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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 16 2014 09:39 GMT
#261
According to the comments,

"Protoss is the new zerg"

it seems...
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AstroPegnuin
Profile Joined November 2012
293 Posts
January 16 2014 09:39 GMT
#262
On January 16 2014 18:37 MisterTea wrote:
I dunno, at one point Yonghwa had 2 stalkers 1 zealot and a msc vs 16marines 4marauders he should of been dead with less than half the army supply all the while churning out every upgrade possible (except storm) just felt incredibly frustrating to watch


Flash could of killed him if he attacked right after the 2cnd photon overcharge and probably of done good damage even if YongHwa controlled well, but he decided to wait for his medivacs which imo were a mistake but he might of not known that YongHwas gates were added later on
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:39 GMT
#263
On January 16 2014 18:38 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:33 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:32 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:30 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:29 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:28 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:27 Pandemona wrote:
Seriously WTF are KT coaches teaching Flash about this game? ;_;
WOOOOOOOOOW. KESPA need to invest in some people who have played SC2 before to teach the players who clearly don't understand the game/be able to read situations properly.


i think he read it well and his build is quite good this game


No he clearly hasn't at all


he was against a late third and had a scv pull /w emp planned, it was quite decent with a better fight it was a free win. Yonghwa reacted really well but it was still easily winnable.
and still gonna win. good insight you had


No way. He had a 20 supply lead at one stage like 80toss 100terran then he decided to make a 3rd after being able to kill 2 colli 2 stalker no overcharge with the army he had. He then went home sat by this 3rd way to late and was BEHIND already on workers somehow??????
To then think ok lets pull some SCVs and attack a 3rd ?? Into 6 colli with his Vikings not even doing anything.

Now you get a Toss double forge just destroying you with upgrades


yonghwa had like 10 ff, no way flash would be able to get those 2colossi with like 4marau and mass marines? Do you even play the game? coz those moves are the best way to throw.


He didn't have any sentry?! He had nothing left on his MSC which observer pointed out. He had more than that because his medivac was ready and there, might of even been 4 there at one point. Then he pokes sees colli runs back. Waits to get "more army" to then go and attack into timewarp to realize ahh time to run away. At the point of where he should attack there wasn't any sentry.

If you think that army isn't enough to kill that, you should go watch what maru does to protoss who do that greedy opening ;_;


Maru goes 5rax, up to 6medivac and kills the P when he takes a 3rd. He doesn't go ham on a 2basing P lol.
Zest fanboy.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
January 16 2014 09:39 GMT
#264
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
January 16 2014 09:40 GMT
#265
On January 16 2014 18:38 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:37 MisterTea wrote:
I dunno, at one point Yonghwa had 2 stalkers 1 zealot and a msc vs 16marines 4marauders he should of been dead with less than half the army supply all the while churning out every upgrade possible (except storm) just felt incredibly frustrating to watch

Was it actually that? Cause Flash can just kill him if he has that lol

He went literally blink, robo bay and forge on 1 gateway.

Maybe Flash could've tried running up a ramp but a single hidden sentry would've prevented that.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
January 16 2014 09:40 GMT
#266
On January 16 2014 18:38 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:33 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:32 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:30 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:29 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:28 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:27 Pandemona wrote:
Seriously WTF are KT coaches teaching Flash about this game? ;_;
WOOOOOOOOOW. KESPA need to invest in some people who have played SC2 before to teach the players who clearly don't understand the game/be able to read situations properly.


i think he read it well and his build is quite good this game


No he clearly hasn't at all


he was against a late third and had a scv pull /w emp planned, it was quite decent with a better fight it was a free win. Yonghwa reacted really well but it was still easily winnable.
and still gonna win. good insight you had


No way. He had a 20 supply lead at one stage like 80toss 100terran then he decided to make a 3rd after being able to kill 2 colli 2 stalker no overcharge with the army he had. He then went home sat by this 3rd way to late and was BEHIND already on workers somehow??????
To then think ok lets pull some SCVs and attack a 3rd ?? Into 6 colli with his Vikings not even doing anything.

Now you get a Toss double forge just destroying you with upgrades


yonghwa had like 10 ff, no way flash would be able to get those 2colossi with like 4marau and mass marines? Do you even play the game? coz those moves are the best way to throw.


He didn't have any sentry?! He had nothing left on his MSC which observer pointed out. He had more than that because his medivac was ready and there, might of even been 4 there at one point. Then he pokes sees colli runs back. Waits to get "more army" to then go and attack into timewarp to realize ahh time to run away. At the point of where he should attack there wasn't any sentry.

If you think that army isn't enough to kill that, you should go watch what maru does to protoss who do that greedy opening ;_;

Cant compare though to be fair,
both games weve seen Maru in PL do the same timing Protoss has opened Stargate into a quick third and that is where Maru has taken the fight.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
XPA
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany242 Posts
January 16 2014 09:40 GMT
#267
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 16 2014 09:40 GMT
#268
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#269
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


you can't win 1/1 vs 3/3 except if you double the P pop. That's it, if he hits a 1/1 vs 2/2 timing it's a free win.
Zest fanboy.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#270
Alright, time for the revival of Leenock!
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#271
On January 16 2014 18:40 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:38 Fyzar wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:37 MisterTea wrote:
I dunno, at one point Yonghwa had 2 stalkers 1 zealot and a msc vs 16marines 4marauders he should of been dead with less than half the army supply all the while churning out every upgrade possible (except storm) just felt incredibly frustrating to watch

Was it actually that? Cause Flash can just kill him if he has that lol

He went literally blink, robo bay and forge on 1 gateway.

