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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:20:43
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2141
On March 17 2014 01:19 Darkhorse wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:19 Dwayn wrote:
Probably the most disappointing tourny i've watched so far. The only good series was the very first between hyun and hero, the others were either 'ok' or just plain bad. First day and finals have been particulary bad.

Oh come on there were other good games. Revival vs Jjakji? Taeja vs Life? and more.

Alzheimers

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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2142
On March 17 2014 01:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again. 4 days of wins for herO pissed down the drain in 20 minutes of the worst final in history, jesus.


I disagree with the Winner Take All idea just on the principle that it screws over everyone else (and apparently is only used to increase entertainment value, rather than help the pro-gamers), regardless of how good or bad this final is. But this final certainly didn't help make the case for a WTA format lol.


WTA format is basically gambling on the finals since it places all importance on that one series.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2143
time to migrate to balance thread and reddit, I think
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2144
On March 17 2014 01:19 Dwayn wrote:
Probably the most disappointing tourny i've watched so far. The only good series was the very first between hyun and hero, the others were either 'ok' or just plain bad. First day and finals have been particulary bad.

Plenty of other good games/series.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2145
I think it's for the best if I just close my eyes and imagine IEM Cologne was the real world championship. Already feels much better
Glorious SEA doto
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2146
I thought the tournament was awesome.

Loved the venue, loved the staff - some fucking awesome series, some crazy series, some horrible series... and the finals was just hilarious.

8/10 - would watch again next year.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
March 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#2147
There was no time for analysis or deeper reflection from any part. Horribly handled end of the event. sOs grabs the trophy, gets a check. Never got a real hype about that $100k and that ending did not leave many people satisfied. At least you got your viewers and I guess that's what you care about.
SpaceChick
Profile Joined February 2010
173 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2148
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

Boxer disagreed.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2149
On March 17 2014 01:20 InspiredFrog wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

Imagine if someone had triple bunker rushed his way into victory in a finals.

Semi finals?
"Start yo" -FlaSh
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2150
Aw, they are playing the NASL song. RIP NASL
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12536 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2151
gg sOs. I'm definitely getting the replays for this event, no twitch connexion today, + lags hurt me yesterday already (and even the first day, I missed game 2 and 3 from Naniwa vs Polt)
No will to live, no wish to die
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2152
On March 17 2014 01:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On March 17 2014 01:14 Nomzter wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The winner takes all gamble was a disaster. Let's never do that again.

Why?


Let me count the ways.

1) Players should actually get paid for their work and their achievements. Winner takes all is the complete antithesis of that. The least player friendly format you can possibly have

2) Running a winner takes all tournament during a period of noted imbalance is a sure fire way to piss off the viewers and rile people up.

3) Winner takes all tournament with single elimination format. The mind boggles.

4) This whole thing was a viewership gamble by ESL. It was contradictory to Carmacs own thoughts on sustainability and the eSports "middle class", even if it was just a one off. The gamble didn't pay off. Viewership spiked in the finals for all of the 20 minutes it took for those finals to end. There was literally more downtime than games and it left everyone with a sour taste in their mouths. The viewership during the actual event was often lower than Cologne, which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, but whatever the case, the purpose of the winner takes all was to drive viewership and it failed to do that. If it had succeeded, I'd get behind it, sometimes viewership is more important even for the players and the teams, that exposure, that sponsorship ROI, super important (though not that ESL did anything to help that really since they're not even using team logos in Gameheart let alone the sponsor overlays), but in this case since it didn't achieve that objective either I'd consider it a failure.

SC2 is in a fragile state and in order to make sure it can be sustained, we need tournaments that use fair, sustainable models. ESL said this was a one off, I hope it remains a one off.

Thanks for the insight!
I am here in the shadows.
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2153
well I liked this final, differently than other crazy game of the tournament but it was a very competitive final !
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2154
On March 17 2014 01:17 Sakray wrote:
No winner interview ? Wtf
And I missed the games, what were the build used ?

Game1: Proxy 2 gates in herOs base from sOs.
Game2: Proxy 2 gates in herOs base from sOs.
Game3: Blink all in from sOs, DTs from herO. sOs saw the DTs and ggd. No units were harmed in the progression of this game.
Game4: Blind nexus first from sOs, herO with a 3 gate blink all in. All in failed due to a Robo sOs built.
Game5: Failed proxy gate from herO.

Took me longer to write down, than the games actually lasted.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2155
On March 17 2014 01:19 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I haven't been following the HotS scene, has there ever been a worse final than this in a major tournament?


Inca v Nestea
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2156
Congrets to sOs master of craftmanship and intelligence.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2157
Streams offline? i thoguth all other finals are on the stream aswell?
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2158
hahaha just queued on EU ladder and received 10 minutes of nonstop BM about protoss. fun day fun games
InspiredFrog
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland522 Posts
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2159
On March 17 2014 01:21 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:20 InspiredFrog wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:14 virpi wrote:
The games might not have been entertaining, but seriously, there have lots and lots of similar finals in the past. Remember the cheesefests in broodwar?

There wasn't something like these finals in BW yet. And it will never be.

Imagine if someone had triple bunker rushed his way into victory in a finals.

Semi finals?

My bad. But the point still stands :D
Much | Iris | July --- TaeJa | HerO | TLO
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:32:07
March 16 2014 16:21 GMT
#2160
Worst outcome possible. After amazing games we get a shit finals and the excitement of the story line of SOS winning 100k is lessened due to him winning 100k at blizzcon already. It's old hat for him now. No storyline of omg this player just won 100k for the first time ever in his life! It was so uninteresting they didn't even bother with a winner's interview. Can't even say there was no time for interview since series was so short.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
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