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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 25 2013 21:56 GMT
#6101
JaeKong. ((

Nicely done by Bomber though!
kiss kiss fall in love
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 25 2013 22:06 GMT
#6102
The way Bomber splits his marines was so ideal against Jaedong. I noticed that Bomber always leaves 1!!!! marine in the front to let the first 2 banes explode on. This buys alot of time for the rest to be splitted up like a god. It was looking really good.
I wished Jaedong used some Roach strats. Would have made the games even more intresting
Supah ToHLL
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 25 2013 22:08 GMT
#6103
On August 25 2013 23:49 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 23:48 veKtory wrote:
Terran good race.


Balance good whine.

People pretending like JD was as good as Bomber on this day, meanwhile Bomber killed him in the final game playing marine/tank like it was 2011. Face it folks, this final was not indicative of balance by any stretch. One player was simply better.
sigm
Profile Joined December 2010
192 Posts
August 25 2013 22:13 GMT
#6104
So I take it that Bomber's Law would indicate that he goes out 0-2 (with 0 games won of course) from his group next season?
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
August 25 2013 22:19 GMT
#6105
On August 26 2013 07:13 sigm wrote:
So I take it that Bomber's Law would indicate that he goes out 0-2 (with 0 games won of course) from his group next season?

no, that would be osl curse
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/OnGameNet_Starleague_(OSL)#Trademarks
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
August 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#6106
On August 26 2013 07:19 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 07:13 sigm wrote:
So I take it that Bomber's Law would indicate that he goes out 0-2 (with 0 games won of course) from his group next season?

no, that would be osl curse
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/OnGameNet_Starleague_(OSL)#Trademarks

Bomber wasn't OSL champ, though (I assume that's the curse you're pointing out)
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1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 22:29:43
August 25 2013 22:24 GMT
#6107
On August 26 2013 07:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 07:19 1Dhalism wrote:
On August 26 2013 07:13 sigm wrote:
So I take it that Bomber's Law would indicate that he goes out 0-2 (with 0 games won of course) from his group next season?

no, that would be osl curse
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/OnGameNet_Starleague_(OSL)#Trademarks

Bomber wasn't OSL champ, though (I assume that's the curse you're pointing out)

So the curses have to remain identical while cross platform transferring?
I'm just not sure.

That being said Maru seemingly have fallen to almost textbook case of OSL curse.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 25 2013 22:27 GMT
#6108
Looking back on things it seems the standout performers this tournament were definitely Bomber, Taeja, and Jaedong. No doubt in my mind if Jaedong went up against yet another Protoss, any P in this field, in the final he would have won it convincingly. He obviously has been working really hard in this matchup and looked ridiculously good creative ZvP. I'd favor him against most zergs ZvZ but as we know not many in here. Always worried about how he'd play in a series against a great terran (after that 0-4 to Polt), and with so many top-level Terrans in this tournament he was bound to meet one (if Taeja had beat Bomber I think Taeja would have crushed Jaedong as well :/). He looked terrible in that final series... think he needs to start taking a lot of notes from Scarlett who took a couple impressive maps over Bomber playing her standard style.

But yeah Bomber's builds were tricky and ruthless... throughout the tournament. Throwing in the occasional cheese, varying up his builds from map-to-map, with great macro standard play to back it up. He definitely seemed to have more smarty map-specific strategies prepared than most other players in this tournament in my eyes. And that preparation was most evident when he had a ton of time to prepare for the group stage... when he totally breezed past Grubby and First, and definitely looked like had some TvZ tricks prepared for the knockout stages with his already great TvT to fall back on. These days, being one of the best in your respective race's mirror matchup goes such a long way in making deep runs in these weekend tournament. Innovation may have the best TvZ in the world but doesn't count for shit if you don't play against any zergs.

