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On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote: So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed. didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese. oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no
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Genius is not reliant on cheese though. He is a good macro player as well.
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I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote: So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed. didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese. oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no Nexus First is Cheese though.
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On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote: that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily
its really not a big deal as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.
You think MC doesn't want to win? Like, seriously?
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United States23455 Posts
On October 07 2013 01:00 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 00:59 Doublemint wrote: good game 1. MC outbraining Genius! how had this anything to do with brain. He just outmicroed like a boss. Brain jokes will be everywhere here.
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On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote: So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed. didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese. oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no
Macro means making units, not get rich or die trying.
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On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.
I think you just soiled yourself.
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On October 07 2013 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote: that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily its really not a big deal  as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player
Well it all depends on the micro. I doubt you could hold it against genius or MC. MC just had the better control in this game.
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On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong. Not quite sure if serious
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there is not really cheese anymore in pvp except for the heavy commitment twilight builds
proxies are not al in, its actually a safer pressure because MSC + having observers / chronomortals doesn't auto counter. its a weird matchup it is all mindgames, trying to get a slight unit advantage with the same or less production and getting that nexus fast. getting a fast nexus is an aggressive strategy imo. even if grubby claims it isn't i think pvp has a huge variety of build order win/loss
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On October 07 2013 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote: that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily its really not a big deal  as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player Quit talking like winning PvP's in masters means you're an expert. Genius wouldn't go for a build that doesn't work.
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On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.
Yeah MC is not a super competitve guy. At all.
Also Stephano practiced like 1/4 hour a month in his prime, I heard.
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On October 07 2013 01:03 unigolyn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote: So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed. didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese. oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no Macro means making units, not get rich or die trying. not sure what you are trying to say, you also make units when you cheese.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 07 2013 01:04 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote: that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger Today i heard that 10-10 is weaker than 1 zealot 2 stalker all-in and that it is stronger than it. Who is right? As someone who uses the proxy Stalker rush a lot, I would say that the Stalker rush is a lot stronger. I've managed to take games off much better Protoss players using it. It all comes down to your micro, though... Not that i care about can it win games against better players or not, but okay. 2 against 1 for Stalker rush.
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On October 07 2013 01:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong. You think MC doesn't want to win? Like, seriously?
Obviously he wants to win. But saying "Anything besides first place is a disappointment for him" isn't really accurate when MC says "I play to show good games and don't care about first or second place." It implies he expects finals, yes, but still.
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On October 07 2013 01:04 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote: I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong. Yeah MC is not a super competitve guy. At all. Also Stephano practiced like 1/4 hour a month in his prime, I heard.
Lies. Stephano didn't practice at all, in fact if he had electroshock therapy after longer tournaments so he could forget anything he accidentally learned.
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