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On August 04 2013 03:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 03:07 Ammanas wrote:On August 04 2013 02:48 Muffloe wrote:On August 04 2013 02:00 Ammanas wrote:On August 04 2013 01:55 rift wrote:
i guess monk will have enough reason to keep bogus at #1 pr now
for anyone that watched, how was the crowd? why wouldnt he keep the best player in the world as #1? O_o crowd was good. The key word here is "clean-sweep" So what, one series doesn't mean he is no longer the best player in the world. It goes basically like this: -Soulkey is one level above everyone -Innovation is only one above Soulkey Therefore #1 and #2 right there. And it is actually not arguable, from the games and the sheer dominance they are showing in 2 hardest league in all Starcraft (so WCS KR and Proleague), there is no one and I mean no one better then them. Yes, I don't really like it, since I don't like Innovation's style too much, but there is no way around it. I will agree that Innovation is still the clear #1, but Soulkey is by no means a level above everyone else. He's insanely good, naturally, but #2, #3, #4, #5 for me are actually hotly contested and not completely clear-cut.
Rain is 2 or 3 imo
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Was it the SPL finals that we wanted or some really stupid mindgames that we hate watching?
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On August 04 2013 03:50 IntoTheheart wrote:
Was it the SPL finals that we wanted or some really stupid mindgames that we hate watching?
just look at recommended games,...
was a good series, sick game 5
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That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 04 2013 03:50 IntoTheheart wrote:
Was it the SPL finals that we wanted or some really stupid mindgames that we hate watching?
Most of us really enjoyed games 2, something and 5. Those 3 in particular were really good. The others had their moments but weren't on the same level. All in all, I'd consider it one of the three best matches of the season.
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IMO SK is fairly clear-cut as the best zerg. Just Innovation really has his number in TvZ. Think SK should be a shoe-in as #2 or #3 top players.
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On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope!
On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation?
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On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation?
Yeah, I would have to agree that the problem is more, you're not going to practice with anyone that plays like Innovation so each time they face it's a completely new obstacle. You can only resume from replay so much to practice. XD
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On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation?
SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.
I think Flash has a different style than Innovation. I believe he said it sometime back.
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On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.
Flash has monster TvZ. He's 17-2 since losing to Life in MLG finals. And he had played Hots 2 days for that tournament.
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Poland3752 Posts
On August 04 2013 03:39 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 03:20 Zealously wrote:On August 04 2013 03:07 Ammanas wrote:On August 04 2013 02:48 Muffloe wrote:On August 04 2013 02:00 Ammanas wrote:On August 04 2013 01:55 rift wrote:
i guess monk will have enough reason to keep bogus at #1 pr now
for anyone that watched, how was the crowd? why wouldnt he keep the best player in the world as #1? O_o crowd was good. The key word here is "clean-sweep" So what, one series doesn't mean he is no longer the best player in the world. It goes basically like this: -Soulkey is one level above everyone -Innovation is only one above Soulkey Therefore #1 and #2 right there. And it is actually not arguable, from the games and the sheer dominance they are showing in 2 hardest league in all Starcraft (so WCS KR and Proleague), there is no one and I mean no one better then them. Yes, I don't really like it, since I don't like Innovation's style too much, but there is no way around it. I will agree that Innovation is still the clear #1, but Soulkey is by no means a level above everyone else. He's insanely good, naturally, but #2, #3, #4, #5 for me are actually hotly contested and not completely clear-cut. Rain is 2 or 3 imo
After beating Symbol and Inno I guess Maru should into top5
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Poland3752 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.
In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?)
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TLADT24920 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:39 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good. In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?)
There are custom maps where you can focus on only macro or micro so he can use those.
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On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.
He's just not as greedy.
I can't believe I'm saying this myself.
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On August 04 2013 04:47 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:39 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good. In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?) There are custom maps where you can focus on only macro or micro so he can use those.
I think he implies BoxeR was playing 1v2.
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Soulkey says it was MMA who helped him prepare for the WCS KR finals by trying to imitate Innovation.
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your Country52797 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:52 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:47 BigFan wrote:On August 04 2013 04:39 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope! On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation? SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good. In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?) There are custom maps where you can focus on only macro or micro so he can use those. I think he implies BoxeR was playing 1v2.
no, bigfan is right.
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Flash has a similar style to Inno in TvZ but Inno's micro is superior.
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