Was hoping Jaedong would pull this one out, but Bomber definitely deserved it, that was not an easy road in the knockout stages. Taeja should also be really happy with his result, he looked so dominant this weekend except for a few instances where he slipped a little in that 2-3 series against Bomber... he's a beast and still in good position in the overall WCS points standing (top8).
(>'.')>
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
August 25 2013 22:29 GMT
#6109
The promise of the Bomber has been fulfilled!
wozzot
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1227 Posts
August 25 2013 22:30 GMT
#6110
Just leaving this here

이선종 ‏@Startale_Legend
@Startale_Bomber 우승했으니까 말할께 사실 너베게에 침묻히고잤어 그리고 니 자리에있는 건과류 다먹었어 그리고 라면 애들 먹으라고했어 그리고 니컴퓨터 고장난거같아 너의 라면 햇반 다먹었어 우승했으니까 봐주는거다!!

"You're the champion, so I'll tell you this. To be honest, I drooled on your pillow while sleeping, and I ate all of your dried fruit and told everyone to eat your ramen. Also, I think your computer's broken, and all of your ramen and instant rice got eaten. You're the champion, so I'm letting this go!!"
(ノ´∀`*)ノ ♪ ♫ ヽ(´ー`)ノ ♪ ♫ (✌゚∀゚)☞ ♪ ♫ ヽ(´ー`)ノ ♫ ♫ (ノ´_ゝ`)ノ彡 ┻━┻
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 25 2013 22:33 GMT
#6111
Biggest disappointments for me were Maru and probably Polt (and to a lesser extent Innovation, but he's looked fallible lately when not playing vZ).

Alive doing so well was quite a surprise, he was so damn close to beating First and getting the the Ro4... still, he continues to rack up those WCS points quietly (heh invisible terran). And Scarlett had a really nice run. Losing to the eventual champion in the Ro8 in a close series, massive props there. Her ZvT has to be currently the best in the world.
(>'.')>
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
August 25 2013 22:43 GMT
#6112
He beat all the other top 4 finishers in direct games, and they are all different races. No 1.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
August 25 2013 22:45 GMT
#6113
On August 26 2013 00:18 Redfish wrote:
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting really bored with just a bunch of rallied barracks and marines winning these tournaments? If I'm a new player trying to get into Starcraft, this isn't all that exciting.

Yeah it's pretty much just you.

When you prove to the world your a better player, that's usually considered a GOOD win, and it is very exciting to witness.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Zero[1159]
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil101 Posts
August 25 2013 22:52 GMT
#6114
|Noooooo! Not again!
But that's ok, I hope Jaedong keep improving and win a tournament in the near future
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
August 25 2013 22:54 GMT
#6115
On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

Well I'm so glad I got dragged into this.

This is a roughly debatable (with slots 6-10) but solid list
1. (T)Flash
2. (T)NaDa
3. (Z)Jaedong
4. (Z)sAviOr
5. (T)Oov
6. (P)Bisu
7. (T)BoxeR
8. (Z)JulyZerg
9. (T)Fantasy
10. (P)Stork

Jaedong wasn't even two rofl. Call me out when you have a solid BW foundation. Fanboiyism doesn't change stats or history. I know where Bisu sits and I'm comfortable with it.

On August 26 2013 02:27 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 26 2013 01:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 26 2013 01:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ha lichter has to do this

Lois u followed me <3


I never found you with your stupid double x

rofl, smallville reference?

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

To Bisudagger, Bisu is way ahead of Flash even though Flash always wins their series XD

Bisu beat Flash in the winner's league finals and the PL finals when Flash looked unbeatable in his vP. But I made this statement earlier and I think it frames the situation well.

It's like telling a shaq fan that they are anti micheal jordan
I can love one of the greatest for his position (shaq) and still have respect for the greatest of all time (Jordan). Which is why I have no qualm about saying Flash was the greatest BW player ever. But Bisu was the greatest protoss.

On August 26 2013 02:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:27 BigFan wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 26 2013 01:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 26 2013 01:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ha lichter has to do this

Lois u followed me <3


I never found you with your stupid double x

rofl, smallville reference?

On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

To Bisudagger, Bisu is way ahead of Flash even though Flash always wins their series XD

Going full bisudagger: Bisu won when it mattered teh most (hint, SPL).

