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On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
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Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp? In WCS Europe. Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did? You did nothing since you missed the point. Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win. Some fell shortly after their race was back to normality, maintaining the doubts.
This applies to Life how? Remember him winning tournaments in HoTs when no other zerg could?
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On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk 
I heard they're top 2 in the world at surrenders :p
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On November 29 2013 06:20 Necosarius wrote:
Just came back, how did Sjow do in his matches?
Only caught his games vs Taeja, he got stomped
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On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p
Behind Germany?
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On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:
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Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp? In WCS Europe. Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did? You did nothing since you missed the point. Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win. Some fell shortly after their race was back to normality, maintaining the doubts. This applies to Life how? Remember him winning tournaments in HoTs when no other zerg could?
I never said this applies to Life...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
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Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp? In WCS Europe. Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did? Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win.
And funnily enough, Symbol is one of those players
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On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p Behind Germany?
Yeah, when we surrender we dont get to keep anything, France atleast keeps half of their stuff
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On November 29 2013 06:18 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:16 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Kasaraki wrote:On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't? You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want. I don't think we actually need to argue the quality of said tournaments. But anyway: GSL, MLG, Blizzard Cup, ISQ, MLG, IEM, DHW I count seven! + Show Spoiler +Before someone tries to hang me, yes I am aware that Taeja has 7 gold medals and Life only 6 Hahah, no there's not really any argument about who had harder tournaments, but that doesn't stop people. :D
I can think of arguments to take into account.
1. IPL TAC 3 isn't listed but is an extremely impressive result. He single handily got Liquid to the finals and almost double all killed IM to win the whole thing. Plus he went 23-3 against ONLY esf teams. Can't get better competition than that.
2. Taeja was fighting against arguably the most broken period in SC2 so far. Life was playing with that in his favor.
3. Taeja was more consistent in the GSL by far. Life never even made the ro8 again iirc. Taeja made ro8 4 times and ro4 twice again when almost no terrans could do that.
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On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p Behind Germany?
Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering.
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I expected HerO vs JD to be fun
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:22 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:18 Kasaraki wrote:On November 29 2013 06:16 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Kasaraki wrote:On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't? You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want. I don't think we actually need to argue the quality of said tournaments. But anyway: GSL, MLG, Blizzard Cup, ISQ, MLG, IEM, DHW I count seven! + Show Spoiler +Before someone tries to hang me, yes I am aware that Taeja has 7 gold medals and Life only 6 Hahah, no there's not really any argument about who had harder tournaments, but that doesn't stop people. :D I can think of arguments to take into account. 1. IPL TAC 3 isn't listed but is an extremely impressive result. He single handily got Liquid to the finals and almost double all killed IM to win the whole thing. Plus he went 23-3 against ONLY esf teams. Can't get better competition than that. 2. Taeja was fighting against arguably the most broken period in SC2 so far. Life was playing with that in his favor. 3. Taeja was more consistent in the GSL by far. Life never even made the ro8 again iirc. Taeja made ro8 4 times and ro4 twice again when almost no terrans could do that.
I'll compile a list of players both have beaten for fair comparison, please hang on
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Great FF's by HerO. They had to be for that to work.
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On November 29 2013 06:22 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p Behind Germany? Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering.
We basicly only Fantasy GG
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On November 29 2013 06:21 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
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Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp? In WCS Europe. Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did? Just stop with the Mvp bashing. Better comparison would be a terran that managed to win GSL and then never got back to the throne... use Jjakji as example if you want but comparing Mvp to Sniper, Hyun is just stupid. Mvp was winning/getting to GSL finals through the whole WoL era. He has serious health issues which is quite different from having your shining moment and then falling of into nothingness.
Yep I agree wrong example but still. Mvp is not doing better than Hyun or Symbol. And it's easy to bash Sniper when he's only playing in GSL Kr.
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Seeing so much gate-nexus play recently really excites me. Time to dust it off and start using it on ladder again.
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Austria24422 Posts
I find this funny. HerO created this build in the EGTL house and brought it over to tournaments. Jaedong has to be the player who's seen it the most but this is the second time that HerO's beaten him with it now in two series.
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On November 29 2013 06:24 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:22 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.
Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat. HerO or JD bias? They're not casting this match. It's ForGG. Oh, that makes sense. Damn French, can't do anything right. jk I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p Behind Germany? Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering. We basicly only Fantasy GG
Rofl.
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Again...
They're never talking about sOs' play, which is really good in this game.
ForGG. ForGG.
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EPT
