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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 23:14:07
October 01 2013 23:13 GMT
#161
On October 02 2013 08:09 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:06 Waise wrote:
so does top GM even mean anything? is it true that it's more about how often you play than your level of skill? i see foreign players like demuslim and minigun topping ladder and then doing nothing against serious competition, and it makes me wonder if those players' skillsets are really just "hey, i'm extremely good at beating the stuff that's on ladder being played by people a little bit worse than me right now"?

no disrespect intended, just curious, since it seems so counterintuitive that the "top GM" would mean so little


doesnt top GM only mean you play a lot and doesnt say a lot about skill level?


Top GM is a correlation, not causation to how skillfull you are. Many top GM NA players could or could not be good but because of the low saturation of tournaments on this continent, you are much less likely to see them in top form. For instance, in Demuslim's case he was a top ladder player when he went into NASL 4 where he went 2-3 against Violet, a player who got runner-up in the hardest tournament of 2012. But beyond that his peak skill and available tournaments meant he probably never showed his best play whenever he was in form due to bad timing or his own nerves.

Whereas you look in Europe and the best players on ladder often show a lot of strength during the big lan or WCS EU events because there are more of those so their peak conditions line up better.

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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 23:16:28
October 01 2013 23:14 GMT
#162
On October 02 2013 08:11 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:05 Squat wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:03 NPF wrote:
On October 02 2013 07:57 Squat wrote:
The Queen of Blades reigns supreme
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


It be better if she had a molson Canadian in hand over what appears to be a Coors light.

I profess to utter ignorance concerning the relative quality of alcoholic beverages. Though the canadian ladies celebrating on ice was boss as fuck.

Edit: need to find more hockey pictures for the winners' match.


I'm almost certain he's just saying it would be better for the image (molson has a canada leaf on it) as almost any Canadian would say something other than "Molson" if it's based on taste.

But the glasses dude, the glasses! It's so canadian I almost expect her to start squirting maple syrup through various orifices.

Looks like this will be a longer PvP, Minigun behind on supply, timing will probs be inc from crank.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 01 2013 23:16 GMT
#163
On October 02 2013 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:09 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Shellshock wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier S3 2013
us (P)Minigun vs. kr (P)CranK
Game 1
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Minigun spawns in the top left
CranK spawns in the top right

1:40
gate first for both players

2:00
double gas for both players
cybernetics core for both players

3:00
2nd gate for CranK
2nd gate for Minigun

4:00
MSC for Minigun
3 stalker openings for both players

5:00
Twilight council on the way for CranK
3rd gate for Minigun

6:00
Nexus for CranK
Dark Shrine on the way for CranK
robo for CranK
Minigun attacking into the natural of CranK with 6 stalkers
Robo for minigun
nexus of CranK canceled
Minigun moves into the main of CranK

7:00 M 42 vs C 38
Minigun scouts the dark shrine
Minigun forced out of CranK's base
MSC of Minigun was killed
DT warped in
stalkers blocking the ramp and then forcefield
observer started for Minigun
immortal started for CranK
MSC rebuilding for Minigun
Nexus for CranK
another gate for CranK

8:00 M 53 vs C 48
2nd observer for Minigun
warp prism for CranK
forge for CranK
immortal production started for Minigun
observer for CranK
forge for Minigun

9:00 M 59 vs C 53
Robo bay for Minigun
+1 attack started for both players
DT drop into the main of Minigun
DT in the natural of Minigun

10:00 M 60 vs C 66
both DTs are cleaned up
CranK is ahead by 11 workers
7 probes have been killed by CranK

11:00 M 75 vs C 83
CranK up to 4 immortals
Extended thermal lance and colossus for Minigun

12:00 M 87 vs C 91
immortal drop in Minigun's main killing 2 pylons
Minigun losing quite a few stalkers to the immortals
both immortals and the warp prism are killed

13:00 M 85 vs C 88
2nd robo for Minigun
+2 attack finishing up for CranK
+1 armor for Minigun

14:00 M 101 vs C 116
2 more gates finish for CranK
CranK adding archons into his comp
double colossus production for Minigun
3rd base for Minigun
Twilight council for Minigun
+3 attack started for CranK

15:00 M 116 vs C 135
3rd base for CranK
Stargate for CranK
Warp prism for CranK
2 more gates for Minigun
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 01 2013 23:16 GMT
#164
On October 02 2013 08:14 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:11 TheDougler wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Squat wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:03 NPF wrote:
On October 02 2013 07:57 Squat wrote:
The Queen of Blades reigns supreme
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


It be better if she had a molson Canadian in hand over what appears to be a Coors light.