Maybe Flash could've tried running up a ramp but a single hidden sentry would've prevented that.

Then why is everyone complaining lol.. I know everyone hates the MSC but if he has one gate you can kill him x]..
It appears I have been chosen.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#272
15 minutes is lategame defense? lol wolf
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#273
On January 16 2014 18:34 Lunareste wrote:
this is crap.

this is honestly just fucking crap.

9 minutes in, only two stalkers and a MSC.

11 minutes, survives SCV pull with about 18 units.

Hold up, lemme just get blink, +2/+2, range, and 4 more gateways off of 1 collosi, and 4 stalkers...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#274
On January 16 2014 18:40 XPA wrote:
Seriously I don´t like TvP at all, but you can´t balance whine after this game...Yes, losing your Temlar Tech doesn´t matter that much, when he sends SCVs in your Colossus fire. Plus YongHwa was going for more Colossus than normal. And behind that Flashs Macro was terrible. Just before the game ended he had like 35 SCVs.

Hahahaha
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#275
On January 16 2014 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
According to the comments,

"Protoss is the new zerg"

it seems...

Beating flash is the new zerg
Glorious SEA doto
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#276
Had flash just maxed on ghost viking after he sniped the third + templar archives there was probably no way of yonghwa winning. Honestly it's a bit silly that he decided to try and be aggressive vs a protoss on a map with that many chokeholds.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 16 2014 09:41 GMT
#277
On January 16 2014 18:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Alright, time for the revival of Leenock!

That'd be really sweet. Hopefully he can do better than Gumiho yesterday.
Flash | Mvp
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 16 2014 09:42 GMT
#278
On January 16 2014 18:40 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:39 shockaslim wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:36 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:35 Fjodorov wrote:
was like 180 vs 140 supply in that last fight with scv pull and NO storm. And somehow Yonghwa won... Comparing g1 and g2 and comeback potentials its quite clear how this matchup works. Yonghwa didnt even have best comeback weapon , Storm


upgrades are even better.


Well, see, thats one of my beefs with the matchup to be honest. When Terran is ahead on upgrades they can still get rolled. But if it is the other way around I don't think the Terran ever wins.


I don't think you have any evidence to support that, since Terran is NEVER ahead on upgrades if the game isn't already over.


it is when the P all in and you survive without being able to kill him. But storms and archons don't give a fuck about upgrades anyway.
Zest fanboy.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 16 2014 09:42 GMT
#279
On January 16 2014 18:41 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
According to the comments,

"Protoss is the new zerg"

it seems...

Beating flash is the new zerg


Even better!
LiquipediaWanderer
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 16 2014 09:42 GMT
#280
On January 16 2014 18:39 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 18:38 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:33 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:32 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:30 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:29 Pandemona wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:28 sAsImre wrote:
On January 16 2014 18:27 Pandemona wrote:
Seriously WTF are KT coaches teaching Flash about this game? ;_;
WOOOOOOOOOW. KESPA need to invest in some people who have played SC2 before to teach the players who clearly don't understand the game/be able to read situations properly.


i think he read it well and his build is quite good this game


No he clearly hasn't at all


he was against a late third and had a scv pull /w emp planned, it was quite decent with a better fight it was a free win. Yonghwa reacted really well but it was still easily winnable.
and still gonna win. good insight you had


No way. He had a 20 supply lead at one stage like 80toss 100terran then he decided to make a 3rd after being able to kill 2 colli 2 stalker no overcharge with the army he had. He then went home sat by this 3rd way to late and was BEHIND already on workers somehow??????
To then think ok lets pull some SCVs and attack a 3rd ?? Into 6 colli with his Vikings not even doing anything.

Now you get a Toss double forge just destroying you with upgrades


yonghwa had like 10 ff, no way flash would be able to get those 2colossi with like 4marau and mass marines? Do you even play the game? coz those moves are the best way to throw.


He didn't have any sentry?! He had nothing left on his MSC which observer pointed out. He had more than that because his medivac was ready and there, might of even been 4 there at one point. Then he pokes sees colli runs back. Waits to get "more army" to then go and attack into timewarp to realize ahh time to run away. At the point of where he should attack there wasn't any sentry.

If you think that army isn't enough to kill that, you should go watch what maru does to protoss who do that greedy opening ;_;


Maru goes 5rax, up to 6medivac and kills the P when he takes a 3rd. He doesn't go ham on a 2basing P lol.


He wasn't 2 basing, he wanted a 3rd and couldn't get it. When he put his 3rd nexus down he had 56 probes vs 53 SCVs of Flash. Now thats either Flash stopping SCV production to early or YongHwa whilst defending with 2colli 2stalker and seeing the bio force of Flash all game long with observer, being greedier than Ret
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