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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 16 2014 09:45 GMT
#301
protoss upgrades are cheaper and affects all units (in pvt) and can be chronoed. Never really understood why they made the upgrades cheaper
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#302
On January 16 2014 18:45 Chrispy wrote:
Man. Why can't Flash just win.

HE WAS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON.

Emphasis on the was
EHUEHUEHUEHE
Glorious SEA doto
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#303
On January 16 2014 18:42 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:34 SC2Toastie wrote:
I find these games disgusting. One race sitting on its arse and the other attempting EVERYTHING out of desperation because every burden is on him.....

Fun!


Have to agree with this. I'm not in any way saying that Flash is playing excellent and still losing but watching the current TvP meta is disgusting. I stopped watching SC2 but couldn't resist watching Flash playing today and seeing the state of TvP being just as before...

Oh well. One can hope that some other T style will one day be viable because this is just boring to watch.


just like TvZ in WoL... most infuriating is the 1click defense for protoss
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Mintie
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia563 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#304
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
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[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#305
On January 16 2014 18:42 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:41 Fusilero wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
According to the comments,

"Protoss is the new zerg"

it seems...

Beating flash is the new zerg


Even better!

I just want to see flash lose a TvT against a relative unknown, just to see the mental gymnastics flash fans would do to make it not his fault


Blame the design!

(Damn, indeed, he's only lost to good players in TvT it seems. The weakest would be Fantasy, but he's kind of a weird beast, with his floating-1k/1k-at-11-minutes wins).

LiquipediaWanderer
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#306
On January 16 2014 18:44 Jono7272 wrote:
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On January 16 2014 18:43 Parcelleus wrote:
So many average Terrans in this thread.

Any decent Terran knows Flash played to safe and scared. In game 2 he could of just moved back after sniping the 3rd and sniping the Templar Archives and get ahead even more. Instead he pulls scvs? didnt make sense. Flash showed he is still has worked to do.

WP Yonghwa.

He was too far behind in upgrades to play into the late game.. Couldn't afford armory and 2/2 after he crippled his econ with the first attack.

After he sniped his opponents 3rd and the archives he had more scvs and an extra base + a larger army.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#307
On January 16 2014 18:44 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:40 Big J wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.


it is when the P all in and you survive without being able to kill him. But storms and archons don't give a fuck about upgrades anyway.


well, that's why it's called allin. The game isn't even after that. It may not be over, but you are way ahead.
And you won't find a Protoss that has a purely Storm/Archon army from that situation. Most of his stuff would still benefit greatly from upgrades.


zealots don't deal that much dmg, they're just annoying to kill without hellbats. Most of the time the major part of the dmg is dealt by 10 units in every P comp. that's just the way it is, and while colossi sucks without attack upgrades, archon/ht/imo (vZ) don't need those. There is a reason why the 0/3 rush is a popular build.
Zest fanboy.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#308
On January 16 2014 18:40 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.



I don't have any specifics, but I have watched games where Protoss has cut upgrades at 2/2 while Terran has 3/3 and come out even. Or Terran is ahead on upgrades and Protoss just defends with Psi Storm (the most frustrating).
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#309
On January 16 2014 18:46 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
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[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.


ahaha
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#310
oh god, I hope he's not still sticking to 2-base muta. It seems so ineffective for him almost every time I've seen it.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#311
On January 16 2014 18:46 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
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[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.

Isn't he just named "BisuDagger" because Bisu means Dagger? I think I remember somethnig like that.
XPA
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany242 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#312
On January 16 2014 18:42 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

He scv pulled twice lol, and was ahead of his opponent in income and army the entire game


But he barely remade workers after the first pull. And yes you are ahead in income when you have mules and your supply shoud always be higher as a terran that has nothing to do with great macro.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#313
Hellion Banshee is like completely standard
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#314
On January 16 2014 18:46 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 papaz wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:34 SC2Toastie wrote:
I find these games disgusting. One race sitting on its arse and the other attempting EVERYTHING out of desperation because every burden is on him.....

Fun!


Have to agree with this. I'm not in any way saying that Flash is playing excellent and still losing but watching the current TvP meta is disgusting. I stopped watching SC2 but couldn't resist watching Flash playing today and seeing the state of TvP being just as before...

Oh well. One can hope that some other T style will one day be viable because this is just boring to watch.


just like TvZ in WoL... most infuriating is the 1click defense for protoss

I think msc is worse then queens
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#315
On January 16 2014 18:47 XPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 bo1b wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

He scv pulled twice lol, and was ahead of his opponent in income and army the entire game


But he barely remade workers after the first pull. And yes you are ahead in income when you have mules and your supply shoud always be higher as a terran that has nothing to do with great macro.

He went back up to 57 scvs, that was more then his opponent
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#316
On January 16 2014 18:47 NovaMB wrote:
Hellion Banshee is like completely standard


especially since mech is becoming fotm.
Zest fanboy.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#317
Well, maybe it won't be so bad against a mech terran
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#318
Disappointed at how much whining there is in this thread despite David Kim's assurances that the game is balanced.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#319
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
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The battle of the fearsome Ewoks!
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#320
On January 16 2014 18:41 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

Hahahaha


Yes, that's a nice one
the game is the game
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