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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 07 2013 12:26 GMT
#241
On December 07 2013 21:25 ApolloSC2 wrote:
Expecting lots of aggression from Stardust here in this series

What no really!?!?

Ahem. Sorry. I love you Apollo, please never doubt that.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 07 2013 12:27 GMT
#242
I love how Khaldor gets these stats and mentions them on stream, wish more casters would do things like this!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 07 2013 12:27 GMT
#243
On December 07 2013 21:13 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 21:04 m0ck wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:58 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:57 m0ck wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:55 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:54 m0ck wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:53 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 20:49 m0ck wrote:
Those build order wins


If being intelligent is a build order win then yes, he won this series with build orders alone

It looks that way when it works


Does it strike you as strange that he makes it work so frequently?

Life looses plenty of ZvZs due to his risky/all in'ish style


And is currently on a 7-match win streak. I would love to be that lucky.

And before that lost 4 out of 5..

In fact, going by Aligulacs rating, ZvZ is by far his weakest match-up.

Intelligent or not, an all-in on top of a feint is still an all-in. And all-ins are all about taking a big risk for an effortless victory. Not that there is anything wrong with that.


Going by Aligulac's rating, ZvZ is the match-up that Life has improved in the most over the last 2 months.

Anyway, most of these all-ins are used in response to an opponent playing greedy. Greed is supposed to be a risk, an economic gamble. When you scout greed, you punish it. RTS games typically work like that. There is risk involved in a blind 10pool as well. If it's stopped, you'll fall very far behind economically. There's a balance - you're rewarded when your gambles pay off, and you're rewarded if you manage to punish your opponent for theirs. Players like Life and Soulkey can make their all-ins even stronger because they have flawless macro and incredible micro. Not anyone can pull of an all-in like that. It's not inconceivable that some players could have held that very all-in in Vortix's situation, given the same information.

Obviously, being aggressive is not the only way of playing high risk-high reward. You could say that Life took a risk that Vortix would take a risk. And he got it right. And so he looks brilliant. But that is also why judging attacks like that after the fact is a bit misleading. It's either triumph or failure. And at the bottom of it all is build orders (with a feint-cherry on top).

Personally, I find there to be more interesting SC2 matches. But then again, I did want Vortix to win ^^
ApolloSC2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom804 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 12:28:02
December 07 2013 12:27 GMT
#244
Scouting and reading the game will be very important for Scarlett here, if she understands whats going on, I am expecting her decisions to be excellent and her macro on form. Lets go!!
www.twitter.com/apollosc2
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
December 07 2013 12:28 GMT
#245
On December 07 2013 21:27 DJHelium wrote:
I love how Khaldor gets these stats and mentions them on stream, wish more casters would do things like this!

As soon as Aligulac's API is up, I'd like tournaments to start using it.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 07 2013 12:28 GMT
#246
On December 07 2013 21:28 WigglingSquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 21:27 DJHelium wrote:
I love how Khaldor gets these stats and mentions them on stream, wish more casters would do things like this!

As soon as Aligulac's API is up, I'd like tournaments to start using it.


API? Explain!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
December 07 2013 12:28 GMT
#247
On December 07 2013 21:27 ApolloSC2 wrote:
Scouting and reading the game will be very important for Scarlett here, if she understands whats going on, I am expecting her decisions to be excellent and her macro on form. Lets go!!

That was an unfortunate typo
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
December 07 2013 12:29 GMT
#248
On December 07 2013 21:27 ApolloSC2 wrote:
Scouting and reading the game will be very important for Scarlett here, if she understands whats going on, I am expecting her decisions to be excellent and her macro on form. Lets go!!

it's cool to have you there today
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
December 07 2013 12:29 GMT
#249
On December 07 2013 21:27 ApolloSC2 wrote:
Scouting and reading the game will be very important for Scarlett here, if she understands whats going on, I am expecting her decisions to be excellent and her macro on form. Lets go!!

Who do you think will take the series ?
It appears I have been chosen.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
December 07 2013 12:29 GMT
#250
Hmm. Old skewl soul train?
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
December 07 2013 12:29 GMT
#251
Scarlett forgot speed?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 07 2013 12:30 GMT
#252
Instant surround on the stalker
Neosteel Enthusiast
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
December 07 2013 12:30 GMT
#253
On December 07 2013 21:28 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 21:28 WigglingSquid wrote:
On December 07 2013 21:27 DJHelium wrote:
I love how Khaldor gets these stats and mentions them on stream, wish more casters would do things like this!

As soon as Aligulac's API is up, I'd like tournaments to start using it.


API? Explain!

A way for software to automatically pull Aligulac stats/inference without having a human manually visit the website.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
December 07 2013 12:30 GMT
#254
On December 07 2013 21:29 Swiipii wrote:
Scarlett forgot speed?

I think it was intentional. I think she wanted to rush into roach hydra. But she just started it so maybe I'm wrong...
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 07 2013 12:31 GMT
#255
Scarlett already has her hydras I think she can defend this
Moderatorlickypiddy
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 07 2013 12:31 GMT
#256
Hydras are a pretty good counter to immortal all-in right?
Neosteel Enthusiast
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 07 2013 12:32 GMT
#257
solid play from scarlett
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 07 2013 12:32 GMT
#258
EZ. Many hydra
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
December 07 2013 12:32 GMT
#259
On December 07 2013 21:30 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 21:29 Swiipii wrote:
Scarlett forgot speed?

I think it was intentional. I think she wanted to rush into roach hydra. But she just started it so maybe I'm wrong...

Well it's working out great! :D
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
December 07 2013 12:32 GMT
#260
Wow terrible forcefield, I dont think he positioned the sentries right, also, no meat shield.
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
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