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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5801
On August 26 2013 00:33 lichter wrote:
What the fuck

this actually happened?

ugggghhhh

You are quite late to the party. Start delivering.
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5802
On August 26 2013 00:31 c0ldfusion wrote:
Even Scarlett fell to Bomber with superior ZvT.

Bomber is just a beast.
Though, any of Bomber, Taeja, Polt, Innovation would have decimated both Zergs IMO.


Winning 3-2 is decimated? We will never know but it would have been awesome to see Scarlett against those guys with how she played this weekend. Hope she keeps that form going
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5803
On August 26 2013 00:35 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:17 Bagi wrote:
Scarletts ZvT was miles ahead of Jaedongs.

She could've made the finals great, but alas.

ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.


How does that even make sense. Do you believe Bomber ist he best player in the world? :x Not to mention that a close-loss to him doesn't make you second best in the world...

Taeja also lost close to him. Also 2nd best? :x


It was the world championship finals. Winning it gives Bomber a good claim to be the best player in the world.

taeja and inno both have better TvZ and at least taeja is better at TvP. it's really only TvT in which bomber is better than taeja and inno, which sucks when they meet head to head.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5804
On August 26 2013 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:35 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:17 Bagi wrote:
Scarletts ZvT was miles ahead of Jaedongs.

She could've made the finals great, but alas.

ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.


How does that even make sense. Do you believe Bomber ist he best player in the world? :x Not to mention that a close-loss to him doesn't make you second best in the world...

Taeja also lost close to him. Also 2nd best? :x


It was the world championship finals. Winning it gives Bomber a good claim to be the best player in the world.

One tournament does not a #1 on the power rank make - Confucius

any talk about who's the "best player in the world" is just people posting speculative opinions anyway, even when innovation was so successful it was kind of a stretch to act like he was 1000x better than everyone else

but that's fine, the discussion is just for fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. but yeah, there's no "best in the world," just best recent results
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5805
On August 26 2013 00:35 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:17 Bagi wrote:
Scarletts ZvT was miles ahead of Jaedongs.

She could've made the finals great, but alas.

ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.


How does that even make sense. Do you believe Bomber ist he best player in the world? :x Not to mention that a close-loss to him doesn't make you second best in the world...

Taeja also lost close to him. Also 2nd best? :x


It was the world championship finals. Winning it gives Bomber a good claim to be the best player in the world.


No it does not. Seriously what the hell? He won over Grubby/First/Scarlett/TaeJa/Jaedong.

That doesn't make you the best player in the world, regardless of the people that participated. Maru won OSL over INnoVation, Rain. Sora beat down SoulKey, Curious, Bomber and various others at WCG Korea. Its stupid to say he's the best because he won the WCS season finals
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5806
On August 26 2013 00:36 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:33 c0ldfusion wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:31 hummingbird23 wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer?


SoulKey


She's good, but IMHO, she isn't flexible enough. I have a feeling that if Bomber had actually pulled out that triple bunker on her on Planet S, she'd have gone down just as quickly, if not worse than Jaedong (ok fine, it's hard to screw up worse than sitting your 5 range queens on low ground). And she keeps letting hellion packs in. What she does seem to have are stellar mechanics and a pretty good knack for picking engagements.


lol it's too bad soulkey wasn't here

with Innovation getting taken out in TvT and TvP, SK would have taken the championship with ease.

With ease? Soulkey was beaten in ZvT by Supernova. You think Bomber or Taeja couldn't have done it?

On this stage? Without weeks of prepared builds in between? Yes I think SK would have beaten them.

Oh don't get me wrong I give Soulkey the edge, but I think "with ease" was the statement I wanted to dispute.
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HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
August 25 2013 15:37 GMT
#5807
Scarlett second best player in the world. Jaedong doesn't even compares to her grasp of TvZ
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44272 Posts
August 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#5808
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t
this is a quote
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
August 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#5809
On August 26 2013 00:33 tns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:32 Tyrhanius wrote:
The really problem of TvZ is when Zerg is behind, the game is over. But Terran, even behind can always come back.
So if Zerg doesn't do perfect scouting/reaction, engage, tech choice during the whole game : gg.

Really dessapointed to see, this. We know game was over like 10 minutes before...

WoL patch zerg era was full of zergs comeback... let LotV evolved ;o

Not really, and not from that ridiculous oneggmineshot
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#5810
On August 26 2013 00:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:17 Bagi wrote:
Scarletts ZvT was miles ahead of Jaedongs.

She could've made the finals great, but alas.

ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.

Absolutely no.

She's definitely top 10.
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
August 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#5811
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#5812
On August 26 2013 00:36 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:33 c0ldfusion wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:31 hummingbird23 wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer?


SoulKey


She's good, but IMHO, she isn't flexible enough. I have a feeling that if Bomber had actually pulled out that triple bunker on her on Planet S, she'd have gone down just as quickly, if not worse than Jaedong (ok fine, it's hard to screw up worse than sitting your 5 range queens on low ground). And she keeps letting hellion packs in. What she does seem to have are stellar mechanics and a pretty good knack for picking engagements.


lol it's too bad soulkey wasn't here

with Innovation getting taken out in TvT and TvP, SK would have taken the championship with ease.

With ease? Soulkey was beaten in ZvT by Supernova. You think Bomber or Taeja couldn't have done it?

On this stage? Without weeks of prepared builds in between? Yes I think SK would have beaten them.

SK lost with 6 pool against rax 1st, then won in some bizarre game against meching SuperNova (<3 him for that) and then lost to bio-mine rally IIRC. No prepared builds in fact, except mech.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5813
On August 26 2013 00:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Scarlett second best player in the world. Jaedong doesn't even compares to her grasp of TvZ


She's far from being the second best in the world, but clearly her TvZ is much better.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5814
On August 26 2013 00:38 GinDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:17 Bagi wrote:
Scarletts ZvT was miles ahead of Jaedongs.

She could've made the finals great, but alas.

ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.

Absolutely no.

She's definitely top 10.

I persoanlly think lif is still way way better, and liffe is probably not top 10 anymore.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5815
On August 26 2013 00:38 goody153 wrote:
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t


P>T? I don't know about that one. Maybe we should ask Teaja
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HerrHorst
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany140 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5816
On August 26 2013 00:38 goody153 wrote:
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t


Wait, what? This tournament showed us one thing: The better player wins. No need for pointless whining.

lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5817
On August 26 2013 00:38 goody153 wrote:
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t

I think it is still t>z=p>t. Bizzare, i know :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
August 25 2013 15:39 GMT
#5818
On August 26 2013 00:38 goody153 wrote:
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t

people only say this because circular logic is easy to understand... the reality is each matchup is unique and has unique issues facing it

1>2>3>1 is a crazy oversimplification
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 25 2013 15:40 GMT
#5819
On August 26 2013 00:38 goody153 wrote:
so is it official that ? or am i wrong

t>z
z>p
p>t

Some people just want it all to boil down to the race, not the player.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
August 25 2013 15:40 GMT
#5820
Bomber seems solid in all match ups. Just so beautiful play, he really deserves this win. A real top level player.

While Jaedong seemed only strong in PvZ and ZvZ, only getting lucky by having no terrans on his way to the finals.
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