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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 06 2013 16:01 GMT
#1241
On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed.

didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol

It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese.

oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 06 2013 16:01 GMT
#1242
Genius is not reliant on cheese though. He is a good macro player as well.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Sooooil
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany497 Posts
October 06 2013 16:02 GMT
#1243
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 16:02 GMT
#1244
On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed.

didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol

It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese.

oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no

Nexus First is Cheese though.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 06 2013 16:02 GMT
#1245
On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger

Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily


its really not a big deal as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player
I come in for the scraps
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1246
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.


You think MC doesn't want to win? Like, seriously?
AdministratorBreak the chains
Elitios
Profile Joined February 2012
France164 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1247
MC is boss toss.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1248
On October 07 2013 01:00 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:59 Doublemint wrote:
good game 1. MC outbraining Genius!


how had this anything to do with brain. He just outmicroed like a boss.

Brain jokes will be everywhere here.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1249
On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed.

didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol

It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese.

oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no


Macro means making units, not get rich or die trying.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1250
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.


I think you just soiled yourself.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1251
On October 07 2013 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger

Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily


its really not a big deal as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player


Well it all depends on the micro. I doubt you could hold it against genius or MC. MC just had the better control in this game.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1252
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.

Not quite sure if serious
It appears I have been chosen.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 16:04:49
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1253
there is not really cheese anymore in pvp except for the heavy commitment twilight builds

proxies are not al in, its actually a safer pressure because MSC + having observers / chronomortals doesn't auto counter. its a weird matchup it is all mindgames, trying to get a slight unit advantage with the same or less production and getting that nexus fast. getting a fast nexus is an aggressive strategy imo. even if grubby claims it isn't i think pvp has a huge variety of build order win/loss
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
October 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#1254
On October 07 2013 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:00 theBALLS wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger

Genius was banking on a lack of scouting. If MC had not scouted, he might have lost easily


its really not a big deal as soon as you see the zealot you can still hold it granted you make MSC first like any sane player

Quit talking like winning PvP's in masters means you're an expert. Genius wouldn't go for a build that doesn't work.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 16:06:53
October 06 2013 16:04 GMT
#1255
--- Nuked ---
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 06 2013 16:04 GMT
#1256
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.


Yeah MC is not a super competitve guy. At all.

Also Stephano practiced like 1/4 hour a month in his prime, I heard.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 06 2013 16:04 GMT
#1257
On October 07 2013 01:03 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 07 2013 01:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 01:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, Cheese 0 4 Macro today? Ouch, PvP has changed.

didn't duckdeok win with a 4 gate on whirlwind? lol

It was against Nexus First. One can say that 4 gate as reaction to scouted Nexus First is Macro win against Cheese.

oh no i don't want to live in a world where 4 gate is considered macro pls no


Macro means making units, not get rich or die trying.

not sure what you are trying to say, you also make units when you cheese.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 16:04 GMT
#1258
On October 07 2013 01:04 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is not a good build and never has been, don't like ive ever lost to that proxy stalker rush. If you want to proxy you do double 10 gate and chrono zealots, so much stronger

Today i heard that 10-10 is weaker than 1 zealot 2 stalker all-in and that it is stronger than it. Who is right?

As someone who uses the proxy Stalker rush a lot, I would say that the Stalker rush is a lot stronger. I've managed to take games off much better Protoss players using it. It all comes down to your micro, though...

Not that i care about can it win games against better players or not, but okay. 2 against 1 for Stalker rush.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sooooil
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany497 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 16:06:16
October 06 2013 16:05 GMT
#1259
On October 07 2013 01:03 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.


You think MC doesn't want to win? Like, seriously?



Obviously he wants to win. But saying "Anything besides first place is a disappointment for him" isn't really accurate when MC says "I play to show good games and don't care about first or second place." It implies he expects finals, yes, but still.
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 06 2013 16:05 GMT
#1260
On October 07 2013 01:04 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 01:02 Sooooil wrote:
I'm sorry but Kaelaris and Grubby are just talking shit as soon as I tune in. Yesterday MC said on multiple occasions that he's just there to enjoy and he doesn't care whether he's first or second place..... If you are the casters at an event and don't even bother to watch the player preview and/ or interviews for the event there is something wrong.


Yeah MC is not a super competitve guy. At all.

Also Stephano practiced like 1/4 hour a month in his prime, I heard.


Lies. Stephano didn't practice at all, in fact if he had electroshock therapy after longer tournaments so he could forget anything he accidentally learned.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
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