I profess to utter ignorance concerning the relative quality of alcoholic beverages. Though the canadian ladies celebrating on ice was boss as fuck.

Edit: need to find more hockey pictures for the winners' match.


I'm almost certain he's just saying it would be better for the image (molson has a canada leaf on it) as almost any Canadian would say something other than "Molson" if it's based on taste.

But the glasses dude, the glasses! It's so canadian I almost expect her to start squirting maple syrup through various orifices.


Nah that doesn't happen as often as you'd think.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 01 2013 23:18 GMT
#165
Archon/Immortal vs. Colossus? Isn't this pretty much gonna go in favour of the Archon/Immortal player?
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sleepyguy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States272 Posts
October 01 2013 23:18 GMT
#166
big artosis pylons...as opposed to little artosis pylons
WE FOKKEN LOST BOYS
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 23:19:02
October 01 2013 23:18 GMT
#167
On October 02 2013 08:18 IntoTheheart wrote:
Archon/Immortal vs. Colossus? Isn't this pretty much gonna go in favour of the Archon/Immortal player?


Yeah, unless someone fucks up timewarp or Collosus player gets to critical mass with immortals.
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 01 2013 23:19 GMT
#168
On October 02 2013 08:13 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:09 sharkie wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:06 Waise wrote:
so does top GM even mean anything? is it true that it's more about how often you play than your level of skill? i see foreign players like demuslim and minigun topping ladder and then doing nothing against serious competition, and it makes me wonder if those players' skillsets are really just "hey, i'm extremely good at beating the stuff that's on ladder being played by people a little bit worse than me right now"?

no disrespect intended, just curious, since it seems so counterintuitive that the "top GM" would mean so little


doesnt top GM only mean you play a lot and doesnt say a lot about skill level?


Top GM is a correlation, not causation to how skillfull you are. Many top GM NA players could or could not be good but because of the low saturation of tournaments on this continent, you are much less likely to see them in top form. For instance, in Demuslim's case he was a top ladder player when he went into NASL 4 where he went 2-3 against Violet, a player who got runner-up in the hardest tournament of 2012. But beyond that his peak skill and available tournaments meant he probably never showed his best play whenever he was in form due to bad timing or his own nerves.

Whereas you look in Europe and the best players on ladder often show a lot of strength during the big lan or WCS EU events because there are more of those so their peak conditions line up better.


yeah, demuslim does seem like a case of nerves, as he's a solid player and was really absolutely slaying on ladder for a while. and i think he's admitted he has a problem with nerves as well. but i also feel like sometimes the "nerves" thing is just one of those things people say about a player that's easy to believe and hard to verify

of course it means "something" just like being in GM and not masters means "something"... but i guess i feel like at grandmaster level they could afford to loosen the confidence barrier for how many games you've played. you would think a korean pro smurfing on NA with 40 wins to 15 losses would deserve to be top GM more than (insert ROOT player of the week)

but i guess in the end i'm just complaining about the points algorithm. it's not like i could write a better one
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#169
On October 02 2013 08:18 IntoTheheart wrote:
Archon/Immortal vs. Colossus? Isn't this pretty much gonna go in favour of the Archon/Immortal player?


Depends a lot on the engagement, if it's an open area or a choke.

