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[WCS EU] RO16 Group A Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 138
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Sevre
Ireland619 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Dingodile wrote: You have no idea... Combined with sc2 + a rts game before sc2 Grubby is the King of Foreigner. Stephano is nothing compared to Grubby. Stephano "only" won 4 international sc2 tournaments and no in wc3. Grubby with >30 international tournaments wins in wc3. Read my above post, not suggesting that Grubby is some unaccomplished scrub who's lucked his way into the ro8 here. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Xoronius wrote: So... who is the favorite to win WCS EU now? I am almost tempted to say Naniwa, if he can make it out of his group. Im curious to know how he feels about his PvT now. Last time I saw him he stated that it was by far his weakest matchup and he didnt feel confident at all. I think that was at the last MLG. But yeah, he sure is one of the favourites. edit: heh I feel a bit sad for hasuobs now. He came first (!) in this grp but Grubby stole all the attention. | ||
Xantos
Germany187 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 IntoTheheart wrote: We still have the Duck... and MC. As well as MMA... maybe one of them will be able to take it. I'd like to see an MC vs. Duckdeok finals. Whilst I appreciate everyone who is a fan of (some or all) Korean players, I have little understanding how one can be SO biased towards Koreans. It's more entertaining (even for you, if you root for Koreans generally) & "better for the scene" if some non-Korean players do well and get far in big tournaments. Thx btw. at the players and the production crew - it was one of the most entertaining stream nights I've witnessed so far! | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Xoronius wrote: So... who is the favorite to win WCS EU now? I am almost tempted to say Naniwa, if he can make it out of his group. He has a tough group and hasn't had much practise in PvT from korean ladder (2 terrans in his group), plus he already started whining on twitter, so I wouldn't have too high hopes. It would be awesome to see him go far tho. Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1h hmm not looking forward to wcs anymore.. it looks VERY warm! ;( Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1h and also its in germany :'( | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Xoronius wrote: So... who is the favorite to win WCS EU now? I am almost tempted to say Naniwa, if he can make it out of his group. Depends but HasuObs´ PvP is outstanding as far as I know... | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Xoronius wrote: So... who is the favorite to win WCS EU now? I am almost tempted to say Naniwa, if he can make it out of his group. MMA has actually quietly been playing very well, and is creeping his way up ELO charts (kind of like San). He beat players in the WCG qualifiers better than any of the competition he'll face here. He is the favorite to win I think. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:38 Xantos wrote: Whilst I appreciate everyone who is a fan of (some or all) Korean players, I have little understanding how one can be SO biased towards Koreans. It's more entertaining (even for you, if you root for Koreans generally) & "better for the scene" if some non-Korean players do well and get far in big tournaments. Thx btw. at the players and the production crew - it was one of the most entertaining stream nights I've witnessed so far! I honestly just wanted to see MC vs. Duckdeok. Would've made for a brilliantly anticlimactic showdown. edit: and also yeah, nice job production crew and casters. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:38 Xantos wrote: Whilst I appreciate everyone who is a fan of (some or all) Korean players, I have little understanding how one can be SO biased towards Koreans. It's more entertaining (even for you, if you root for Koreans generally) & "better for the scene" if some non-Korean players do well and get far in big tournaments. Thx btw. at the players and the production crew - it was one of the most entertaining stream nights I've witnessed so far! Hey, I'm Korean. There are foreigners who root for their own country no matter what... so why can't I do the same? Is it really that hard to understand bias towards Koreans? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:38 Xantos wrote: Whilst I appreciate everyone who is a fan of (some or all) Korean players, I have little understanding how one can be SO biased towards Koreans. It's more entertaining (even for you, if you root for Koreans generally) & "better for the scene" if some non-Korean players do well and get far in big tournaments. Thx btw. at the players and the production crew - it was one of the most entertaining stream nights I've witnessed so far! /Sign Great production, nice evening with surprising but beautiful results. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:18 ThomasjServo wrote: That is how you're going to try and best that post? Are you 5 years old? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26282 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:41 Entirety wrote: Hey, I'm Korean. There are foreigners who root for their own country no matter what... so why can't I do the same? Is it really that hard to understand bias towards Koreans? By all means that's fine. Just the chief argument of those who support Koreans are that they are merely doing so because they are the best players and that it is pure meritocracy. Ergo, to me it seems silly to stop watching a tournament when the lose, because by that previously established rationale, by losing to foreigners they aren't the best-performing players in that tournament | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:38 Xantos wrote: Whilst I appreciate everyone who is a fan of (some or all) Korean players, I have little understanding how one can be SO biased towards Koreans. It's more entertaining (even for you, if you root for Koreans generally) & "better for the scene" if some non-Korean players do well and get far in big tournaments. Thx btw. at the players and the production crew - it was one of the most entertaining stream nights I've witnessed so far! He loves rooting for the best, nothing wrong with that. If more foreign players wanted his fan-ship, then maybe they should get better results. | ||
