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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Its suprising that always someone pulls avilo card of out nowhere Foreign Bonjwa.If only he would not have to play against stupid ladderplayers that do suboptimal stuff like 5base allins that you cannot expect, since you always believe the opponent will play optimally. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
That...makes sense. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:47 Musicus wrote: It's like when the bio player is dropping at 3 spots at once and people are like "wow outplayed" :D. Not realising the different strengths of builds. 180 bio supply vs 150 mech supply is also nothing when the mech player had better upgrades from the start. Especially when a majority of Dream's supply was in Marauders when Marineking was making Battlecruisers and Banshees. Honestly. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2379 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:47 Vindicare605 wrote: How did Dream peel him apart? Aside from getting a few building SCVs here and there and forcing a couple lifts what kind of damage did Dream actually do? You guys are WAY overestimating how effective Dream's harassment was. Just cuz dream didnt play well doesnt mean MKP did. It wasn't well played by either of them tbh | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Dream peeled him apart, but MKP built up a strong sky terran composition that Dream knew was coming yet did nothing. MKP walked across the map and killed him. end That is not a fair assessment that Dream did nothing. Dream saw it coming and tried to end the game before it hit him instead of trying to play catch up. Its just that MKP is sort of also good at multitasking so the multi pronged drops designed to cripple him didn't do any of that whatsoever. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:44 opterown wrote: same thing happened when mvp won, no biggie for fan favourites haha well I thought some objectivity is still in the peoples mind. Maybe polls shouldnt go up right until the game because the fangirls are still too excited then... | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Then explain why that game was so completely one sided. MKP was ahead at every portion of that game. Even while Dream was harassing him MKP was getting up an earlier CC, while Dream was hitting his third MKP was getting ahead in upgrades and tech. He dominated him in every way that mattered. You have to be up to date with TvT's metagame on the ladder to really understand what the fuck happened there but MKP was never in any real trouble what are you saying.. dream throw that game away pretty badly. at one point it was 180 supply vs 120 while mkp transitioning into bc for what ever reason he had like 5 tanks and some hellbats and bunch of useless vikings and 2 banshees all dream had to do was a move from 2 fonts and he literally win. instead he decided to throw units aways by doing 2 completly useless drops. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:48 Big J wrote: Foreign Bonjwa.If only he would not have to play against stupid ladderplayers that do suboptimal stuff like 5base allins that you cannot expect, since you always believe the opponent will play optimally. MLG open bracket the dream! | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:48 Yorkie wrote: He was ahead about half an upgrade (and yes I understand how big that is mech vs bio) but down 40 supply and only on two bases. If the base architecture wasnt so easy to turtle on with the pack of vikings+banshee to defend drops MKP would've probably just been picked apart. But w/e points are rarely conceded in LR threads so you win MKP the god Oh wow he picked a build that took advantage of the map structure? In what way does that NOT contribute to him completely outplaying Dream? Isn't that why the Proleague format is the way it is, to prepare specific builds for specific maps? | ||
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Its suprising that always someone pulls avilo card of out nowhere Yup, clearly avilos build, the 'innovator of terran' and 'the bisu of sc2' Just kidding. not even NA players take anything avilo does or says as something viable vs high level players. I want to see what MKP does vs protoss, I'm hoping his time away will have somehow managed to let him find something crazy like his splits back in WoL that were INSANE at the time and changed TvZ completely. Maybe he can make TvP less stale! | ||
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Dinotramp
Nauru2871 Posts
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:49 MajOr wrote: what are you saying.. dream throw that game away pretty badly. at one point it was 180 supply vs 120 while mkp transitioning into bc for what ever reason he had like 5 tanks and some hellbats and bunch of useless vikings and 2 banshees all dream had to do was a move from 2 fonts and he literally win. instead he decided to throw units aways by doing 2 completly useless drops. it was never more than 40 supply lead | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:50 Maasked wrote: Yup, clearly avilos build, the 'innovator of terran' and 'the bisu of sc2' Just kidding. not even NA players take anything avilo does or says as something viable vs high level players. I want to see what MKP does vs protoss, I'm hoping his time away will have somehow managed to let him find something crazy like his splits back in WoL that were INSANE at the time and changed TvZ completely. Maybe he can make TvP less stale! According to him: --> roll over and die. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
MKP building BCS. But he only gets away with this because Dream decides to build 80% marauders vs an already over 30 supply air army commitment. Dream scanned fusion core minutes in advance, and should have immediately begun 4-5 starports for viking + raven production while throwing away his bio supply as efficiently as possible. MKP is back :D but both players have no clue how to play lategame TvT. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:50 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh wow he picked a build that took advantage of the map structure? In what way does that NOT contribute to him completely outplaying Dream? Isn't that why the Proleague format is the way it is, to prepare specific builds for specific maps? I said you win stop asking condescending questions. And that is outPLANNING, not outplaying | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:45 Douillos wrote: MKP back from LoL, first game in Pro League, wins a TvT playing mech. Definitily one of the best games of this season. DEAL WITH IT. lol "coming back" he wasnt really good at LOL or did u see him play. Hasn't gone for long either, streamed and played all the while. Made many mistakes but in the end had better composition, if that is a "best games of this season"... sorry not even round 2, and that started yesterday... | ||
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Penguinator
United States837 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:50 Dinotramp wrote: When is Moonglade going to cast? I want to know this is as well. I was so excited about him going to Korea to help cast proleague, but he's just been in the crowd so far :'( | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On February 24 2014 20:49 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Just cuz dream didnt play well doesnt mean MKP did. It wasn't well played by either of them tbh Fair enough, but that's a constant with Marineking. His wins are hardly ever totally convincing, he has a tendency to play to the level of his opponent it's part of what makes him so frustrating at times to watch. | ||
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