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On August 10 2013 18:41 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:40 Undead1993 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:39 Mafab wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 VisonKai wrote:
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Tasteless says "piggyback".
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Maru cheeses. 7 gulps won't make you drunk though  It all depends on how big are shots.
I've seen US visitors that got drunk from 3 beers. Not even kidding.
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On August 10 2013 18:38 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:33 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:32 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:30 ssxsilver wrote:On August 10 2013 18:28 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:26 BongChambers wrote:On August 10 2013 18:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:23 RiZu wrote:On August 10 2013 18:22 Nebuchad wrote:
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I think best TvPer is either Polt or Gumiho. Innovation... he's awesome ofc, but I wouldn't call him a TvP specialist, just overall good. Innovation seemed to be the only one who doesn't pull SCV though. No he does. I specifically remember at least 3 games where he pulled SCVs in the midgame to win. Artosis described it as, knowing he was just far enough ahead to go for the killing blow. Nothing cheesy about it. Just goes to show what a little bit of good o'l caster bias does to a player's perception of a strategy. Innovation doesn't cheese, he does strategic timing attacks AKA "a player I like cheesing" Also didn't he 11/11 Soulkey in the last finals as well? Pretty hilarious fanboyism there. Innovation doesn't cheese, he uses exquisitely tuned timings to exploit the ebb and flow of the game and the weaknesses of his opponent in a game that rewards godlike play such as his Which is why he got owned by Maru He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP) This is such shit. Maru did not get this far by just cheesing. He dominated the hell out of Symbol in macro games and won through his group mostly on Macro games also. His only victory through cheesing was Innovation, and let's be honest here with how greedy Innovation played that series he fucking deserved what he got. Maru is being totally disregarded in this thread, his level of play is at the highest I've ever seen from the kid. His making it this far was no fluke and it definitely wasn't because he didn't deserve it. First of all, I didn't say he exclusively cheesed his way into the finals. I said it seems like he has nothing to offer in Terran vs Protoss compared to INnoVation - who is without argueing - the better Terran vs Protoss player. INnoVation also wasn't super greedy in the TvTs against Maru, but it seems like you would have to understand the game to know that. He made some questionable decisions that led to defeat and I never argued Maru didn't deserve it. All I'm saying is that Maru is nowhere near INnoVations level of Terran vs Protoss and I dare to say Terran #1 is INnoVation, you can disagree, you have every right to it, but one series doesn't show it.
that CC first on a 2-player map against a Prime Terran was absolutely dumb
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On August 10 2013 18:40 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:39 Mafab wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 VisonKai wrote:
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Tasteless says "piggyback".
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Maru cheeses. 7 gulps won't make you drunk though
7 of hard liquor, not wine or beer, is implied by "shots".
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On August 10 2013 18:40 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:39 Mafab wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 VisonKai wrote:
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Tasteless says "piggyback".
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Maru cheeses. 7 gulps won't make you drunk though
not even 7, like <2 now depending when you started
On August 10 2013 18:41 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:40 Undead1993 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:39 Mafab wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 VisonKai wrote:
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Tasteless says "piggyback".
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Maru cheeses. 7 gulps won't make you drunk though 7 of hard liquor, not wine or beer, is implied by "shots".
btw who takes shots of wine or beer unless their doing the 100 challenge lol
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On August 10 2013 18:41 Popkiller wrote:
hope we get to see Gwangalli Beach, such a ridiculous map
Lol, they made that into a map? I hope we see it too!
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United States33699 Posts
haha poor maru, rain going gate-robo-forge instead of gate-robo-gate-gate for the like the first time this OSL, just as he's gonna go for mien drops
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We could have a LR thread drinking game! Think of the times boys!
Protoss imba - Shot of Jaeger.
Terran Imba - Shot of some godforsaken cinamon liquor.
Zerg Imba -
Bitching about MsC- Take a sip
Bomber's law - Take a sip and a slap (4 minute break between posts)
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On August 10 2013 18:40 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 rd wrote:On August 10 2013 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:33 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:32 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:30 ssxsilver wrote:On August 10 2013 18:28 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:26 BongChambers wrote:On August 10 2013 18:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
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No he does.
