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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:08 vthree wrote: Well, Scarlett's ZvT is definitely up there. She straight up outplayed him. Twice. Once on a map with a gold base. I don't know where this Idea came from that Bomber just derped in those games, he played his regular brand of TvZ. Scarlett was just better than him, period. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:09 ArTiFaKs wrote: Everyone recommending these boring ass TvZ's ? You kidding me? Same thing over and over the past 3 games, not to mention the past 4 months. Such a shame, thank god there won't be a TvZ finals. It is not the same thing. Maru played mech and Bomber opened with marine - tank push into bio+mine in game 1 and he ditched mines completely in game 2. Not sure what would you expect as different. Sky terran ?  | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:07 Squat wrote: Bomber is typically very late with his expos, he seems to want to keep a tight cluster of bases that are easy to defend, and then rely on macro to overwhelm the zerg before he needs more bases. Anyway, seeing this kind of puts Scarlett's wins at red bull and IEM over Bomber into perspective. I didnt see bombers main to much but im guessing he had 1 turret at most as usual. He had none at third. Mutas are garbage in actual fight against pure bio so I think breaking the parade and possibly damaging production/economy is what you should use mutas for vs this. Scarlett is way more active with her mutas. Bombers unit control has been exceptional today though, so good | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:10 Dark.Carnival wrote: banelings work perfect against pure bio if you're not a-moving your banelings. he also made roaches which was like the worst choice he could have possibly made. at least he tried to flank but he spent so much money getting out useless roaches he basically killed himself Do they have a higher target priority than banelings? I'd have thought they were just to get the banelings close, but the splits were so ridicuous and the re-enforcements so constant that it wasn't gonna work. | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:10 liberate71 wrote: Yeah it seems like that wouldve been the way to go, but I'd have to assume he's used that kinda of play before and had some success with it, he probably just didn't expect such ridiculous macro like bombers to tear his army down. Yeah the constant aggression and continuous push after Bomber's just lost a large army probably surprised him into making a few panic roaches, and I guess if you don't expect constant aggression like that you may not be prepared to throw some infestors into your army. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:10 Qwerty85 wrote: Bomber is very inconsistent player. Not sure if any conclusions can be made when someone beats/loses to Bomber. It all depends on which Bomber shows up. Scarlett played ZvT in a way that dealt with Bomber better. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 Qwerty85 wrote: It is not the same thing. Maru played mech and Bomber opened with marine - tank push into bio+mine in game 1 and he ditched mines completely in game 2. Not sure what would you expect as different. Sky terran ? 2 ghost drop nuclear strike into proxy planetary fortress | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:10 Qwerty85 wrote: Bomber is very inconsistent player. Not sure if any conclusions can be made when someone beats/loses to Bomber. It all depends on which Bomber shows up. I thank you for taking me sincerely <3 | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:12 LimitSEA wrote: Yeah the constant aggression and continuous push after Bomber's just lost a large army probably surprised him into making a few panic roaches, and I guess if you don't expect constant aggression like that you may not be prepared to throw some infestors into your army. Imagine practicing against that? its no wonder Life's Z v T was so fucking good in its prime hahaha. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 Qwerty85 wrote: It is not the same thing. Maru played mech and Bomber opened with marine - tank push into bio+mine in game 1 and he ditched mines completely in game 2. Not sure what would you expect as different. Sky terran ? SCVs pull timing vs banes? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 liberate71 wrote: Do they have a higher target priority than banelings? I'd have thought they were just to get the banelings close, but the splits were so ridicuous and the re-enforcements so constant that it wasn't gonna work. i can only assume it was for them to soak damage. maybe if he had done hyun style where he opens with roachlingbane and skipped mutas it would have worked, but transitioning into roaches was really bad | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 Squat wrote: She straight up outplayed him. Twice. Once on a map with a gold base. I don't know where this Idea came from that Bomber just derped in those games, he played his regular brand of TvZ. Scarlett was just better than him, period. There was one game for sure that was kind of balanced on a knife's edge and Bomber made a few too many mistakes. That said, making no mistakes is part of the game so Scarlett absolutely outplayed him there. Scarlett's ZvT is stupidly good. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 Squat wrote: She straight up outplayed him. Twice. Once on a map with a gold base. I don't know where this Idea came from that Bomber just derped in those games, he played his regular brand of TvZ. Scarlett was just better than him, period. He certainly did in the games he played mech  Move commanding his whole army into a bunch of swarmhosts etc. Scarlett is really good zvt though, probably in my top 5. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
Couldn't be more excited!!! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:12 liberate71 wrote: 2 ghost drop nuclear strike into proxy planetary fortress One day Terran will receive it's own sOs, it has been foretold | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:10 Qwerty85 wrote: Bomber is very inconsistent player. Not sure if any conclusions can be made when someone beats/loses to Bomber. It all depends on which Bomber shows up. People always ignore the clashes of styles, it's something Artosis loves to talk about though. But basically some players play in a way that counters another player, deals with them better. Some always lose to their nemesis because of stylistic reasons. That's actually one of the major reasons why these comparisons don't work. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 Fjodorov wrote: I didnt see bombers main to much but im guessing he had 1 turret at most as usual. He had none at third. Mutas are garbage in actual fight against pure bio so I think breaking the parade and possibly damaging production/economy is what you should use mutas for vs this. Scarlett is way more active with her mutas. Bombers unit control has been exceptional today though, so good Yeah but Bomber put so much pressure on that SK never had a chance too, he basically defends by attacking. The mutas are constantly needed to fight drops and parade pushes, they never have an opportunity to go and harass. | ||
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Ovni
89 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:11 liberate71 wrote: Do they have a higher target priority than banelings? I'd have thought they were just to get the banelings close, but the splits were so ridicuous and the re-enforcements so constant that it wasn't gonna work. seriously i thought this target priority thing was dead. every attacking unit has the same target priority. zerg cocoons and workers have less, that's all. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3716 Posts
There is a reason t usually adds factory in tvz bio, you literally need a great map for pure bio like derelict and insanely good mechanics. | ||
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