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[WCS EU] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 83

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#1641
At this point I think grubby loses the series unless he can overcome the Templar curse a second time.
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#1642
On August 11 2013 01:23 below66 wrote:
holy crap I did not expect grubby to lose so quickly after that mistake vortix did, and grubby taking down that whole first army.

He killed some sentries and took down the energy on the rest of them, and the MSC too. He even retained some of his hydras, honestly wasn't even ''a hold''.
It appears I have been chosen.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
August 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#1643
He would have to have Collo to hold that third right?

It just doesn't seem possible to economically trade w/ gateway + immortal vs hydra/roach/speedling over and over.
I cant stop lactating
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#1644
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1645
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

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TL+ Member
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1646
On August 11 2013 01:23 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:20 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Never saw that new units lost tab before which details exactly which units were killed. I was waiting for a feature like this, and I'm so glad WCS EU is taking the initiative with this.

they implented it in the last patch.
you might go nuts if you havent seen the zoomout yet.

I know about the zoom-out feature, I've just never seen the new units lost tab. I don't see WCS EU frequently, and I have yet to see WCS Korea or NA use it, so its new to me.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1647
Man Grubby looks extremely uncomfortable/nervous. I don't know how his meditating or whatever works for him but to me he doesn't look like he's in the right mindset for competition. o_O
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1648
On August 11 2013 01:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
VortiX's style contrasts with most other Zergs I've seen recently playing against an early Protoss third. While most play for the late-game with +1 Missile Attacks early and going for a fourth with Hive, VortiX prefers the aggression, which I like to see.


Don't all (Kespa) Korean pros play like that? Hydra, Effort, Soulkey. All the strong ZvPers play quite offensive as far as I remember.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1649
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

terrible day ;<
It appears I have been chosen.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#1650
Keep in mind that Grubby is a smart player who learns from his mistakes and adapts his playstyle after a loss.
you no take candle
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 16:26:40
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1651
On August 11 2013 01:25 Gentso wrote:
Man Grubby looks extremely uncomfortable/nervous. I don't know how his meditating or whatever works for him but to me he doesn't look like he's in the right mindset for competition. o_O

That's what he always does, he tries to keep his cool. He's been a competitor for so many years, I think he knows what works .

On August 11 2013 01:24 _Darwin_ wrote:
He would have to have Collo to hold that third right?

It just doesn't seem possible to economically trade w/ gateway + immortal vs hydra/roach/speedling over and over.

I think so too, yeah.
It appears I have been chosen.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1652
On August 11 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:23 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:11 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:55 AgentW wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:49 Noc- wrote:
[quote]

Please tell me how finale aka duckdeok is a no name? That no name Korean was in Code S too.


results speak for themselves

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Duckdeok/Results

One brief Code S appearance, and a top 16 at NASL season 4

He is not a no-name, people know who Finale is if they've watched GSTL and GSL.

If name is based off results like he said, wouldnt that make nearly every foreigner a no name?

I.... I guess so.

I think it exposes how ridiculous it is for people to say people are known by results alone. FFS, only one guy can win every tournament. It's not like there's one a week and it's common to be a champion.


Basically it's claiming that a "no-name" Korean = Hasn't won a GSL/ MLG/ DH, which is hilarious because those Koreans can still beat the best (let alone the average) foreigner.


Yeah that is probably the main reason for the decline of SC2 as e-sport.


I hear there's a tombstone already picked out for e-sports.


Well the other games seems to being doing okay. No of course SC2 is not going die completely but I honestly think that KESPAs movement into SC2 is in a long term perspective will cause a dramatic reduction in the amount of people watching SC2.

Korea was already heavily dominating before, now they started to dominate twice as hard and that was the last thing SC2 needed. Not only do we have a situation were 95 out of the 100 best players are from one country which of course is terrible thing on it own. However to make things even worse have 90% of these players almost no means for connecting to an audience outside of Korea.

Not only do they have a introverted/none public personalities but are also none exclusively monolingual, only communicating in a language that extremely few people outside of South Korea understand.

