• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:44
CEST 10:44
KST 17:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 24ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon275.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes33Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon HomeStory Cup In Early July 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch First season(s) of tastosis gomtv gsl vods? BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered?
Tourneys
The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Men's Fashion Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4462 users

[Code A] Group C Season 1 2014 - Page 16

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 77 Next
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 16 2014 09:45 GMT
#301
protoss upgrades are cheaper and affects all units (in pvt) and can be chronoed. Never really understood why they made the upgrades cheaper
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#302
On January 16 2014 18:45 Chrispy wrote:
Man. Why can't Flash just win.

HE WAS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON.

Emphasis on the was
EHUEHUEHUEHE
Glorious SEA doto
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#303
On January 16 2014 18:42 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:34 SC2Toastie wrote:
I find these games disgusting. One race sitting on its arse and the other attempting EVERYTHING out of desperation because every burden is on him.....

Fun!


Have to agree with this. I'm not in any way saying that Flash is playing excellent and still losing but watching the current TvP meta is disgusting. I stopped watching SC2 but couldn't resist watching Flash playing today and seeing the state of TvP being just as before...

Oh well. One can hope that some other T style will one day be viable because this is just boring to watch.


just like TvZ in WoL... most infuriating is the 1click defense for protoss
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Mintie
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia563 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#304
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#305
On January 16 2014 18:42 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:41 Fusilero wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
According to the comments,

"Protoss is the new zerg"

it seems...

Beating flash is the new zerg


Even better!

I just want to see flash lose a TvT against a relative unknown, just to see the mental gymnastics flash fans would do to make it not his fault


Blame the design!

(Damn, indeed, he's only lost to good players in TvT it seems. The weakest would be Fantasy, but he's kind of a weird beast, with his floating-1k/1k-at-11-minutes wins).

LiquipediaWanderer
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#306
On January 16 2014 18:44 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:43 Parcelleus wrote:
So many average Terrans in this thread.

Any decent Terran knows Flash played to safe and scared. In game 2 he could of just moved back after sniping the 3rd and sniping the Templar Archives and get ahead even more. Instead he pulls scvs? didnt make sense. Flash showed he is still has worked to do.

WP Yonghwa.

He was too far behind in upgrades to play into the late game.. Couldn't afford armory and 2/2 after he crippled his econ with the first attack.

After he sniped his opponents 3rd and the archives he had more scvs and an extra base + a larger army.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#307
On January 16 2014 18:44 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:40 Big J wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.


it is when the P all in and you survive without being able to kill him. But storms and archons don't give a fuck about upgrades anyway.


well, that's why it's called allin. The game isn't even after that. It may not be over, but you are way ahead.
And you won't find a Protoss that has a purely Storm/Archon army from that situation. Most of his stuff would still benefit greatly from upgrades.


zealots don't deal that much dmg, they're just annoying to kill without hellbats. Most of the time the major part of the dmg is dealt by 10 units in every P comp. that's just the way it is, and while colossi sucks without attack upgrades, archon/ht/imo (vZ) don't need those. There is a reason why the 0/3 rush is a popular build.
Zest fanboy.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#308
On January 16 2014 18:40 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.



I don't have any specifics, but I have watched games where Protoss has cut upgrades at 2/2 while Terran has 3/3 and come out even. Or Terran is ahead on upgrades and Protoss just defends with Psi Storm (the most frustrating).
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#309
On January 16 2014 18:46 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.


ahaha
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#310
oh god, I hope he's not still sticking to 2-base muta. It seems so ineffective for him almost every time I've seen it.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#311
On January 16 2014 18:46 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I think it's safe to say that there isn't going to be anyone called "BravoDagger" any time soon.

Isn't he just named "BisuDagger" because Bisu means Dagger? I think I remember somethnig like that.
XPA
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany242 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#312
On January 16 2014 18:42 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

He scv pulled twice lol, and was ahead of his opponent in income and army the entire game


But he barely remade workers after the first pull. And yes you are ahead in income when you have mules and your supply shoud always be higher as a terran that has nothing to do with great macro.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#313
Hellion Banshee is like completely standard
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:47 GMT
#314
On January 16 2014 18:46 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 papaz wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:34 SC2Toastie wrote:
I find these games disgusting. One race sitting on its arse and the other attempting EVERYTHING out of desperation because every burden is on him.....

Fun!


Have to agree with this. I'm not in any way saying that Flash is playing excellent and still losing but watching the current TvP meta is disgusting. I stopped watching SC2 but couldn't resist watching Flash playing today and seeing the state of TvP being just as before...

Oh well. One can hope that some other T style will one day be viable because this is just boring to watch.


just like TvZ in WoL... most infuriating is the 1click defense for protoss

I think msc is worse then queens
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#315
On January 16 2014 18:47 XPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:42 bo1b wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

He scv pulled twice lol, and was ahead of his opponent in income and army the entire game


But he barely remade workers after the first pull. And yes you are ahead in income when you have mules and your supply shoud always be higher as a terran that has nothing to do with great macro.

He went back up to 57 scvs, that was more then his opponent
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#316
On January 16 2014 18:47 NovaMB wrote:
Hellion Banshee is like completely standard


especially since mech is becoming fotm.
Zest fanboy.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#317
Well, maybe it won't be so bad against a mech terran
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#318
Disappointed at how much whining there is in this thread despite David Kim's assurances that the game is balanced.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#319
On January 16 2014 18:44 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


The battle of the fearsome Ewoks!
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
January 16 2014 09:48 GMT
#320
On January 16 2014 18:41 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

Hahahaha


Yes, that's a nice one
the game is the game
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 77 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Codebar 45
ProTech18
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 680
Hyuk 463
Leta 146
Dewaltoss 141
ggaemo 130
Soma 99
Free 83
Aegong 78
JYJ 69
Mind 60
[ Show more ]
actioN 59
soO 55
910 45
sorry 41
Larva 38
ZergMaN 33
Light 29
Bale 17
Noble 15
Sharp 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dota 2
XaKoH 275
NeuroSwarm212
League of Legends
Doublelift3211
JimRising 614
Counter-Strike
summit1g6068
olofmeister788
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King123
Other Games
Livibee75
Sick23
kaitlyn17
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream208
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 24
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota277
League of Legends
• Jankos2655
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
1h 16m
HomeStory Cup
2h 16m
Replay Cast
15h 16m
HomeStory Cup
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
HomeStory Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S3: W1
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.