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On February 07 2014 19:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:43 Butterz wrote:On February 07 2014 19:40 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 19:37 Douillos wrote:
Thanks for your answers. So basically mech looses to mass muta everytime? Depends, if you have a bunch of Ravens and Vikings you wont (Innovation vs Soulkey). The problem is if you overmake so much anti air you have no tanks to fight Swarm Hosts instead. Mech quite much needs to find the right composition and timing-push or get to BCs. Also, I would like to point out it is very map dependent. innovation lost that game badly in wich he mixed vikings and lots of ravens with thors ... thing is mech is inferior to bio vs zerg ... period why do korean terrans mech so much lately then though?
It got buffed quite a lot over time, tanks doing a bit of extra DPS via attack speed buff, combined upgrades. The style is a bit less multi-task intensive and more positional focused, which some people prefer. Its also strong in straight up fights against a lot of things. But yeah, the drawbacks of the immobility, the prospect of playing 1 hour games and the possibility of facing SH every game makes it very unappealing to me.
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On February 07 2014 19:40 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:38 Yello wrote:On February 07 2014 19:35 Destructicon wrote:
I hate muta base trades just as much as I hate swarm hosts. I recommend you to not play mech then because that's the 2 best ways to beat it Will Terrans, if they Mech, get to a point where they prepare for the base trade as Protoss sometimes do? Mass turrets at a base, for instance, the way Protoss cannon up. Turrets (and a couple of WM) are way better AA than Cannons too.
Mines take supply, so doubtful. Also lack of recall and slow as shit units make the basetrade really hard on bigger maps. You almost have to split up your army to kill the zerg bases before the mutas kill yours, and then you become very vulnerable to mutas picking off your forces piecemeal.
Honestly, if you go mech, there is no reason not to turtle into mass raven. It is probably the strongest overall comp in the game in a direct engagement.
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On February 07 2014 19:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:43 Butterz wrote:On February 07 2014 19:40 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 19:37 Douillos wrote:
Thanks for your answers. So basically mech looses to mass muta everytime? Depends, if you have a bunch of Ravens and Vikings you wont (Innovation vs Soulkey). The problem is if you overmake so much anti air you have no tanks to fight Swarm Hosts instead. Mech quite much needs to find the right composition and timing-push or get to BCs. Also, I would like to point out it is very map dependent. innovation lost that game badly in wich he mixed vikings and lots of ravens with thors ... thing is mech is inferior to bio vs zerg ... period why do korean terrans mech so much lately then though?
They got wins with it. A week ago, the standard was still the reaper -> hellion -> banshee into mech build which zergs interpreted as MMMM and got 11 for melee, before catching on. This allowed terrans like Flash to get an early advantage which they often translated into wins. Now we see a lot more scouting...
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On February 07 2014 19:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:43 Butterz wrote:On February 07 2014 19:40 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 19:37 Douillos wrote:
Thanks for your answers. So basically mech looses to mass muta everytime? Depends, if you have a bunch of Ravens and Vikings you wont (Innovation vs Soulkey). The problem is if you overmake so much anti air you have no tanks to fight Swarm Hosts instead. Mech quite much needs to find the right composition and timing-push or get to BCs. Also, I would like to point out it is very map dependent. innovation lost that game badly in wich he mixed vikings and lots of ravens with thors ... thing is mech is inferior to bio vs zerg ... period why do korean terrans mech so much lately then though?
They hate bio I guess. Or they like positional play better than aggressive play.
SuNo, why no mines?????
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On February 07 2014 19:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:43 Butterz wrote:On February 07 2014 19:40 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 19:37 Douillos wrote:
Thanks for your answers. So basically mech looses to mass muta everytime? Depends, if you have a bunch of Ravens and Vikings you wont (Innovation vs Soulkey). The problem is if you overmake so much anti air you have no tanks to fight Swarm Hosts instead. Mech quite much needs to find the right composition and timing-push or get to BCs. Also, I would like to point out it is very map dependent. innovation lost that game badly in wich he mixed vikings and lots of ravens with thors ... thing is mech is inferior to bio vs zerg ... period why do korean terrans mech so much lately then though?
