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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 07 2013 01:43 GMT
#3481
Life > Vortix
Scarlett < StarDust
Jaedong < elfi (I BELIEVE!!)
INnoVation > San

Life > StarDust
elfi < INnoVation

Life < INnoVation
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 07 2013 01:43 GMT
#3482
On December 07 2013 10:43 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:38 Fjodorov wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:37 Mozdk wrote:
Life > VortiX

Scarlett > StarDust (Close to 50/50)

Dong > Elfi

INnoVation > San


Seem right?


I honestly think innovation and san is 50/50 aswell. Other than that I agree


I think San vs Innovation is 70/30.


100/0 San is the god of Protoss and an inspiration to all.
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 01:46:08
December 07 2013 01:44 GMT
#3483
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 07 2013 01:44 GMT
#3484
On December 07 2013 10:38 Assirra wrote:
Terran doesn't win every game they play?
something is wrong with the game here!


Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 07 2013 01:47 GMT
#3485
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Check since last patch, count how many terrans there are in ro4, come again plz.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 07 2013 01:48 GMT
#3486
On December 07 2013 10:42 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Whatever the state of the game certain players will show more consistency than others and you can hardly say that jakji has been playing as well this year as other top terrans like taeja. Im sure jakji himself would agree he hasn't been in his best form.

It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them.

On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 07 2013 01:48 GMT
#3487
On December 07 2013 10:44 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:38 Assirra wrote:
Terran doesn't win every game they play?
something is wrong with the game here!


Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever.


Jjakji also lost to Scarlett. While yes, Scarlett is likely better than Elfi, he is no slouch.

Foreigners definitely have potential to take games away from Code S players, and like you said, the conditions were not the most favorable, and chances are Elfi was more prepared for them than Jjakji.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
December 07 2013 01:49 GMT
#3488
On December 07 2013 10:30 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, looking at the results I feel really bad for welmu and nerchio :/


Same here. They were both only 1 map away from winning their groups. But now most of all these foreigner-hating elitists that invaded TL this year will probably only look at the end result again and be like "yep, as expected, foreigners got crushed again in group A and B, why were these scrubs even invited"... :/
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
December 07 2013 01:49 GMT
#3489
On December 07 2013 10:47 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Check since last patch, count how many terrans there are in ro4, come again plz.


4 premier tournaments after patch : 2 won by terran, 1 won by protoss and 1 by zerg
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
December 07 2013 01:51 GMT
#3490
On December 07 2013 10:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:44 Popkiller wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:38 Assirra wrote:
Terran doesn't win every game they play?
something is wrong with the game here!


Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever.


Jjakji also lost to Scarlett. While yes, Scarlett is likely better than Elfi, he is no slouch.

Foreigners definitely have potential to take games away from Code S players, and like you said, the conditions were not the most favorable, and chances are Elfi was more prepared for them than Jjakji.

As I already said, only foreign Zergs and Protoss players can take games off of Koreans. Happy is the only foreign Terran that has taken a game off of a Korean, let alone a foreigner, since the last patch. Lucifron was the only other hope and he completely fell off.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 07 2013 01:52 GMT
#3491
On December 07 2013 10:49 Paragleiber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:30 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, looking at the results I feel really bad for welmu and nerchio :/


Same here. They were both only 1 map away from winning their groups. But now most of all these foreigner-hating elitists that invaded TL this year will probably only look at the end result again and be like "yep, as expected, foreigners got crushed again in group A and B, why were these scrubs even invited"... :/


And if they won, another group of people would come to complain about the game being imbalanced because Europeans beat Koreans =/
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
December 07 2013 01:52 GMT
#3492
On December 07 2013 10:48 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:42 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Whatever the state of the game certain players will show more consistency than others and you can hardly say that jakji has been playing as well this year as other top terrans like taeja. Im sure jakji himself would agree he hasn't been in his best form.

It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents.


You are really good to make posts where you balance whine but in a way that is not forbidden, I give you that
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
December 07 2013 01:53 GMT
#3493
Anyone have direct links to the Scarlett VODs? I can't find them on the twitch archives.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
December 07 2013 01:53 GMT
#3494
Did Lucifron ever beat a top code S Zerg/Protoss, even in the "terran OP" period? Serious question.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 07 2013 01:54 GMT
#3495
On December 07 2013 10:53 lannisport wrote:
Anyone have direct links to the Scarlett VODs? I can't find them on the twitch archives.

