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I can't believe some punks dare to compare TaeJa to Life, guys won 2 premiers on Korean soil, TaeJa has won mediocrishly stacked foreign tournaments...Like Homestory cups and satellite dreamhacks...
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On November 29 2013 06:12 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't? Probably that Life dominated for such a "short" timeperiod, while Taeja has been a force for years.
Taeja has become good early-mid 2012. Life won his first GSL mid 2012.
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On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:
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Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8
Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.
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Haha, "You are gonna get fired!"
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On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:
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Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.
And where is Mvp?
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Dreamhack usually dont lag, but it does that a lot for me now. Am I the only one with this issue?
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did that guy just pull the finger to ~50k people? :D
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On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:
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Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp?
In WCS Europe.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:
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Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently.
Well, GSL is tough, 3 Bo3s lost = from Code S to Code B.
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On November 29 2013 06:15 boxerfred wrote:
did that guy just pull the finger to ~50k people? :D
Only at DreamHack.
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On November 29 2013 06:15 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:15 boxerfred wrote:
did that guy just pull the finger to ~50k people? :D Only at DreamHack.
you gotta love that .D
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On November 29 2013 06:15 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:
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Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp? In WCS Europe.
Yep not doing anything ever since hellbats got nerfed. See what I did?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:13 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't? You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want.
I don't think we actually need to argue the quality of said tournaments.
But anyway:
GSL, MLG, Blizzard Cup, ISQ, MLG, IEM, DHW
I count seven!
+ Show Spoiler +Before someone tries to hang me, yes I am aware that Taeja has 7 gold medals and Life only 6
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On November 29 2013 06:15 boxerfred wrote:
did that guy just pull the finger to ~50k people? :D
hopefully he wont get in jail
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JD looking calm and relaxed, he's saving mana for Deathstare for the play-offs.
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On November 29 2013 06:13 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:11 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:
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I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! You're one of two things: 1) An inconsolable terran whiner 2) Ignorant of the way Life won most of his games Both annoy me. Tbh, after watching TaeJa vs Soulkey from last WoL GSL Ro32 i am more than convinced that beating someone with muta ling bane in late WoL is not a large achievement at top level of play. Just because of map domination with dem queens and tanks being absolute crap. So no matter what strategy zerg used and no matter how many games they won, it isn't an achievement? You are not very smart are you? If zerg is 55% vs Terran and someone wins 7 maps in a row vs someone and a GSL, this means nothing? Just ridiculous. People forget how short the zerg dominance was in WoL and how little the winrates were actually unbalanced. It is not an achievement you can use as reasoning behind defining best in the world at top of his own play.
Yes it is, it very much is. The logical reasoning behind your argument is non existent. Basically according to you, a zerg could not be the best in the world during that era. Literally. Doesn't that sound stupid? because it is.
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:15 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:13 Darkhoarse wrote:On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:
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Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners? To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8 Indeed. Now Code B. Probably Code S RO16 at his best currently. And where is Mvp?
Treating the physical issues that are tearing his body apart?
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
They are both greats and no one can really deny that. Don't waste your time arguing with someone who can't see that.
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Canada8160 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:16 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:15 boxerfred wrote:
did that guy just pull the finger to ~50k people? :D hopefully he wont get in jail
It's not the states, he should be ok
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