Thanks buddy.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
halfaspider
Profile Joined August 2013
United States31 Posts
August 25 2013 23:00 GMT
#6116
On August 26 2013 07:33 jonich0n wrote:
Biggest disappointments for me were Maru and probably Polt (and to a lesser extent Innovation, but he's looked fallible lately when not playing vZ).

Alive doing so well was quite a surprise, he was so damn close to beating First and getting the the Ro4... still, he continues to rack up those WCS points quietly (heh invisible terran). And Scarlett had a really nice run. Losing to the eventual champion in the Ro8 in a close series, massive props there. Her ZvT has to be currently the best in the world.

I agree, but do find it a little troubling that the best ZvTer in the world, Scarlett, lost to a Terran who's weakest matchup is probably his TvZ. This goes for Bomber as well as Alive I think.
whatup
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
August 25 2013 23:02 GMT
#6117
On August 26 2013 07:54 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

Well I'm so glad I got dragged into this.

This is a roughly debatable (with slots 6-10) but solid list
1. (T)Flash
2. (T)NaDa
3. (Z)Jaedong
4. (Z)sAviOr
5. (T)Oov
6. (P)Bisu
7. (T)BoxeR
8. (Z)JulyZerg
9. (T)Fantasy
10. (P)Stork

Jaedong wasn't even two rofl. Call me out when you have a solid BW foundation. Fanboiyism doesn't change stats or history. I know where Bisu sits and I'm comfortable with it.

I don't know what your fighting words post supposed to mean but here
Entropy137
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada215 Posts
August 25 2013 23:05 GMT
#6118
standard tvz play has gotten so cost efficient for these pros. So brutal for these zergies
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
August 25 2013 23:13 GMT
#6119
On August 26 2013 08:02 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 07:54 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

Well I'm so glad I got dragged into this.

This is a roughly debatable (with slots 6-10) but solid list
1. (T)Flash
2. (T)NaDa
3. (Z)Jaedong
4. (Z)sAviOr
5. (T)Oov
6. (P)Bisu
7. (T)BoxeR
8. (Z)JulyZerg
9. (T)Fantasy
10. (P)Stork

Jaedong wasn't even two rofl. Call me out when you have a solid BW foundation. Fanboiyism doesn't change stats or history. I know where Bisu sits and I'm comfortable with it.

I don't know what your fighting words post supposed to mean but here

Wow. There was a list on TL this whole time? I'm sure it is complete and accurate depiction of the history of BW and their accomplishments all compiled into the decision making of that list and not just based on how certain players won enough games in a row to top that list.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
August 25 2013 23:17 GMT
#6120
On August 26 2013 08:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 08:02 1Dhalism wrote:
On August 26 2013 07:54 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:25 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:10 johnnyapplec wrote:
Funny thing is that jaedong is also 2nd on wcs points
Just can't get first

maybe he will also get second place in The PowerRank this august ... seriously though he is almost always 2nd place in BW .. he is considered the 2nd greatest BW player next to flash (though i doubt that BisuDagger thinks the same) .. and he is the second zerg player who is revolutionizing the zerg race(savior is the first one) bigtime ..

Well I'm so glad I got dragged into this.

This is a roughly debatable (with slots 6-10) but solid list
1. (T)Flash
2. (T)NaDa
3. (Z)Jaedong
4. (Z)sAviOr
5. (T)Oov
6. (P)Bisu
7. (T)BoxeR
8. (Z)JulyZerg
9. (T)Fantasy
10. (P)Stork

Jaedong wasn't even two rofl. Call me out when you have a solid BW foundation. Fanboiyism doesn't change stats or history. I know where Bisu sits and I'm comfortable with it.

I don't know what your fighting words post supposed to mean but here

Wow. There was a list on TL this whole time? I'm sure it is complete and accurate depiction of the history of BW and their accomplishments all compiled into the decision making of that list and not just based on how certain players won enough games in a row to top that list.

There is evidence to suggest Jaedong was #2 player in the world. It's your right to think that this evidence is inconclusive, but to think that your home made list somehow trumps it, and to call people fanboys over not believing in your perfectly subjective list is foolish.
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