So yeah, it is just bad all around for SC2 as a whole.


You realize there's a whole lot of games other than SC2, DotA2 and LoL right?



Yeah, but I do however not realize how that information relates to my post
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1653
On August 11 2013 01:25 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

terrible day ;<

You threw your stock in with Artosis. That was your first and only mistake.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10138 Posts
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1654
On August 11 2013 01:24 _Darwin_ wrote:
He would have to have Collo to hold that third right?

It just doesn't seem possible to economically trade w/ gateway + immortal vs hydra/roach/speedling over and over.

He lost a lot of energy and too many sentries to hold the first wave, he was doomed as vortix chose to continue trading.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 16:27:00
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1655
On August 11 2013 01:26 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:25 Fyzar wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

terrible day ;<

You threw your stock in with Artosis. That was your first and only mistake.

I still do not believe!!!
but I was rooting for maru anyway
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TL+ Member
Bahajinbo
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany488 Posts
August 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#1656
Gogo Grubby, now 3-1. You have to take down VortiX. There is no place for Zerg in a ro4.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 10 2013 16:27 GMT
#1657
On August 11 2013 01:26 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:25 Fyzar wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

terrible day ;<

You threw your stock in with Artosis. That was your first and only mistake.

I didn't . Prayed to the gods that he would choose + Show Spoiler +
Maru
, but alas, he didn't ;_;.
It appears I have been chosen.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 10 2013 16:27 GMT
#1658
Which "P" word describes Grubby?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 10 2013 16:27 GMT
#1659
On August 11 2013 01:26 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:23 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:11 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:55 AgentW wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 11 2013 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
[quote]

results speak for themselves

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Duckdeok/Results

One brief Code S appearance, and a top 16 at NASL season 4

He is not a no-name, people know who Finale is if they've watched GSTL and GSL.

If name is based off results like he said, wouldnt that make nearly every foreigner a no name?

I.... I guess so.

I think it exposes how ridiculous it is for people to say people are known by results alone. FFS, only one guy can win every tournament. It's not like there's one a week and it's common to be a champion.


Basically it's claiming that a "no-name" Korean = Hasn't won a GSL/ MLG/ DH, which is hilarious because those Koreans can still beat the best (let alone the average) foreigner.


Yeah that is probably the main reason for the decline of SC2 as e-sport.


I hear there's a tombstone already picked out for e-sports.


Well the other games seems to being doing okay. No of course SC2 is not going die completely but I honestly think that KESPAs movement into SC2 is in a long term perspective will cause a dramatic reduction in the amount of people watching SC2.

Korea was already heavily dominating before, now they started to dominate twice as hard and that was the last thing SC2 needed. Not only do we have a situation were 95 out of the 100 best players are from one country which of course is terrible thing on it own. However to make things even worse have 90% of these players almost no means for connecting to an audience outside of Korea.

Not only do they have a introverted/none public personalities but are also none exclusively monolingual, only communicating in a language that extremely few people outside of South Korea understand.

So yeah, it is just bad all around for SC2 as a whole.


You realize there's a whole lot of games other than SC2, DotA2 and LoL right?



Yeah, but I do however not realize how that information relates to my post


You say "Well the other games seems to being doing okay. " even though SC2 is almost consistently the #3 game on Twitch, sometimes even #2. How is it doing so poorly again?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 10 2013 16:27 GMT
#1660
On August 11 2013 01:27 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 01:26 AgentW wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:25 Fyzar wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:24 75 wrote:
On August 11 2013 01:23 Zheryn wrote:
Gah, Grubby, please identify this all-inish style and play safe and kill this kid or this would be the worst SC2 day in a long time.

osl spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
MARUUUUUU WON !!!!!!!
its a great day.

terrible day ;<

You threw your stock in with Artosis. That was your first and only mistake.

I didn't . Prayed to the gods that he would choose + Show Spoiler +
Maru
, but alas, he didn't ;_;.

+ Show Spoiler +
Artosis predicting against a protoss? Ahahhahahaha

Glorious SEA doto
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