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Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
January 12 2014 12:15 GMT
#381
Now i would like the P to win.
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
January 12 2014 12:16 GMT
#382
That third was unkillable but that will be fixed by the metagame eventually

What really soured me was losing significant army units at that third
IMMVP // HIKARU NAKAMURA // DEREK JETER // GARETH BALE
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 12 2014 12:16 GMT
#383
On January 12 2014 21:15 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


you die vs mass gateway units with a fast 3rd. You just need to capitalize on upg and do some risky dropping.


Damn i'm really bad with my terran vs protoss knowledge nowadays Thanks for the clarification people.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
January 12 2014 12:16 GMT
#384
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
January 12 2014 12:16 GMT
#385
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?

parting most likely
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 12 2014 12:16 GMT
#386
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?


They have lots of good players
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 12 2014 12:17 GMT
#387
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?


It's crowded at the top with Parting, Rain and Soulkey all being serious contenders for the spot.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 12 2014 12:17 GMT
#388
On January 12 2014 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:12 Teoita wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


He couldnt move out and instead decided to go 5rax before 3rd cc to do tons of damage off two bases. That's viable because the toss' aoe will be pretty late, but giving away those initial units at his third pretty much made his aggression useless.


From what i've seen Flash does not go really fast 3rd this day I would have love him to put his 3rd the time he scouted the 3rd of parting


He couldn't get a fast 3rd because of the threat of Oracles and blink all-in, he was forced to get the follow up 2 rax because he saw the masses of GWs, and even if he hadn't lost his initial force, he wouldn't have had enough to break the 3rd, because of the masses of GW and PO. Basically it was sort of a build order win, every choice Flash would have made would have been a bad one.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 12 2014 12:17 GMT
#389
Next time flash will go fast expand, 1 banshee, fast third and destroy that P going for an aggressive 2 base build
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 12:19:15
January 12 2014 12:17 GMT
#390
On January 12 2014 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:12 Teoita wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


He couldnt move out and instead decided to go 5rax before 3rd cc to do tons of damage off two bases. That's viable because the toss' aoe will be pretty late, but giving away those initial units at his third pretty much made his aggression useless.


From what i've seen Flash does not go really fast 3rd this day I would have love him to put his 3rd the time he scouted the 3rd of parting


then he dies even more stupidly. He chose an anti blink build, Parting being more intelligent than your average T just capitalized on it instead of playing in Flash's hands, insta bo advantage that is as close as a bo win that you can get.

Every P just played in T hands so far, took a while before they realized their all in were countered before the game begun considering the builds T have been playing.
Zest fanboy.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#391
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?


Parting or Soulkey I'd say. Rain and soO are also very strong.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#392
On January 12 2014 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:12 Teoita wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


He couldnt move out and instead decided to go 5rax before 3rd cc to do tons of damage off two bases. That's viable because the toss' aoe will be pretty late, but giving away those initial units at his third pretty much made his aggression useless.


From what i've seen Flash does not go really fast 3rd this day I would have love him to put his 3rd the time he scouted the 3rd of parting

Building your third passively after Protoss' third means you lose as well, either to a massive Gateway timing or simply because you can't inflict any kind of damage with your lower unit count and thus Protoss develops freely and steamrolls you later.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#393
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?

That's really hard to answer, since Soulkey, Rain and Parting all are pretty much ace caliber
Which is one of the reasons that tehy are the favorites to take the season by far.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#394
I'm pretty amazed that people here seriously believe that getting a fast third off of an Oracle opening is somehow a build order win in PvT.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#395
On January 12 2014 21:10 Teoita wrote:
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On January 12 2014 21:08 Mintie wrote:
wow, Parting looking really dominant. Flash's build is really really safe - I wonder if the opening means that he can't punish that early 3rd base at all? Regardless, Parting played really well.


It does. Parting accepted he'd be down in upgrades but was able to power up his gate count because of it.

Flash always gets a sick fast ebay to have 1/1 with his medivac pressure and turrets in time for oracles or dt's, but his unit count in the early/midgame is crazy low until medivacs are out. Parting just scouted that with his oracle and responded perfectly.


Its a bit funny you start talking about balance with something like this,
then when someone says "well maybe that doesnt make sence" you tell everyone to cut balance talk.

Looks a bit bad to start a "balance discussion" by adding your own thought and when someone tells something else you say "cut the talking" Almost like you are allmighty and what you say is correct. If anyone claims anything else, you mod them?

Ehh..
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#396
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?

Probably PartinG or Soulkey. But Rain is also a beast. And soO is pretty good as well. SKT is the best team in the world atm., it is hard to single one player out of that line-up.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 12:19:34
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#397
On January 12 2014 21:17 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:12 Teoita wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


He couldnt move out and instead decided to go 5rax before 3rd cc to do tons of damage off two bases. That's viable because the toss' aoe will be pretty late, but giving away those initial units at his third pretty much made his aggression useless.


From what i've seen Flash does not go really fast 3rd this day I would have love him to put his 3rd the time he scouted the 3rd of parting


He couldn't get a fast 3rd because of the threat of Oracles and blink all-in, he was forced to get the follow up 2 rax because he saw the masses of GWs, and even if he hadn't lost his initial force, he wouldn't have had enough to break the 3rd, because of the masses of GW and PO. Basically it was sort of a build order win, every choice Flash would have made would have been a bad one.


REALLY BAD knowledge damn it. I didn't even understood that Been too long i watched seriously SC2.

Again. Thanks to all of you for explaining.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#398
On January 12 2014 21:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Just got back to watching SC seriously again so I have a question. Who is the best player on SKT currently?

All of them.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#399
I'm glad Protoss started to play properly vs T again this week. :p
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
January 12 2014 12:18 GMT
#400
On January 12 2014 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 21:12 Teoita wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:09 Swiipii wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 12 2014 21:07 ionONE wrote:
completely outplayed? lol at sc2


Yes. Completly outplay. Scout fast third base. Don't punish and stay on 2base.

You can't punish. The Protoss expects you to come out and deny the third so his gate units wreck you.


Oh come on.. You scout fast third and you don't move out or take a fast 3rd on your own ?


He couldnt move out and instead decided to go 5rax before 3rd cc to do tons of damage off two bases. That's viable because the toss' aoe will be pretty late, but giving away those initial units at his third pretty much made his aggression useless.


From what i've seen Flash does not go really fast 3rd this day I would have love him to put his 3rd the time he scouted the 3rd of parting

You will have to hold your third base with 3 rax against time warp blinker stalkers from 8 gates on a map where its hard to get good engagements.
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