Very solid harass from Crank this game.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#170
On October 02 2013 08:16 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:09 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Shellshock wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier S3 2013
us (P)Minigun vs. kr (P)CranK
Game 1
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Minigun spawns in the top left
CranK spawns in the top right

1:40
gate first for both players

2:00
double gas for both players
cybernetics core for both players

3:00
2nd gate for CranK
2nd gate for Minigun

4:00
MSC for Minigun
3 stalker openings for both players

5:00
Twilight council on the way for CranK
3rd gate for Minigun

6:00
Nexus for CranK
Dark Shrine on the way for CranK
robo for CranK
Minigun attacking into the natural of CranK with 6 stalkers
Robo for minigun
nexus of CranK canceled
Minigun moves into the main of CranK

7:00 M 42 vs C 38
Minigun scouts the dark shrine
Minigun forced out of CranK's base
MSC of Minigun was killed
DT warped in
stalkers blocking the ramp and then forcefield
observer started for Minigun
immortal started for CranK
MSC rebuilding for Minigun
Nexus for CranK
another gate for CranK

8:00 M 53 vs C 48
2nd observer for Minigun
warp prism for CranK
forge for CranK
immortal production started for Minigun
observer for CranK
forge for Minigun

9:00 M 59 vs C 53
Robo bay for Minigun
+1 attack started for both players
DT drop into the main of Minigun
DT in the natural of Minigun

10:00 M 60 vs C 66
both DTs are cleaned up
CranK is ahead by 11 workers
7 probes have been killed by CranK

11:00 M 75 vs C 83
CranK up to 4 immortals
Extended thermal lance and colossus for Minigun

12:00 M 87 vs C 91
immortal drop in Minigun's main killing 2 pylons
Minigun losing quite a few stalkers to the immortals
both immortals and the warp prism are killed

13:00 M 85 vs C 88
2nd robo for Minigun
+2 attack finishing up for CranK
+1 armor for Minigun

14:00 M 101 vs C 116
2 more gates finish for CranK
CranK adding archons into his comp
double colossus production for Minigun
3rd base for Minigun
Twilight council for Minigun
+3 attack started for CranK

15:00 M 116 vs C 135
3rd base for CranK
Stargate for CranK
Warp prism for CranK
2 more gates for Minigun

16:00 M 123 vs C 157
6 immortals out ofr CranK
more gates for CranK
Minigun posturing around the map
+2 attack for Minigun
charge research for Minigun
dark shrine for Minigun

17:00 M 137 vs C 161
fleet beacon for Crank
2nd stargate for Crank
+1 air attack for CranK
4th base for CranK
Minigun starting to add immortals in again

18:00 M 152 vs C 181
zealot warp in in the main of Minigun
dTs in the main of Minigun as well
forge and gateways unpowered
DT drop at the 3rd of Minigun
Tempest production started for CranK

19:00 M 134 vs C 173
forge restarted for Minigun
DT still in Minigun's main
DT drop in the main of CranK
robo of CranK is killed
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
+1 armor for Crank

20:00 M 136 vs C 176
4 tempests out for CranK
Templar archives for Minigun
zealots in CranK's main killing gates with the DTs
zealot runby to the 3rd of Minigun
blink research for Minigun
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
3rd base of CranK is killed
Minigun recalls but loses a couple of colossi
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#171
Devastating harass by Minigun, still not with a good comp for inevitable showdown.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 01 2013 23:21 GMT
#172
On October 02 2013 08:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:14 Squat wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:11 TheDougler wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Squat wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:03 NPF wrote:
On October 02 2013 07:57 Squat wrote:
The Queen of Blades reigns supreme
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


It be better if she had a molson Canadian in hand over what appears to be a Coors light.

I profess to utter ignorance concerning the relative quality of alcoholic beverages. Though the canadian ladies celebrating on ice was boss as fuck.

Edit: need to find more hockey pictures for the winners' match.


I'm almost certain he's just saying it would be better for the image (molson has a canada leaf on it) as almost any Canadian would say something other than "Molson" if it's based on taste.

But the glasses dude, the glasses! It's so canadian I almost expect her to start squirting maple syrup through various orifices.


Nah that doesn't happen as often as you'd think.

i can verify that $15 glass maple syrup bottles in display cases at the grocery store really happens though
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
October 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#173
I can't believe this game went on this long.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#174
On October 02 2013 08:20 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:16 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:09 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Shellshock wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier S3 2013
us (P)Minigun vs. kr (P)CranK
Game 1
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Minigun spawns in the top left
CranK spawns in the top right

1:40
gate first for both players

2:00
double gas for both players
cybernetics core for both players

3:00
2nd gate for CranK
2nd gate for Minigun

4:00
MSC for Minigun
3 stalker openings for both players

5:00
Twilight council on the way for CranK
3rd gate for Minigun

6:00
Nexus for CranK
Dark Shrine on the way for CranK
robo for CranK
Minigun attacking into the natural of CranK with 6 stalkers
Robo for minigun
nexus of CranK canceled
Minigun moves into the main of CranK

