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On August 18 2013 19:42 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 19:40 -Kaiser- wrote: Mines and medivac boost make me feel like maybe Infestors can be unnerfed. uhhmmm .. NO ! seriously innovation is just crazy good in tvz .. i dont even think he ever lost in a macro for a veerrryy long time Unfortunately this same scenario plays out in all top-level Z v T matches.
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game is fking broken, t>>>>>>>>>z, p>>>>>>>>>>>>>t
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On August 18 2013 19:42 Megapenthes wrote: Soulkey outplayed Innovation so bad in that derelict watcher game. Honestly, Terran is so hard to play vs P, and TvT is really hard, but TvZ seems genuinely broken. wrong, Inno was just trolling, around 20min zerg dead animation without seeing clear on it.
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On August 18 2013 19:42 gophario wrote: Soulkey is so good, unfortunately Innovation is not a human being and as such can not be beaten by a mere mortal. Zergs just should give up against Inno.
wait for blizzard to nerf innovation .. he cant just give up yet
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Soulkey vs Innovation reminds me of the 4-0 Polt vs Jaedong.
The games looks similar . . the score too
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Soulkey played so good, doing good trades, surviving the pressure from Innovation. But it doesn't matter against Innovation, he just keeps on building marines.
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On August 18 2013 19:42 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 19:40 -Kaiser- wrote: Mines and medivac boost make me feel like maybe Infestors can be unnerfed. uhhmmm .. NO ! seriously innovation is just crazy good in tvz .. i dont even think he ever lost in a macro for a veerrryy long time If you think it's only Innovation that is winning vs zerg atm then you must be blind.
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On August 18 2013 19:42 Megapenthes wrote: Soulkey outplayed Innovation so bad in that derelict watcher game. Honestly, Terran is so hard to play vs P, and TvT is really hard, but TvZ seems genuinely broken.
Well he kinda had to, if he even wanted a chance, considering his roach-bane failed miserably. At least Soulkey can still enjoy the only time he beat Bogus was the most important (thus far).
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Why are you saying Innovation is just too good?
Did you honestly not watch Polt vs Jaedong? It's the exact same thing. It's definitely not just Innovation so stop fellating him fanboys.
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On August 18 2013 19:43 Fuzzmosis wrote: Man, if only the spire upgraded into producing a siege Unit that does great against entrenched positions, like large terran ground armies. If only they would force things like retreats or pushes forward into the banelings that are struggling to connect!
Why did Brood Lords disappear? Did you see how long it took SK to get Ultras out? It's a matter of getting to Hive and then getting Greater Spire and then getting Corruptors and then buying time for those to morph into Broods. They do definitely still exist (Scarlett vs. aLive) but it's insanely hard to tech to Hive and do anything besides 3/3 and Adrenal Glands if you're under constant pressure.
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On August 18 2013 19:30 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 19:29 Tsubbi wrote:On August 18 2013 19:25 NarutO wrote:On August 18 2013 19:22 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 18 2013 19:20 NarutO wrote:On August 18 2013 19:17 Snusmumriken wrote:On August 18 2013 19:15 Raambo11 wrote:On August 18 2013 19:14 Highways wrote: TvZ in Korea, last three tournaments:
GSL (U&D): 9-4 OSL: 17-7 Proleague: 52-29 Wonder how many of those are from Innovation. It was said only innovation (and maybe flash) could pull of this tvz. Thats obviously false. Any highly skilled terran seems to be able to beat the best zergs in the world pretty easily and I havent seen a zerg win a proper macrogame vs a top-terran in a while now. And i play terran 0_o Saw how MKP looked vs SoulKey, but I guess MKP is completely unskilled to begin with :[ Failed 8-8-8 and roach bane all-in with poor defence. Your point? SoulKey failed roach bane vs 3 CC, still makes a macro game which he should have lost way earlier. In addition, INnoVation also won against SoulKey in WoL 4-0. Did it ever cross your mind that INnoVation might be superior to begin with?-_- Because it seems SoulKey can stand his own ground vs pretty much all other Terrans. oh cmon man stats in korea tell everything, stop being so defensive all the time its objectively obvious that the matchup has problems atm, it might change quickly due to new build / patches but right now why dont you just accept what is happening in korea Because it seems to happen around INnoVation and Flash and not all too much on every level. Why do I even argue with you? You said Zerg was underpowered in WoL with broodlord/infestor, so you are clearly out of it.
Of course not on all levels, but on the higher levels (later stages of WCS NA/EU + WCS KR) Terran do VERY well against Zerg and that's simply a fact. If the Zerg doesn't destroy the Terran with a Roach/Bane all in, the win% are horrifically low, imo. INnoVation is great, won't argue against that, but the style itself seems to be really hard to counter, simply because the Zerg can't really do anything to stabalize during the entire game and are forced to stay in a purely defensive position where the first mistake just crushes everything.
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On August 18 2013 19:45 Megiddosc wrote: Why are you saying Innovation is just too good?
Did you honestly not watch Polt vs Jaedong? It's the exact same thing. It's definitely not just Innovation so stop fellating him fanboys. Yes, we saw Jaedong blundering away huge leads—so?
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On August 18 2013 19:44 BBV wrote: game is fking broken, t>>>>>>>>>z, p>>>>>>>>>>>>>t Have you seen the last OSL and the last GSL?
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need lurker to stop this crap
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On August 18 2013 19:44 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 19:42 goody153 wrote:On August 18 2013 19:40 -Kaiser- wrote: Mines and medivac boost make me feel like maybe Infestors can be unnerfed. uhhmmm .. NO ! seriously innovation is just crazy good in tvz .. i dont even think he ever lost in a macro for a veerrryy long time If you think it's only Innovation that is winning vs zerg atm then you must be blind.
i know .. tvz winrates are pretty good this time around .. but infestors are probably not the best choice to unnerf/buff .. you could probably buff z in other means not just the derpfestors
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The only way SK can win is when inno is having a bad day,, man what could he have done that was better? As a spectator it feels like the zerg is sending its units to an endless meatgrinder that doesn't end well and the T producing non stop even with its workers ravaged from all angles.
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On August 18 2013 19:46 BBV wrote: need lurker to stop this crap Totally agree with this. Lurker is in my mind for the last couple of weeks
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On August 18 2013 19:46 BBV wrote: need lurker to stop this crap Ironically, though i am against all those 'bring lurker back' cries, it really feels like lurker is the actual solution to this bio-mine stuff. But then again, there are marauders so you never know.
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On August 18 2013 19:45 Megiddosc wrote: Why are you saying Innovation is just too good?
Did you honestly not watch Polt vs Jaedong? It's the exact same thing. It's definitely not just Innovation so stop fellating him fanboys.
He played superbly. Perfect micro, perfect macro. Not sure why terran players would not appreciate such exceptional play.
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