Because every Korean Terran that has played Bio lately vs a "even ranked" Zerg has gotten masscred?
With Mech we have seen a lot of T victories (Flash especially in PL, also some other PL-games comes to mind).
I mean I guess ForGG can beat Lambo with Bio easy, but vs Soulkey and likes I dont think Bio cuts it anymore.
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On February 07 2014 19:42 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:42 GTPGlitch wrote:
Sorry team but I'm going to have to bail on LR for the next match, tired eyes and I want to make sure I can still see for SuNo's glorious comeback >.> aite thanks for the LRs! anyone want to take over?
I'll do it. Haven't done it in a long time though, so I'm a little out of shape :D
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On February 07 2014 19:45 nojok wrote:
The strat seemed so desperate from supernova. He's still top 3 terran in the world as he's in code S, no?
Well I would rate Taeja above him at least
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goooooo Leenock >o<;;;
I need this
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On February 07 2014 19:45 Butterz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:43 opterown wrote:On February 07 2014 19:43 Butterz wrote:On February 07 2014 19:40 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 19:37 Douillos wrote:
Thanks for your answers. So basically mech looses to mass muta everytime? Depends, if you have a bunch of Ravens and Vikings you wont (Innovation vs Soulkey). The problem is if you overmake so much anti air you have no tanks to fight Swarm Hosts instead. Mech quite much needs to find the right composition and timing-push or get to BCs. Also, I would like to point out it is very map dependent. innovation lost that game badly in wich he mixed vikings and lots of ravens with thors ... thing is mech is inferior to bio vs zerg ... period why do korean terrans mech so much lately then though? works sometimes ... many zergs are confused what to do at times ... but zergs like soulkey and leenock eat u up
Honestly I'm not too sure about leenocks response.
If suno showed a little better hellion/banshee control he could have taken both games.
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How did supernova play? Am I a madman for hoping he will still advance?
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On February 07 2014 19:45 nojok wrote:
The strat seemed so desperate from supernova. He's still top 3 terran in the world as he's in code S, no?
He had an easier run into code s, def not top 3.
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On February 07 2014 19:46 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:42 opterown wrote:On February 07 2014 19:42 GTPGlitch wrote:
Sorry team but I'm going to have to bail on LR for the next match, tired eyes and I want to make sure I can still see for SuNo's glorious comeback >.> aite thanks for the LRs! anyone want to take over? I'll do it. Haven't done it in a long time though, so I'm a little out of shape :D
awesome cheers!
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Well, I guess our chances for having our first terran advance to the RO 16 just went down the dumpster.
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On February 07 2014 19:46 Jerom wrote:
How did supernova play? Am I a madman for hoping he will still advance?
looked pretty meh tbh, meh control and builds were unremarkable
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On February 07 2014 19:47 Destructicon wrote:
Well, I guess our chances for having our first terran advance to the RO 16 just went down the dumpster.
There is no way Supernova will make it out today.
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mech is going to get figured out soon in hots like it got in wol and then mech players would look like jokers again ...
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On February 07 2014 19:46 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:42 opterown wrote:On February 07 2014 19:42 GTPGlitch wrote:
Sorry team but I'm going to have to bail on LR for the next match, tired eyes and I want to make sure I can still see for SuNo's glorious comeback >.> aite thanks for the LRs! anyone want to take over? I'll do it. Haven't done it in a long time though, so I'm a little out of shape :D
I imagine Yello putting on his old LR outfit, not sure if his belly will still fit.
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On February 07 2014 19:46 Jerom wrote:
How did supernova play? Am I a madman for hoping he will still advance?
Quite standard - and yes that would be mad :D
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On February 07 2014 19:46 Jerom wrote:
How did supernova play? Am I a madman for hoping he will still advance?
If he faces Leenock again: He won't advance. Hopefully his TvP is way better than his TvZ, because that was really not impressive at all...
He took damage he shouldn't take in both games, in the first game he almost died to a Roach attack (-> No tanks) and in the second game he... well... ruined his early game quite hard.
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Come on Leenock. Come on!!!
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