7:00 M 42 vs C 38
Minigun scouts the dark shrine
Minigun forced out of CranK's base
MSC of Minigun was killed
DT warped in
stalkers blocking the ramp and then forcefield
observer started for Minigun
immortal started for CranK
MSC rebuilding for Minigun
Nexus for CranK
another gate for CranK

8:00 M 53 vs C 48
2nd observer for Minigun
warp prism for CranK
forge for CranK
immortal production started for Minigun
observer for CranK
forge for Minigun

9:00 M 59 vs C 53
Robo bay for Minigun
+1 attack started for both players
DT drop into the main of Minigun
DT in the natural of Minigun

10:00 M 60 vs C 66
both DTs are cleaned up
CranK is ahead by 11 workers
7 probes have been killed by CranK

11:00 M 75 vs C 83
CranK up to 4 immortals
Extended thermal lance and colossus for Minigun

12:00 M 87 vs C 91
immortal drop in Minigun's main killing 2 pylons
Minigun losing quite a few stalkers to the immortals
both immortals and the warp prism are killed

13:00 M 85 vs C 88
2nd robo for Minigun
+2 attack finishing up for CranK
+1 armor for Minigun

14:00 M 101 vs C 116
2 more gates finish for CranK
CranK adding archons into his comp
double colossus production for Minigun
3rd base for Minigun
Twilight council for Minigun
+3 attack started for CranK

15:00 M 116 vs C 135
3rd base for CranK
Stargate for CranK
Warp prism for CranK
2 more gates for Minigun

16:00 M 123 vs C 157
6 immortals out ofr CranK
more gates for CranK
Minigun posturing around the map
+2 attack for Minigun
charge research for Minigun
dark shrine for Minigun

17:00 M 137 vs C 161
fleet beacon for Crank
2nd stargate for Crank
+1 air attack for CranK
4th base for CranK
Minigun starting to add immortals in again

18:00 M 152 vs C 181
zealot warp in in the main of Minigun
dTs in the main of Minigun as well
forge and gateways unpowered
DT drop at the 3rd of Minigun
Tempest production started for CranK

19:00 M 134 vs C 173
forge restarted for Minigun
DT still in Minigun's main
DT drop in the main of CranK
robo of CranK is killed
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
+1 armor for Crank

20:00 M 136 vs C 176
4 tempests out for CranK
Templar archives for Minigun
zealots in CranK's main killing gates with the DTs
zealot runby to the 3rd of Minigun
blink research for Minigun
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
3rd base of CranK is killed
Minigun recalls but loses a couple of colossi

21:00 M 119 vs C 171
both players clean up the harass in their respective bases
Minigun adding in archons

22:00 M 115 vs C 182
forge rebuilding for CranK
3rd base rebuilding for CranK
Minigun moving across the map

23:00 M 140 vs C 175
4th base for Minigun
storm research for Minigun
DT at the 4th of Minigun
3 more gates for CranK
zealot drop in the 3rd of Minigun

24:00 M 155 vs C 187
zealot drop in the main of Minigun
4th of Minigun is killed

25:00 M 147 vs C 197
+1 plasma shields for CranK
cybernetics core rebuilding for CranK
robo bay for CranK
zealot warp in at Minigun's 3rd
71 probes have been killed by CranK
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#175
Too many colossi, just paperweights at this point.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 01 2013 23:24 GMT
#176
On October 02 2013 08:23 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 08:20 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:16 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:09 Shellshock wrote:
On October 02 2013 08:05 Shellshock wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier S3 2013
us (P)Minigun vs. kr (P)CranK
Game 1
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Minigun spawns in the top left
CranK spawns in the top right

1:40
gate first for both players

2:00
double gas for both players
cybernetics core for both players

3:00
2nd gate for CranK
2nd gate for Minigun

4:00
MSC for Minigun
3 stalker openings for both players

5:00
Twilight council on the way for CranK
3rd gate for Minigun

6:00
Nexus for CranK
Dark Shrine on the way for CranK
robo for CranK
Minigun attacking into the natural of CranK with 6 stalkers
Robo for minigun
nexus of CranK canceled
Minigun moves into the main of CranK

