to X and Y for helping them out.Innovation actually complained about the lack of practice partners for his group.
Only guy who explicitly said recently that he focuses not only on the player but also the map is Flash who said in his interview that he did 70 practice games on 1 map that he was supposed to play against Rain.
So I guess PL guys practice that way but not sure about other Koreans.... For example Innovation is in Korea, MMA is in EU, those two will have hard time practicing even though they are on the same team...
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
Has is not Korean. Quit assuming things and look at the facts.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
But Europe claimed ForGG. Even the pros credit laddering against ForGG has helped them improved.
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
You could also add ForGG. He is basically french right now, considering how long has he been in Europe :D
On April 12 2014 05:07 Bizeheryer wrote: Well now we have to stop teasing the NA scene. R.I.P. WCS EU, welcome WCS KR 3..
Pretty sure 3 foreigners in the Ro8 is better than none
tons of more koreans in AM...AND arguably more skilled koreans at that
I don't see how that changes the fact
Dude, your 3 foreign hopes got DEMOLISHED in the round of 8. There is nothing to feel good about.
I never said anything about 'feeling good', but it's still 3 to none.
EU talent pool is 10x that of NA. If anything 3 to 1(ONE) should be a failure.
There is no ONE though. Polt is korean, if you count him as NA because of his current stay there, you simultaniously make MC, Jjakji, Patience, YoDa, First and Stardust european.
Has is not Korean. Quit assuming things and look at the facts.
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
I actually always thought Select was a Korean who moved to US when he was a kid or something like that.. Always looked at him like Worf, the guy who was never truly with his people :D
On April 12 2014 05:11 Zealously wrote: Wow Hubner follows me on Twitter
Pfft. I got Richard Lewis and StarVe. StarVe!
I see your Richard Lewis and raise with a Madbull.
Oh that's pretty cool. He aint no StarVe though. How is the Bull doing nowadays?
I have no idea, he is not that talkative and I don't speak korean anyway. Honestly I have no idea, why he followed me in the first place, but I gladly accept the honor.
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
Polt finished his studies last year and has a visa as a pro player. ^^
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
Polt finished his studies last year and has a visa as a pro player. ^^
Hmm well if he's moving towards citizenship or is committing to staying here even if suddenly WCS America no longer existed then by all means Captain America! :D
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
Polt finished his studies last year and has a visa as a pro player. ^^
I am a computer programmer, I´d give my right hand to write "Pro gamer" on my business card instead. Sadly it won´t happen. Is it illegal to lie in your visa application ^^ ?
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
Polt finished his studies last year and has a visa as a pro player. ^^
I am a computer programmer, I´d give my right hand to write "Pro gamer" on my business card instead. Sadly it won´t happen. Is it illegal to lie in your visa application ^^ ?
On April 12 2014 05:13 Greenei wrote: RIP in pieces foreign hope btw.
what about Polt?
He's from Korea.
What about Select?
SeleCT has lived and practiced in the US for a much longer time than Polt
It is a question of definition nonetheless. At what point is Polt no longer 'Korean'?
As soon as the players no longer consider themselves to no longer be "Korean" imo. If they consider themselves to be American who are we to say they aren't? For instance Polt. I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't want to remain in the US for too long after completing his studies. SeleCT on the other hand is here to stay. It's a thin and blurry line idk
Polt finished his studies last year and has a visa as a pro player. ^^
If you have Korean heritage, Koreans will consider you Korean no matter what. Polt will become American as soon as Caucasian Americans look at him as an American. (which they don't) As long as ignorance and bigotry like FOX news is still alive and well in America, all "colored" people will be still treated as second class citizens. Which means majority of them will never remove, XXXXXXX-American from their identity.
Funny thing. I predicted that the foreigners will go 3-0(well Snute got 1 game lol) in the previous article so it was nice to see my guess validated XD Never beat against the Korean more times than not lol.
On April 11 2014 02:46 BigFan wrote: Also, watch as Snute, Welmu and Vortix all end up crashing out of WCS EU leaving an RO4 with only Koreans lol. Good write-up though
called it from when that article was written lol It's not surprising though. Koreans excel at BOx games and it's not like they were facing some code B Koreans.
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