[WCS EU] RO16 Group C Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 44

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Xoronius

Germany6362 Posts

August 07 2013 17:35 GMT

#861

On August 08 2013 02:34 Yello wrote:

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no, I agree. Those green shirts were awesome

I actually think so as well. But it is a dangerous opinion in here.

HolydaKing

21254 Posts

August 07 2013 17:35 GMT

#862

On August 08 2013 02:34 BlackCompany wrote:

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Hyun would like to have a word with you

Omg, truely. Hyun is bonjwa regarding fashion sense.

Mensol

14536 Posts

August 07 2013 17:35 GMT

#863

wrong thread.

TimENT

United States1425 Posts

August 07 2013 17:35 GMT

#864

MMA with that GOAT micro

rearee

15 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#865

On August 08 2013 02:31 Cyrak wrote:

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Validation of game quality. When its foreign vs. foreign no one takes it seriously.

Every time some foreigner does win against a korean though it's always 'oh, he was too tired to compete properly' or 'oh, he's not as good as he used to be'
It's just seen as validation for how washed up the korean player has become

gedatsu

1286 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#866

On August 08 2013 02:34 Greendotz wrote:

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*Korean's go through*
"Damn, all these Korean's stealing our spots, it's suposed to be the EU league!"

*Korean's get knocked out early*
"Well that's me done, on one wants to see low level play"

Hey I have an idea. Maybe it's not the same people saying both those things.

Fuchsteufelswild

Australia2028 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#867

On August 08 2013 02:35 AgentW wrote:

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What? I thought everyone hated those shirts.

Maybe you don't know the opinion of every single person on the forums? It's just a THOUGHT...

Thallis

United States314 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#868

On August 08 2013 02:29 Big J wrote:

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On August 08 2013 02:20 Thallis wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:16 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:13 Thallis wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:10 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:06 Nebuchad wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:02 Zenbrez wrote:

On August 08 2013 01:59 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 01:56 DJHelium wrote:
The best thing about the void rays is that you don't have to target fire, they will kill the hydras first anyway. As soon as you see them targeting a roach, just activate them.

I don't think Tefel is reacting to this build in a good way, infestors would at least twice as good.

I think people overestimate infestors for that. Fungal has been nerfed by 10damage vs armored and infestors are really expensive in the midgame. He would get at most 10infestors instead of the 30hydras he was working with.

Imo, the way to go against this style is either blindcounter the third with an allin or sit on 4bases forever with hydra/viper/swarmhost/statics.

Edit: fungal is still good vs void rays, but it's not affordable to deal with them in the midgame.

You underestimate it. You don't need 10 infestors. You only use them for fungal, ITs are useless. Voidrays stack a loooot - sure he could split them, but lets be honest, nobody really does. Even having just 2 infestors, pinning them and dealing 50-60 dmg (since people generally overlap the fungals) to ALL of them is hugely significant. A pure hydra army won't do the job

I don't think you should base your strategy on your opponent playing shit. Naniwa scouted a lot. Had he seen infestors, he would have surely presplit his army.

That's a bit unrealistic. That's like saying, "don't ever go for templars in PvT, the terran is good, he will split his bio."

Just look at the numbers... Tefel had ~30hydralisks. Now if he goes infestors as well he immidiatly misses 5 of them (infestation pit + energy upgrade) for the tech and 3 for each infestor he builds due to the gas being the limiting factor. The remaining army will be mostly zerglings with 10 hydras and 5 infestors. That's simply not enough.

You don't have to be split perfectly, just having an arc in which not more than 5 voidrays get fungaled at once (there are only 5fungals) will be enough to hold.

Sure, but that assumes he stays on 3 bases and attacks with that army instead of having a good economy and attacking in open areas.

well, if he doesn't attack at that timing it will be a completely different thing. Then he has to consider how to beat Protoss in the lategame when Templars and Colossi are out. Which leads me back to what I was saying. He should go 4base swarmhost turtle, because that's the only style that works against a Protoss in full force in the lategame if he has voidrays or immortals to shut down ultras.

Nani couldn't go Colo with that much of his supply tied up in void rays. He'd have to sacrifice units and have a few minutes committed to make the switch, more than enough for zerg to react. Swarm host turtle is good against just about everything, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing good against anything.

a) nani would not have gone colossus initially. He would have gone templar just as in game2 which rape hydras and infestors.
b) what should a zergs reaction to a templar/void ray army be from a hydra/infestor mix? Well, I can answer you. Swarm hosts and static defenses, because those things can keep the templar back. It is the only style against this kind of air play with splash support. Or do you think running roach/hydra/viper/infestor into storms will work out better?

My mistake, I thought you were suggesting that the only way to deal with it is to open swarm host turtle into 4 bases.

renaissanceMAN

United States1840 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#869

On August 08 2013 02:35 TimENT wrote:
MMA with that GOAT micro

MKP would like a word with you.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#870

On August 08 2013 02:36 renaissanceMAN wrote:

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MKP would like a word with you.

BoxeR plz.

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

August 07 2013 17:36 GMT

#871

MMA vs

Happy
1-0

Map: Bel'shir Vestige
MMA spawns in the bottom right
Happy spawns in the top left

1:00
MMA getting a gas before barracks.
Happy seems to be opening normally.

2:00
Both players are building barracks.

3:00
MMA getting a factory.
Happy starts a reaper.
Factory for Happy as the reaper finishes.

4:00
Happy about to attack with a reaper, marine, and SCV but it's easily fended off with no losses.
Starport for MMA.

5:00
Engineering bay for happy.
Hellions for happy.
MMA getting a banshee with cloak.
Happy getting a missile turret and a starport of his own.
MMA getting a tank.