7:00 M 42 vs C 38
Minigun scouts the dark shrine
Minigun forced out of CranK's base
MSC of Minigun was killed
DT warped in
stalkers blocking the ramp and then forcefield
observer started for Minigun
immortal started for CranK
MSC rebuilding for Minigun
Nexus for CranK
another gate for CranK

8:00 M 53 vs C 48
2nd observer for Minigun
warp prism for CranK
forge for CranK
immortal production started for Minigun
observer for CranK
forge for Minigun

9:00 M 59 vs C 53
Robo bay for Minigun
+1 attack started for both players
DT drop into the main of Minigun
DT in the natural of Minigun

10:00 M 60 vs C 66
both DTs are cleaned up
CranK is ahead by 11 workers
7 probes have been killed by CranK

11:00 M 75 vs C 83
CranK up to 4 immortals
Extended thermal lance and colossus for Minigun

12:00 M 87 vs C 91
immortal drop in Minigun's main killing 2 pylons
Minigun losing quite a few stalkers to the immortals
both immortals and the warp prism are killed

13:00 M 85 vs C 88
2nd robo for Minigun
+2 attack finishing up for CranK
+1 armor for Minigun

14:00 M 101 vs C 116
2 more gates finish for CranK
CranK adding archons into his comp
double colossus production for Minigun
3rd base for Minigun
Twilight council for Minigun
+3 attack started for CranK

15:00 M 116 vs C 135
3rd base for CranK
Stargate for CranK
Warp prism for CranK
2 more gates for Minigun

16:00 M 123 vs C 157
6 immortals out ofr CranK
more gates for CranK
Minigun posturing around the map
+2 attack for Minigun
charge research for Minigun
dark shrine for Minigun

17:00 M 137 vs C 161
fleet beacon for Crank
2nd stargate for Crank
+1 air attack for CranK
4th base for CranK
Minigun starting to add immortals in again

18:00 M 152 vs C 181
zealot warp in in the main of Minigun
dTs in the main of Minigun as well
forge and gateways unpowered
DT drop at the 3rd of Minigun
Tempest production started for CranK

19:00 M 134 vs C 173
forge restarted for Minigun
DT still in Minigun's main
DT drop in the main of CranK
robo of CranK is killed
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
+1 armor for Crank

20:00 M 136 vs C 176
4 tempests out for CranK
Templar archives for Minigun
zealots in CranK's main killing gates with the DTs
zealot runby to the 3rd of Minigun
blink research for Minigun
Minigun attacking at the 3rd of CranK
3rd base of CranK is killed
Minigun recalls but loses a couple of colossi

21:00 M 119 vs C 171
both players clean up the harass in their respective bases
Minigun adding in archons

22:00 M 115 vs C 182
forge rebuilding for CranK
3rd base rebuilding for CranK
Minigun moving across the map

23:00 M 140 vs C 175
4th base for Minigun
storm research for Minigun
DT at the 4th of Minigun
3 more gates for CranK
zealot drop in the 3rd of Minigun

24:00 M 155 vs C 187
zealot drop in the main of Minigun
4th of Minigun is killed

25:00 M 147 vs C 197
+1 plasma shields for CranK
cybernetics core rebuilding for CranK
robo bay for CranK
zealot warp in at Minigun's 3rd
71 probes have been killed by CranK

26:00 M 145 vs C 197
storm on CranK's army in timewarps
engagement in the middle of the map
tempests killing all of the colossi
Minigun's army falls
Minigun ggs!
CranK wins game 1!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 01 2013 23:24 GMT
#177
Poll: Recommend Minigun vs CranK game 1?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
50%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
 
38%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
13%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Minigun vs CranK game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 01 2013 23:24 GMT
#178
*minigun desperately running for his life*
gretorp: look at this beautiful kiting!!
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
October 01 2013 23:26 GMT
#179
wow I just watched WCS America for the first time in ages...Gretorp still has no clue what he is talking about. If it wasnt for Gowser, this would be a very low understanding cast. Gretorp, please, get some more expecrience.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
October 01 2013 23:26 GMT
#180
Dayyum CranK's PvP is looking scary!
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