Scarlett vs jjakji
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 01:59:00
December 07 2013 01:55 GMT
#3496
On December 07 2013 10:51 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:44 Popkiller wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:38 Assirra wrote:
Terran doesn't win every game they play?
something is wrong with the game here!


Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever.


Jjakji also lost to Scarlett. While yes, Scarlett is likely better than Elfi, he is no slouch.

Foreigners definitely have potential to take games away from Code S players, and like you said, the conditions were not the most favorable, and chances are Elfi was more prepared for them than Jjakji.

As I already said, only foreign Zergs and Protoss players can take games off of Koreans. Happy is the only foreign Terran that has taken a game off of a Korean, let alone a foreigner, since the last patch. Lucifron was the only other hope and he completely fell off.


I just don't understand how you can be arguing imbalance if when it comes to major tournaments since september, 5 of them were won by terran, 2 by zerg, and 4 by protoss. That seems like a VERY even distribution to me.

And if we talk Winner + Runner-up for the tournaments since September, it is:

6 terran
7 zerg
9 protoss

You really can't get much more even than this. The minor difference from being completely even can easily be explained by a small sample too. There is no evidence for a certain race being more favoured.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 01:58:33
December 07 2013 01:57 GMT
#3497
On December 07 2013 10:49 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:47 Faust852 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Check since last patch, count how many terrans there are in ro4, come again plz.


4 premier tournaments after patch : 2 won by terran, 1 won by protoss and 1 by zerg


Looks like you can't read, i'll help you :
RedBull Battleground Ro4 : 3P 1Z
HSCXVIII Ro4 : 2T 2Z
DHW Ro4 : 2T 1Z 1P
IEM S. Ro4 : 2P 2Z
WCG Ro4 3P 1Z
GSL Hot6ix Cup : 1T 2P 1Z
AsusRog Now Ro8 1T 3P 3Z

That's 6 Terrans, 10 Protoss, 11 Zergs.

See ? Now you put Taeja out and it's only 3 Terrans. Yey.

If I did this to Ro8, it would be even more uneven.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 07 2013 01:58 GMT
#3498
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh


For some reason? That is pretty lame. It is like saying back during GOMTvT, Korean Terrans were better for some reason.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 07 2013 01:59 GMT
#3499
On December 07 2013 10:48 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:42 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Whatever the state of the game certain players will show more consistency than others and you can hardly say that jakji has been playing as well this year as other top terrans like taeja. Im sure jakji himself would agree he hasn't been in his best form.

It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them.

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On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents.


You are seriously underestimating Scarlett's skill if you think she should not be capable of beating jakji. Elfi was a surprise for sure, but we don't know the condition of jakji going into these matches. You are always far too quick to blame balance every time a terran loses in any tournament and you don't give credit to the skill of any zerg or protoss players.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 02:01:58
December 07 2013 01:59 GMT
#3500
On December 07 2013 10:53 painkilla wrote:
Did Lucifron ever beat a top code S Zerg/Protoss, even in the "terran OP" period? Serious question.

http://www.aligulac.com/players/50/results/?after=&before=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter

On December 07 2013 10:59 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:48 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:42 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Whatever the state of the game certain players will show more consistency than others and you can hardly say that jakji has been playing as well this year as other top terrans like taeja. Im sure jakji himself would agree he hasn't been in his best form.

It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them.

On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:34 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:28 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:27 tomatriedes wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:25 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 10:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Jakji has been out of form for a while so not that big a deal.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Korea_GSL/Premier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/8


Still not close to the level he used to be.

What? His top6 at this Code S is more impressive than his Code S victory.


No. At that time jakji was fearsome and considered one of the best terrans around. He hasn't showed that kind of consistency for a long time.

At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state.


Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying.
You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined
I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue.

Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh

Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents.


You are seriously underestimating Scarlett's skill if you think she should not be capable of beating jakji. Elfi was a surprise for sure, but we don't know the condition of jakji going into these matches. You are always far too quick to blame balance every time a terran loses in any tournament and you don't give credit to the skill of any zerg or protoss players.

I didn't say Scarlett shouldn't be capable of beating jjakji. And elfi was not that much of a surprise to me, that's the problem.
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