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Evenshade
131 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:34 Xoronius wrote: So... who is the favorite to win WCS EU now? I am almost tempted to say Naniwa, if he can make it out of his group. I hope he is learning how to "Rain". He expressed he is huge admirer of Rain already, i think he is improving greatly on Korea  | ||
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Absentia
United Kingdom973 Posts
Any Korean that didn't participate in GSL Code S or Code A has historically been referred to as a Code B Korean. Presumably that understanding extends to WCS Korea but I suppose we could re-evaluate what constitutes a Code B Korean if defensive Mvp fans are dissatisfied with that understanding. In any case, Mvp's results have been wildly inconsistent for some time. Him dropping out of WCS EU shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:44 Wombat_NI wrote: By all means that's fine. Just the chief argument of those who support Koreans are that they are merely doing so because they are the best players and that it is pure meritocracy. Ergo, to me it seems silly to stop watching a tournament when the lose, because by that previously established rationale, by losing to foreigners they aren't the best-performing players in that tournament did you not notice that everyone is saying they aren't going to watch now that Mvp is out despite there still being two other popular Koreans in MMA and MC left? It just means they're only watching for Mvp which is perfectly fine considering how much sc2 there is to watch, you pick your favorites and follow them. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26282 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:48 Dodgin wrote: did you not notice that everyone is saying they aren't going to watch now that Mvp is out despite there still being two other popular Koreans in MMA and MC left? It just means they're only watching for Mvp which is perfectly fine considering how much sc2 there is to watch, you pick your favorites and follow them. It's perfectly fine if you call a spade a spade instead of justifying your support of Koreans > foreigners as being different from bias or personal preference | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
he calls mvp code B (like he was never fall there before ^^) as i remember 2-3 vs innovation last finals out ? close and not even deserved ? winning eu ? sure he is so bad how can we be happy beating him ... omg ^^ On August 06 2013 07:47 Absentia wrote: Any Korean that didn't participate in GSL Code S or Code A has historically been referred to as a Code B Korean. Presumably that understanding extends to WCS Korea but I suppose we could re-evaluate what constitutes a Code B Korean if defensive Mvp fans are dissatisfied with that understanding. In any case, Mvp's results have been wildly inconsistent for some time. Him dropping out of WCS EU shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise. wjhat ? winning wcs eu last seasonwith raping tlo and dimaga and then loosing in overallfinals close to i think innovations ? this dude cant even FEEL HIS HANDS so he cant even see if he clicks or not lol ... he is a monster | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:41 Entirety wrote: Hey, I'm Korean. There are foreigners who root for their own country no matter what... so why can't I do the same? Is it really that hard to understand bias towards Koreans? Yes because for most of those for defend such positions, it makes little sense and even go beyond being a simple fan. It can involve undermining foreign players results, overrating koreans on every aspect of the game, using more than dubious proofs to prove their points, or simply insulting the dedication and risks foreign players have when compared to koreans - which is completely bullshit as explained by theognis in his recent blog post. At the end of the day, you support who you want but the way you do tell a lot about you. I am a total bitch when Millenium players are still in but I totally accept people doing the same with particular players or teams, just not with based on Korea versus Foreigner. PS : Hyvaa is bad | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:44 Wombat_NI wrote: By all means that's fine. Just the chief argument of those who support Koreans are that they are merely doing so because they are the best players and that it is pure meritocracy. Ergo, to me it seems silly to stop watching a tournament when the lose, because by that previously established rationale, by losing to foreigners they aren't the best-performing players in that tournament I think the phenomenon has more to do with self-loathing and actually wanting to see your countrymen lose to the asian giants than with being westerner who is a fan of asian players. If you wonder why that is, there's plenty of explanations that vary from person to person, one popular one being the fact that since most people consider succeeding at Starcraft very hard and in fact suck in the game it's cool to believe there's absolutely no hope anyway since asians win everything always anyway. The attacks on western players after they win tournaments or crucial elimination matches are beyond unreasonable and unrealistic, and it's (usually) not Koreans who are doing it, it's other westerners trying to undermine their peers' accomplishments by any means possible. | ||
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