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_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
November 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#2721
On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
[quote]

Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous.

Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals.


Indeed. And?

MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument.

Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners?

To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8

Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.

And where is Mvp?

In WCS Europe.

Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did?

You did nothing since you missed the point. Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win. Some fell shortly after their race was back to normality, maintaining the doubts.


This applies to Life how? Remember him winning tournaments in HoTs when no other zerg could?
Red and yellow are all I see
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 21:22:00
November 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#2722
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard they're top 2 in the world at surrenders :p
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#2723
On November 29 2013 06:20 Necosarius wrote:
Just came back, how did Sjow do in his matches?


Only caught his games vs Taeja, he got stomped
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
November 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#2724
On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p


Behind Germany?
Red and yellow are all I see
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2725
On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:
[quote]
Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals.


Indeed. And?

MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument.

Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners?

To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8

Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.

And where is Mvp?

In WCS Europe.

Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did?

You did nothing since you missed the point. Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win. Some fell shortly after their race was back to normality, maintaining the doubts.


This applies to Life how? Remember him winning tournaments in HoTs when no other zerg could?

I never said this applies to Life...
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2726
Really sick forcefields
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2727
On November 29 2013 06:19 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
[quote]

Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous.

Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals.


Indeed. And?

MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument.

Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners?

To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8

Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.

And where is Mvp?

In WCS Europe.

Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did?

Some players proved that they didn't need their race to be the dominant one to win.


And funnily enough, Symbol is one of those players
AdministratorBreak the chains
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2728
On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p


Behind Germany?

Yeah, when we surrender we dont get to keep anything, France atleast keeps half of their stuff
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2729
On November 29 2013 06:18 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:16 Zealously wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Kasaraki wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo


I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?

You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want.


I don't think we actually need to argue the quality of said tournaments.

But anyway:
GSL, MLG, Blizzard Cup, ISQ, MLG, IEM, DHW

I count seven!

+ Show Spoiler +
Before someone tries to hang me, yes I am aware that Taeja has 7 gold medals and Life only 6

Hahah, no there's not really any argument about who had harder tournaments, but that doesn't stop people. :D

I can think of arguments to take into account.
1. IPL TAC 3 isn't listed but is an extremely impressive result. He single handily got Liquid to the finals and almost double all killed IM to win the whole thing. Plus he went 23-3 against ONLY esf teams. Can't get better competition than that.
2. Taeja was fighting against arguably the most broken period in SC2 so far. Life was playing with that in his favor.
3. Taeja was more consistent in the GSL by far. Life never even made the ro8 again iirc. Taeja made ro8 4 times and ro4 twice again when almost no terrans could do that.
QO Feasting
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
November 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#2730
On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p


Behind Germany?

Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
November 28 2013 21:23 GMT
#2731
I expected HerO vs JD to be fun
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 28 2013 21:23 GMT
#2732
On November 29 2013 06:22 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:18 Kasaraki wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:16 Zealously wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Kasaraki wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo


I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?

You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want.


I don't think we actually need to argue the quality of said tournaments.

But anyway:
GSL, MLG, Blizzard Cup, ISQ, MLG, IEM, DHW

I count seven!

+ Show Spoiler +
Before someone tries to hang me, yes I am aware that Taeja has 7 gold medals and Life only 6

Hahah, no there's not really any argument about who had harder tournaments, but that doesn't stop people. :D

I can think of arguments to take into account.
1. IPL TAC 3 isn't listed but is an extremely impressive result. He single handily got Liquid to the finals and almost double all killed IM to win the whole thing. Plus he went 23-3 against ONLY esf teams. Can't get better competition than that.
2. Taeja was fighting against arguably the most broken period in SC2 so far. Life was playing with that in his favor.
3. Taeja was more consistent in the GSL by far. Life never even made the ro8 again iirc. Taeja made ro8 4 times and ro4 twice again when almost no terrans could do that.


I'll compile a list of players both have beaten for fair comparison, please hang on
AdministratorBreak the chains
Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
November 28 2013 21:23 GMT
#2733
Great FF's by HerO. They had to be for that to work.
Dauntless.156 EU || Liquid´HerO | Grubby.Grubby
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
November 28 2013 21:23 GMT
#2734
Amazing game by HerO.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2735
On November 29 2013 06:22 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p


Behind Germany?

Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering.


We basicly only Fantasy GG
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
November 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2736
On November 29 2013 06:21 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:16 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
[quote]

Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous.

Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals.


Indeed. And?

MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument.

Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners?

To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8

Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.

And where is Mvp?

In WCS Europe.

Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did?


Just stop with the Mvp bashing. Better comparison would be a terran that managed to win GSL and then never got back to the throne... use Jjakji as example if you want but comparing Mvp to Sniper, Hyun is just stupid. Mvp was winning/getting to GSL finals through the whole WoL era.

He has serious health issues which is quite different from having your shining moment and then falling of into nothingness.

Yep I agree wrong example but still. Mvp is not doing better than Hyun or Symbol. And it's easy to bash Sniper when he's only playing in GSL Kr.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2737
Seeing so much gate-nexus play recently really excites me. Time to dust it off and start using it on ladder again.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2738
I find this funny. HerO created this build in the EGTL house and brought it over to tournaments. Jaedong has to be the player who's seen it the most but this is the second time that HerO's beaten him with it now in two series.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
November 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2739
On November 29 2013 06:24 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 06:22 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:21 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:21 NovaMB wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:20 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 HammerKick wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:19 Serinox wrote:
On November 29 2013 06:17 HammerKick wrote:
I'm on MTV, and I now remember why I stopped watching the french casters that are not Pomf or Thud.

Those casters are so ONE-SIDED, god.
And it's the same for other french casters... Even when it's not an aAa player or somewhat.

HerO or JD bias?


They're not casting this match.

It's ForGG.

Oh, that makes sense.
Damn French, can't do anything right.
jk

I heard their top 2 in the world at surrenders :p


Behind Germany?

Sadly, Germany is pretty bad at surrendering.


We basicly only Fantasy GG

Rofl.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
November 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#2740
Again...

They're never talking about sOs' play, which is really good in this game.
ForGG. ForGG.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
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