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KoDo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States683 Posts
August 09 2013 21:38 GMT
#1001
1k Uhh I mean damn those were some crazy games
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 00:42:14
August 10 2013 00:30 GMT
#1002
On August 09 2013 19:09 HolyArrow wrote:
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On August 09 2013 15:57 Scarecrow wrote:
As a contrast, you can see in team kills like the recent Rain vs Fantasy OSL match that true pro's understand the importance of maintaining team/player/tourney integrity and fan-service.


I guess one of BW's bonjwas wasn't a "true pro" either. Also, I'm not saying that Fantasy threw, but there's no evidence that he didn't throw either (and it's not like that series was anything but mediocre, so I don't know what you mean by "fan-service").

Yes, of course Savior matchfixing wasn't remotely professional. Fantasy's game you can't tell, and that is important (you've got Bush logic btw, there's no evidence they don't have WMD's!). The appearance of competition is far better than what Crank did. Also game 2 featured a lot of harass/positional nukes which definitely comes under fan service.

Also a 'true pro' does the job they are paid to do. Compete. Crank clearly didn't give a shit about the fans or his sponsor and you call me stupid for saying he's not a true pro... His statement just convinces me how bogus he is.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:14:37
August 10 2013 01:56 GMT
#1003
On August 10 2013 09:30 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 19:09 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 09 2013 15:57 Scarecrow wrote:
As a contrast, you can see in team kills like the recent Rain vs Fantasy OSL match that true pro's understand the importance of maintaining team/player/tourney integrity and fan-service.


I guess one of BW's bonjwas wasn't a "true pro" either. Also, I'm not saying that Fantasy threw, but there's no evidence that he didn't throw either (and it's not like that series was anything but mediocre, so I don't know what you mean by "fan-service").

Yes, of course Savior matchfixing wasn't remotely professional. Fantasy's game you can't tell, and that is important (you've got Bush logic btw, there's no evidence they don't have WMD's!). The appearance of competition is far better than what Crank did. Also game 2 featured a lot of harass/positional nukes which definitely comes under fan service.

Also a 'true pro' does the job they are paid to do. Compete. Crank clearly didn't give a shit about the fans or his sponsor and you call me stupid for saying he's not a true pro... His statement just convinces me how bogus he is.


All you're doing is arbitrarily bestowing a positive-sounding title upon players on the basis of a multitude of assumptions while acting like you actually know what happened in reality, for both the Crank vs. Alicia and the Fantasy vs. Rain cases. The fact is we don't know what truly happened in either case, but you're acting like you do, and I find your level of sureness to be quite silly.

Your "Bush logic" accusation also doesn't make any sense. You're basically saying that "Bush logic" is "guilty until proven innocent". I am obviously not doing that, and I even explicitly assume innocence in my previous post. What I'm doing is saying that despite me presuming innocence, there still definitely exists a lack of certainty.

I also find it strange that you're implying that the mere appearance of competition is enough to establish integrity. So, are you claiming that if two players are just really good dressing up a throw as a close, competitive game, then they have integrity (if you are, I find that strange)? A very clear example of the assumptions that you're making is that you say that a true pro competes, and you also say that even though we can't tell with Fantasy vs. Rain, there's the appearance of competition. However, competing != appearing to compete, and also, not appearing to compete != not competing, yet you're quick to label Fantasy and Rain as "true pros" and Alicia and Crank as not, which I find pretty unfair.

Lastly, I don't know what you define as "fanservice", but it could even be argued that fanservice inherently goes against the spirit of competition, because it implies that the inspiration for a certain tactic being used is at least partly to entertain the spectators, rather than solely because it's the best option that will ensure victory.
Heavenlee
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United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 02:07:34
August 11 2013 02:07 GMT
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