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ASUS ROG @NorthCon Day 1 2013 - Page 175
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Scarlett < StarDust Jaedong < elfi (I BELIEVE!!) INnoVation > San Life > StarDust elfi < INnoVation Life < INnoVation | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
100/0 San is the god of Protoss and an inspiration to all. | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:36 TheDwf wrote: At that time the competition was way less fierce, and Terran was also in a much better state. Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying. You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined  I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue. Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:38 Assirra wrote: Terran doesn't win every game they play? something is wrong with the game here! Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote: Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying. You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue. Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh Check since last patch, count how many terrans there are in ro4, come again plz. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:42 tomatriedes wrote: Whatever the state of the game certain players will show more consistency than others and you can hardly say that jakji has been playing as well this year as other top terrans like taeja. Im sure jakji himself would agree he hasn't been in his best form. It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them. On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote: Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying. You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue. Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:44 Popkiller wrote: Code S Terran loses to Elfi? Yeah, something is off. But I think it's moreso that the tournament conditions threw Jjakji off his game. Delays, jet lag, fatigue, whatever. Jjakji also lost to Scarlett. While yes, Scarlett is likely better than Elfi, he is no slouch. Foreigners definitely have potential to take games away from Code S players, and like you said, the conditions were not the most favorable, and chances are Elfi was more prepared for them than Jjakji. | ||
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Paragleiber
413 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:30 The_Templar wrote: Wow, looking at the results I feel really bad for welmu and nerchio :/ Same here. They were both only 1 map away from winning their groups. But now most of all these foreigner-hating elitists that invaded TL this year will probably only look at the end result again and be like "yep, as expected, foreigners got crushed again in group A and B, why were these scrubs even invited"... :/ | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:47 Faust852 wrote: Check since last patch, count how many terrans there are in ro4, come again plz. 4 premier tournaments after patch : 2 won by terran, 1 won by protoss and 1 by zerg | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Jjakji also lost to Scarlett. While yes, Scarlett is likely better than Elfi, he is no slouch. Foreigners definitely have potential to take games away from Code S players, and like you said, the conditions were not the most favorable, and chances are Elfi was more prepared for them than Jjakji. As I already said, only foreign Zergs and Protoss players can take games off of Koreans. Happy is the only foreign Terran that has taken a game off of a Korean, let alone a foreigner, since the last patch. Lucifron was the only other hope and he completely fell off. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:49 Paragleiber wrote: Same here. They were both only 1 map away from winning their groups. But now most of all these foreigner-hating elitists that invaded TL this year will probably only look at the end result again and be like "yep, as expected, foreigners got crushed again in group A and B, why were these scrubs even invited"... :/ And if they won, another group of people would come to complain about the game being imbalanced because Europeans beat Koreans =/ | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:48 TheDwf wrote: It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them. Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents. You are really good to make posts where you balance whine but in a way that is not forbidden, I give you that  | ||
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lannisport
878 Posts
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:53 lannisport wrote: Anyone have direct links to the Scarlett VODs? I can't find them on the twitch archives. Scarlett vs jjakji | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:51 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: As I already said, only foreign Zergs and Protoss players can take games off of Koreans. Happy is the only foreign Terran that has taken a game off of a Korean, let alone a foreigner, since the last patch. Lucifron was the only other hope and he completely fell off. I just don't understand how you can be arguing imbalance if when it comes to major tournaments since september, 5 of them were won by terran, 2 by zerg, and 4 by protoss. That seems like a VERY even distribution to me. And if we talk Winner + Runner-up for the tournaments since September, it is: 6 terran 7 zerg 9 protoss You really can't get much more even than this. The minor difference from being completely even can easily be explained by a small sample too. There is no evidence for a certain race being more favoured. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:49 SkullZ9 wrote: 4 premier tournaments after patch : 2 won by terran, 1 won by protoss and 1 by zerg Looks like you can't read, i'll help you : RedBull Battleground Ro4 : 3P 1Z HSCXVIII Ro4 : 2T 2Z DHW Ro4 : 2T 1Z 1P IEM S. Ro4 : 2P 2Z WCG Ro4 3P 1Z GSL Hot6ix Cup : 1T 2P 1Z AsusRog Now Ro8 1T 3P 3Z That's 6 Terrans, 10 Protoss, 11 Zergs. See ? Now you put Taeja out and it's only 3 Terrans. Yey. If I did this to Ro8, it would be even more uneven. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:44 SkullZ9 wrote: Can you please stop saying Terran is in a bad state ? Please ? Because it is getting really annoying. You might want to look at tournament results. Here, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments, you can find a list of hots tournament. You will discover, maybe with surprise, that terrans players have won 14 premier tournaments in hots, while protoss have won 8 and zerg 7. That's right, terran players have almost the same number of titles than protoss and zerg players combined I don't even have anything against terran lol, but you are just really annoying complaining without reason. And i'm not saying by these numbers that the game is imbalanced because it would be stupid to say so, I'm just saying that it is also stupid to say terrans are in a bad state. Now I'm going to sleep because I know that even confronted with proofs that you are wrong, you will probably continue to argue. Edit : And I agree that for some reason, terran seems harder for foreigners, but complaining that korean terrans have a hard time just makes me laugh For some reason? That is pretty lame. It is like saying back during GOMTvT, Korean Terrans were better for some reason. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:48 TheDwf wrote: It doesn't matter whether jjakji is at his best form or not. The fact is that he's better than Scarlett and elfi yet lost both of them. Your Premier Tournaments list is irrelevant and the rest of your post is off topic anyway. It's not about a simplistic "X or Y are OP," it's about Terran being the most at risk to lose inferior opponents. You are seriously underestimating Scarlett's skill if you think she should not be capable of beating jakji. Elfi was a surprise for sure, but we don't know the condition of jakji going into these matches. You are always far too quick to blame balance every time a terran loses in any tournament and you don't give credit to the skill of any zerg or protoss players. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:53 painkilla wrote: Did Lucifron ever beat a top code S Zerg/Protoss, even in the "terran OP" period? Serious question. http://www.aligulac.com/players/50/results/?after=&before=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter On December 07 2013 10:59 tomatriedes wrote: You are seriously underestimating Scarlett's skill if you think she should not be capable of beating jakji. Elfi was a surprise for sure, but we don't know the condition of jakji going into these matches. You are always far too quick to blame balance every time a terran loses in any tournament and you don't give credit to the skill of any zerg or protoss players. I didn't say Scarlett shouldn't be capable of beating jjakji. And elfi was not that much of a surprise to me, that's the problem. | ||
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