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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
Probably that Life dominated for such a "short" timeperiod, while Taeja has been a force for years.
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Ha, nice "pizza.gg" joke, Apollo didn't quite catch it.
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
Join Team Liquid.
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That looked kinda easy for JD haha.
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On November 29 2013 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:06 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:38 ANLProbe wrote:
Taeja at his best is the best player imo along with Dear, I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! You're one of two things: 1) An inconsolable terran whiner 2) Ignorant of the way Life won most of his games Both annoy me. Tbh, after watching TaeJa vs Soulkey from last WoL GSL Ro32 i am more than convinced that beating someone with muta ling bane in late WoL is not a large achievement at top level of play. Just because of map domination with dem queens and tanks being absolute crap.
Well to be fair. Taeja got his payback for that series later on.
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JD just smashed hero. Great game and awesome read of what was going on.
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Serinox wrote:
Now Incontrol is gonna circlejerk over how great JD is even more. Great.
You say this as if it's a bad thing.
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
Well, speaking of GSL history, TaeJa was first in Code S in GSL November 2011 and Life first in GSL Season 4 2012, which was almost a year after. So not quite at the same time.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:12 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:
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I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument. Mvp proved he could win even with when Terran was weakened. Where are Sniper and RorO now? Are Symbol and HyuN still potential Code S winners?
To be fair in WCS seasons 1 and 2 in HotS symbol was top 8
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On November 29 2013 06:09 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:07 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:38 ANLProbe wrote:
Taeja at his best is the best player imo along with Dear, I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! Yes, it was an achievement with zerg even at the end of WoL. My god people's memories of that time are so clouded its ridiculous. Quite on the contrary, I do remember very well HyuN vs Sniper followed by RorO vs Symbol as finals. Indeed. And? MVP was a scrub too because he used imba Terran during GomTvT? Just a ridiculous argument.
Well Mvp also won a GSL championship against Squirtle and was a runner up in the finals vs. Life by the end of WoL when terran was probably the weakest ever.
He was the most consistent player in WoL.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:11 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:38 ANLProbe wrote:
Taeja at his best is the best player imo along with Dear, I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! You're one of two things: 1) An inconsolable terran whiner 2) Ignorant of the way Life won most of his games Both annoy me. Tbh, after watching TaeJa vs Soulkey from last WoL GSL Ro32 i am more than convinced that beating someone with muta ling bane in late WoL is not a large achievement at top level of play. Just because of map domination with dem queens and tanks being absolute crap. So no matter what strategy zerg used and no matter how many games they won, it isn't an achievement? You are not very smart are you? If zerg is 55% vs Terran and someone wins 7 maps in a row vs someone and a GSL, this means nothing? Just ridiculous. People forget how short the zerg dominance was in WoL and how little the winrates were actually unbalanced.
It is not an achievement you can use as reasoning behind defining best in the world at top of his own play.
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Now I'll know how to kill the Oracles...
Medivacs.
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
You are wrong, TaeJa won more premiers, but you could argue the quality of the tournaments if you want.
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Boom, there goes the Oracle.
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On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:38 ANLProbe wrote:
Taeja at his best is the best player imo along with Dear, I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL!
And what achievements did Taeja get at GSL during the GOMTvT era?
You might want to go back and check up on the old LR threads of the GSL Life won, when during the semis, Taeja was actually considered the favorite, and people were cheering that a Zerg had made it that far for a change.
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lol that guy in the background eating pizza
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On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't?
Taeja's career has begun a lot earlier I think? He already played in the GSL opens in early WoL. His rise to fame was a little earlies as well, as far as I remember.
Life is one of the greats too, no need to prove for sure, but he has hit lower lows than Taeja (and higher highs, too).
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:12 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 29 2013 06:06 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:05 TheDwf wrote:On November 29 2013 06:04 sitromit wrote:On November 29 2013 06:01 bourne117 wrote:On November 29 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:45 ANLProbe wrote:On November 29 2013 05:42 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 05:38 ANLProbe wrote:
Taeja at his best is the best player imo along with Dear, I'm pretty sure no one beats Life when he's at his best, but we'll get to see more of that tomorrow Taeja is better imo at his best, but it's so close that it might as well be even. Watch IPL TAC 3 (remember when he trashed your favorite team?) Last time Taeja played Life when they were both at their best, Life made Taeja look like a scrub. Taeja was not at his best then. He had already started to fall off. That was like the week after he had lost TWICE to crank at MLG. He hadn't fallen completely off but it was definetly not his clear cut best. And also lets be honest that was when Zerg was starting to be kind of broken. The rest of the GSLs that year were all incredibly Zerg favored and all won by zergs and the finals of the rest of GSLs were all ZvZs. Life won a GSL at his best, Taeja didn't, the end. What an achievement with Zerg at the end of WoL! You're one of two things: 1) An inconsolable terran whiner 2) Ignorant of the way Life won most of his games Both annoy me. Tbh, after watching TaeJa vs Soulkey from last WoL GSL Ro32 i am more than convinced that beating someone with muta ling bane in late WoL is not a large achievement at top level of play. Just because of map domination with dem queens and tanks being absolute crap. Well to be fair. Taeja got his payback for that series later on.
Soulkey forgot he was playing WoL and made roaches :D
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Poland3774 Posts
On November 29 2013 06:12 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 06:11 Zealously wrote:On November 29 2013 06:08 Fjodorov wrote:
Taeja has been one of the best players in the world for years. Life is amazing but for me he needs another year to be one of the greats imo I may be missing something, but I think Life has won as many premier tournaments (and arguably harder ones at that) as Taeja, and their careers started out roughly the same way at roughly the same time. What makes you feel that Life needs to prove himself further while Taeja doesn't? He doesn't, its an absolutely unjustifiably stupid opinion to hold.
If you just count premier tournaments finsihed, TaeJa may be second with Life coming fourth but if take quality into account, Life is easily 2nd only to Mvp.
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EPT