I specifically remember at least 3 games where he pulled SCVs in the midgame to win.
Artosis described it as, knowing he was just far enough ahead to go for the killing blow. Nothing cheesy about it.
Just goes to show what a little bit of good o'l caster bias does to a player's perception of a strategy.
Innovation doesn't cheese, he does strategic timing attacks AKA "a player I like cheesing" Also didn't he 11/11 Soulkey in the last finals as well? Pretty hilarious fanboyism there. Innovation doesn't cheese, he uses exquisitely tuned timings to exploit the ebb and flow of the game and the weaknesses of his opponent in a game that rewards godlike play such as his Which is why he got owned by Maru He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP) This is such shit. Maru did not get this far by just cheesing. He dominated the hell out of Symbol in macro games and won through his group mostly on Macro games also. His only victory through cheesing was Innovation, and let's be honest here with how greedy Innovation played that series he fucking deserved what he got. Maru is being totally disregarded in this thread, his level of play is at the highest I've ever seen from the kid. His making it this far was no fluke and it definitely wasn't because he didn't deserve it. Rain was and is heavily favored for a reason. I'm not saying he isn't I know that. But it's one thing to praise Rain's play and another to bash Maru which is what Naruto and others are doing in this thread. I mean I get people are salty that he beat Innovation, but they can blame Innovation's greediness for that, don't blame Maru for doing what was working. If pointing out that INnoVation is outstanding Terran and Terran vs Protoss is Maru-bashing to you, I think you need to work on understanding other people. ... :x
He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP)
What you're doing is justifying Innovation's cheese tactics by saying he has a good standard game to fall back on with the implication being that Maru doesn't.
I can guarantee you, if we were watching Innovation vs Rain we'd also be seeing cheese builds from Innovation. Why? Because Rain is too fucking good if you try and just play him straight up, no Terran in their right mind wants to play him the way he's most comfortable if they actually want to beat him.
Supernova didn't, Bomber didn't, Maru isn't and Innovation wouldn't either. it has nothing to do with how good Maru isn't, it has everything to do with how good Rain is.
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On August 10 2013 18:41 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:40 Undead1993 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:39 Mafab wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 VisonKai wrote:
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Tasteless says "piggyback".
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Maru cheeses. 7 gulps won't make you drunk though 7 of hard liquor, not wine or beer, is implied by "shots".
i am aware of this fact! hahahah
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 10 2013 18:41 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:40 75 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Maru haven't shown anything worthy of the champion as of yet. he beat innovation 4-0.  Yeah in a series where innovations brain fucking imploded.
It's impossible that Maru was smarter, far more likely that Innovation inexplicably became bad for the duration of one series, yes?
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Austria24422 Posts
I'm feeling a 1/1 colossus all in
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Legend is SUCH a good observer actually. those zoom outs are so perfect
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On August 10 2013 18:42 Sabu113 wrote:
We could have a LR thread drinking game! Think of the times boys!
Protoss imba - Shot of Jaeger.
Terran Imba - Shot of some godforsaken cinamon liquor.
Zerg Imba -
Bitching about MsC- Take a sip
Bomber's law - Take a sip and a slap (4 minute break between posts)
it doesn't exist
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On August 10 2013 18:41 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:38 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:33 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:32 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:30 ssxsilver wrote:On August 10 2013 18:28 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:26 BongChambers wrote:On August 10 2013 18:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:23 RiZu wrote:
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Innovation seemed to be the only one who doesn't pull SCV though.
