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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#3881
Jaedong unbeatable with my earphones, ezpz.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
December 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#3882
Gogo Scarlett avenge Inno.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
December 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#3883
On December 08 2013 07:19 Veroleg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 06:49 Andwhy wrote:
There is so much misinformation in this thread I had to log in and comment.

Innovation is certainly NOT the greatest RTS player of all time. In the Starcraft scene, that HAS to be Flash (or one of the other BW bonjwas). And that is entirely ignoring the solid WC3 scene, which is to discredit Grubby's achievements. Jaedong is good, and his consistency after the game switch is impressive, but looking at his body of work, he is certainly no Flash and maybe not even a Grubby.

you want to put jaedong below some bonjwa in some unknown game as well? because thats what youre doing with the grubby comparison. they arent equal in any way


"Unknown Game" wow...
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#3884
On December 08 2013 07:19 Veroleg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 06:49 Andwhy wrote:
There is so much misinformation in this thread I had to log in and comment.

Innovation is certainly NOT the greatest RTS player of all time. In the Starcraft scene, that HAS to be Flash (or one of the other BW bonjwas). And that is entirely ignoring the solid WC3 scene, which is to discredit Grubby's achievements. Jaedong is good, and his consistency after the game switch is impressive, but looking at his body of work, he is certainly no Flash and maybe not even a Grubby.

you want to put jaedong below some bonjwa in some unknown game as well? because thats what youre doing with the grubby comparison. they arent equal in any way

Wacraft III is not... an unknown game.
Neosteel Enthusiast
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45248 Posts
December 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#3885
On December 08 2013 07:20 Pandain wrote:
As a Jaedong fan, I feel obliged to post this.
Remember this guys




Remember that "never die" means "never die". I love you, Jaedong <3
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3886
stuichu I hope you have the dead sheep ready
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3887
On December 08 2013 07:19 Veroleg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 06:49 Andwhy wrote:
There is so much misinformation in this thread I had to log in and comment.

Innovation is certainly NOT the greatest RTS player of all time. In the Starcraft scene, that HAS to be Flash (or one of the other BW bonjwas). And that is entirely ignoring the solid WC3 scene, which is to discredit Grubby's achievements. Jaedong is good, and his consistency after the game switch is impressive, but looking at his body of work, he is certainly no Flash and maybe not even a Grubby.

you want to put jaedong below some bonjwa in some unknown game as well? because thats what youre doing with the grubby comparison. they arent equal in any way

If you want to go full retard can you please do it elsewhere
Glorious SEA doto
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3888
oh man doesn't matter who wins, it's gonna be huge!
don't count scarlett out, she took down Life 3-0, she can make the Kong line continue!
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3889
On December 08 2013 07:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 07:20 Pandain wrote:
As a Jaedong fan, I feel obliged to post this.
Remember this guys
https://twitter.com/EGJaedong/status/399369801719488512



Remember that "never die" means "never die". I love you, Jaedong <3


He spelt Jaekong wrong.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3890
Some crazy german guy is waving a sword
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3891
On December 08 2013 07:20 Pandain wrote:
As a Jaedong fan, I feel obliged to post this.
Remember this guys
https://twitter.com/EGJaedong/status/399369801719488512



FUCK YES.

TYRANT FIGHTING
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3892
On December 08 2013 07:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 07:14 Melliflue wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:10 StutteR wrote:
Wait why is Soulkey not in Proleague?


Hard to participate with 2 players. Really hope they can ally with someone though

Which pro league team wouldn't want Soulkey and sOs? It would be a shame if they weren't in pro league next season.


Would be awesome if there was like a team of players that want to participate but their team can't. You could have a team with Soulkey, sOs, Jaedong, HerO, Taeja, San and possibly others :O

We can hope for a EGTLWJSSTX team
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3893
Never die was his clan in BW btw
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3894
On December 08 2013 07:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Some crazy german guy is waving a sword


That is the standard german guy, you havent seen the crazy ones yet
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 22:23:00
December 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#3895
On December 08 2013 07:06 Hiea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 07:03 Hider wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:01 Hiea wrote:
On December 08 2013 06:59 TheDwf wrote:
On December 08 2013 06:58 Hiea wrote:
If Innovation had just kept on making SCV's after that he would have won that game easily.

He had this amount of units precisely because he cut SCVs.


He should have started SCV's when once he pushed into the natural, after his units there then got cleaned up he should have gone home, if he had done that he would have a lot of medivacs, about 55 SCV's by the time the mutas got cross map.

However he doesn't have the power of the observer, he probably thought he was further behind than he was.


Nah he had the same information as we did - JD basically had 71 drones and no army with Mutas soon to be coming out. If he really wanted to cut scv's, he should have just pulled at the time he made the initial pressure. Pulling after the initial pressure makes no sense regardless of how you look at it.


He may have seen some things, but the way he played he thought he was further behind than he actually was.

If you're behind then you have 2 options, go extreme greed, which only works really early game (before 10 minutes), or attack and hope for a miracle, if he understood the positions he would have stopped attacking, which is why I think he misread something or just kinda derped in the end, who knows.


I don't think that makes sense. If he was further behind economically than he actually was --> It makes sense to go for an allin.

However, that's extremely unlikely as JD in reality had 71 drones, which meant that he probably assessed that situation correctly (he was in reality super far behind economically).

If he was further behind army-wise ---> doens't make sense to all in --> makes sense to play a passive game and avoid army trading.

Chances are that he asseesed the situation correctly but made the wrong decision in not pulling scv's with the first push.
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 22:23:17
December 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#3896
First time I have been hyped for a final of a tourny for a while. I will be happy if either wins but I am pulling for Scarlett.
Edit: But then again I do have JD's sig and I am an EG fan... damn I am so hyped. Please give me a 4-3 series!
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#3897
GO Scarlett Go Acer!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#3898
On December 08 2013 07:21 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 07:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:14 Melliflue wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:10 StutteR wrote:
Wait why is Soulkey not in Proleague?


Hard to participate with 2 players. Really hope they can ally with someone though

Which pro league team wouldn't want Soulkey and sOs? It would be a shame if they weren't in pro league next season.


Would be awesome if there was like a team of players that want to participate but their team can't. You could have a team with Soulkey, sOs, Jaedong, HerO, Taeja, San and possibly others :O

We can hope for a EGTLWJSSTX team


also alliance (nani) :o
WhteBear
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece2 Posts
December 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#3899
On December 08 2013 07:20 Pandain wrote:
As a Jaedong fan, I feel obliged to post this.
Remember this guys
https://twitter.com/EGJaedong/status/399369801719488512


Like it
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#3900
On December 08 2013 07:21 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 07:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:14 Melliflue wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 08 2013 07:10 StutteR wrote:
Wait why is Soulkey not in Proleague?


Hard to participate with 2 players. Really hope they can ally with someone though

Which pro league team wouldn't want Soulkey and sOs? It would be a shame if they weren't in pro league next season.


Would be awesome if there was like a team of players that want to participate but their team can't. You could have a team with Soulkey, sOs, Jaedong, HerO, Taeja, San and possibly others :O

We can hope for a EGTLWJSSTX team

No love for flash wolves, how is san supposed to get in on this
Glorious SEA doto
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