No he does. I specifically remember at least 3 games where he pulled SCVs in the midgame to win. Artosis described it as, knowing he was just far enough ahead to go for the killing blow. Nothing cheesy about it. Just goes to show what a little bit of good o'l caster bias does to a player's perception of a strategy. Innovation doesn't cheese, he does strategic timing attacks AKA "a player I like cheesing" Also didn't he 11/11 Soulkey in the last finals as well? Pretty hilarious fanboyism there. Innovation doesn't cheese, he uses exquisitely tuned timings to exploit the ebb and flow of the game and the weaknesses of his opponent in a game that rewards godlike play such as his Which is why he got owned by Maru He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP) This is such shit. Maru did not get this far by just cheesing. He dominated the hell out of Symbol in macro games and won through his group mostly on Macro games also. His only victory through cheesing was Innovation, and let's be honest here with how greedy Innovation played that series he fucking deserved what he got. Maru is being totally disregarded in this thread, his level of play is at the highest I've ever seen from the kid. His making it this far was no fluke and it definitely wasn't because he didn't deserve it. First of all, I didn't say he exclusively cheesed his way into the finals. I said it seems like he has nothing to offer in Terran vs Protoss compared to INnoVation - who is without argueing - the better Terran vs Protoss player. INnoVation also wasn't super greedy in the TvTs against Maru, but it seems like you would have to understand the game to know that. He made some questionable decisions that led to defeat and I never argued Maru didn't deserve it. All I'm saying is that Maru is nowhere near INnoVations level of Terran vs Protoss and I dare to say Terran #1 is INnoVation, you can disagree, you have every right to it, but one series doesn't show it. that CC first on a 2-player map against a Prime Terran was absolutely dumb
You can get double 11'd on any map. Its not a dumb choice to play such a thing. There are mindgames evolved etc. As I said, I feel it was a questionable decision (also cancelling the tank on belshir) but it doesnt make it a dumb decision. As said, the only thing I said is INnoVation is far better in TvP so I'm sad we didn't see that. I never bashed Maru and said he's terrible but simply below INnoVations TvP and Rains PvT
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burrowed the mine in range of cannon -.-
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On August 10 2013 18:42 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:40 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:37 rd wrote:On August 10 2013 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 18:33 NarutO wrote:On August 10 2013 18:32 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:30 ssxsilver wrote:On August 10 2013 18:28 Zealously wrote:On August 10 2013 18:26 BongChambers wrote:
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Innovation doesn't cheese, he does strategic timing attacks AKA "a player I like cheesing" Also didn't he 11/11 Soulkey in the last finals as well? Pretty hilarious fanboyism there. Innovation doesn't cheese, he uses exquisitely tuned timings to exploit the ebb and flow of the game and the weaknesses of his opponent in a game that rewards godlike play such as his Which is why he got owned by Maru He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP) This is such shit. Maru did not get this far by just cheesing. He dominated the hell out of Symbol in macro games and won through his group mostly on Macro games also. His only victory through cheesing was Innovation, and let's be honest here with how greedy Innovation played that series he fucking deserved what he got. Maru is being totally disregarded in this thread, his level of play is at the highest I've ever seen from the kid. His making it this far was no fluke and it definitely wasn't because he didn't deserve it. Rain was and is heavily favored for a reason. I'm not saying he isn't I know that. But it's one thing to praise Rain's play and another to bash Maru which is what Naruto and others are doing in this thread. I mean I get people are salty that he beat Innovation, but they can blame Innovation's greediness for that, don't blame Maru for doing what was working. If pointing out that INnoVation is outstanding Terran and Terran vs Protoss is Maru-bashing to you, I think you need to work on understanding other people. ... :x Show nested quote +
He does cheese from time to time, but he has more to offer than just that and seems like Maru has not (at least not TvP)
What you're doing is justifying Innovation's cheese tactics by saying he has a good standard game to fall back on with the implication being that Maru doesn't. I can guarantee you, if we were watching Innovation vs Rain we'd also be seeing cheese builds from Innovation. Why? Because Rain is too fucking good if you try and just play him straight up, no Terran in their right mind wants to play him the way he's most comfortable if they actually want to beat him. Supernova didn't, Bomber didn't, Maru isn't and Innovation wouldn't either. it has nothing to do with how good Maru isn't, it has everything to do with how good Rain is.
actually innovation beat rain in macro games in PL.
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Good map for terran at least. Not too hard to start dropping a toss to pieces.
edit: I meant the reference! Hence the slap!
Take a sip each time Taeja gets referred to by a pseudonym.
Take a sip each time you see Parting And soul in the same paragraph.
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All you need is a single cannon.
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